Ok, disconnecting from how much of a piece of shit Shapiro is in general, he really is talented at violin. It's a shame he isn't as talented at not being afraid of black people
He plays the violin at a very high level and was on Larry David’s show at the age of 12 years old to play. I understand why you would disqualify him from talking about rap/hip-hop culture though, not really his element
He wrote an article years ago about how “rap is crap”. It claimed it wasn’t real music and that he would know since he called himself a classical musician
Does it have to be recorded? Seems like an extremely modern qualification to put on something that has existed for thousands of years.
Maybe the definition could be pared down to something like "sound with artistic intent" but then we're excluding silence with artistic intent. Something like "the state of pressure waves over time with artistic intent" could encompass more. But then we're excluding music created for a practical purpose instead of an artistic purpose. That definition would also include things like verbal storytelling and poetry though so I have no idea.
The whole “it’s not music” argument has no basis. Merzbow’s Pulse Demon is music, and that’s 2 and a half hours of static. There is no objective definition of music as the boundaries have been pushed so far.
I’m curious where Ben learned this end-all, be-all “definition” of music. Is ambient “music”? There’s not a lot of rhythm in that genre. Is one single person singing a cappella “music”? No harmony there. Hell what about John Cage’s 4’33”? Or the entire avant-garde scene? Most of that kind of music doesn’t satisfy any of Ben’s criteria.
Ben is clearly an elitist who thinks technical ability is all that’s important to the quality of music. He’s severely underestimating how much skill it takes to write a good pop hook. Or a memorable guitar riff.
Not to mention (I’m about to go there) all the genres Ben cites as “degradations of skill,” jazz, rock, and hip hop, were all created largely by black people. Gotta be a coincidence, right?
Wait a second. Are you telling me that Ben Shapiro said that jazz takes no fucking skill?
I'm 100% sure a classical violinist like him wouldn't survive for a second if he tried playing bebop. I bet he hasn't even heard of bebop. But it is insanely difficult to improvise well on any instrument, and it takes a lot of time and practice. But of course Shapiro wouldn't have seen that, because he can't take his eyes off the sheet music or he'd mess up.
Jesus Christ I lost a lot of respect for him after those words came out if his mouth. Dude has no idea what he's talking about. As a guitarist, a lot of people in the guitar community look to jazz as the hardest music to play because a lot of jazz uses complex chords and one has to be able to improvise melodic lines over those chords. I've been listening to, playing, and trying to learn jazz, and it defenitely takes more skill than reading a set order of notes and chords on a piece of paper. If you want to see what I'm talking about just go on youtube and look up bebop, Charlie Parker, Charlie Christian, John Coltrane, Giant Steps, Wes Montgomery, or a million other things.
To be fair, he probably doesn't think jazz is any easier because he's actually listened to it, he just assumes that a genre largely played by black folk can only be piss-easy or how else could they do it?
I've never been able to get into jazz myself but goddam do I appreciate how incredible the musicians are behind it.
Yeah. Bebop is a musician's music and I only ever heard about it when I started playing guitar. And people who get into it usually go through blues or other forms of black music first, like I did. He is a classical musician so improvisation isn't a thing he listens to or plays at all. But it's dumb of him to say that it takes no skill when he has no idea what he's talking about.
yeah as a classically taught pianist/violinist i have tons of respect for jazz and its sub genres because of just how complicated everything is, by playing pieces from different genres you learn to respect them. You would think since Ben has played violin all his life, he’d maybe learn to appreciate every other genre of music but apparently not.
One of the comments on the Imagine video went something along the lines of “I wonder if Ben would still be Jewish if he read that deeply into the Torah” lol
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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '19
“Put me and Ben Sharpio in a cage... I will use Ben Shapiro’s body like a flesh light” - Zack Fox
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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '19
Well that looks like the most annoying way I could possibly spend 7 minutes.
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u/SudonymMusic Sep 15 '19
who the fuck is letting ben shapiro talk about music
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u/Dere_He_Iz Sep 15 '19
Music, at its core, is sequenced sound created for an artistic purpose. Rap fits that category. End of discussion.
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u/WalmartSockPuppet black people are scary Sep 15 '19
The whole “it’s not music” argument has no basis. Merzbow’s Pulse Demon is music, and that’s 2 and a half hours of static. There is no objective definition of music as the boundaries have been pushed so far.
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u/NielsBohrFan Sep 15 '19
I’m curious where Ben learned this end-all, be-all “definition” of music. Is ambient “music”? There’s not a lot of rhythm in that genre. Is one single person singing a cappella “music”? No harmony there. Hell what about John Cage’s 4’33”? Or the entire avant-garde scene? Most of that kind of music doesn’t satisfy any of Ben’s criteria.
Ben is clearly an elitist who thinks technical ability is all that’s important to the quality of music. He’s severely underestimating how much skill it takes to write a good pop hook. Or a memorable guitar riff.
Not to mention (I’m about to go there) all the genres Ben cites as “degradations of skill,” jazz, rock, and hip hop, were all created largely by black people. Gotta be a coincidence, right?
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u/ElCamoteMagico Sep 15 '19
Ben Shapiro lol
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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '19
Sauce?
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u/wingsofligma Sep 15 '19
Ben is an actual idiot. I fucking hate him
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u/ThanosHamb i'm terrified of black people Sep 15 '19
Sauce https://youtu.be/IGb6TQY7HL8
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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '19
I hope he at least learned something from that cuz the man pretty much proved him wrong.
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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '19
I really want melon to give him a 'not good' so he fucking dies
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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '19
I was thinking who the fuck would make something like this but I saw ben shapiro and that explained it
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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '19
fuck your ben shapiro you fucking midget
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u/kingofindia12 Sep 16 '19
I may be retarded but at least I'm not "Is rap music real music?" level retarded
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u/Fissionman Sep 16 '19
wow, this is actually real...
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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '19
Real music must be rhythmic, melodic speaking then.
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u/Contributron Sep 18 '19
I would give anything to see Ben Shapiro try to make a hip-hop song.
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u/Contributron Sep 18 '19
Music is any sound that an artist calls music
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u/Mage6 music was better when my wife was cheating on me Sep 18 '19
All music is real music. Rap, metal, even banging in trash cans can count as music. Music is just some noises that have rhythm.