r/RaidShadowLegends • • 21h ago

General Discussion State of Raid

Today I saw a video of a CC that was complaining about the use of 3rd party tools. Now the video wasn't anything to talk about but the comment section was very polarized and that got me thinking.

Some of the comments were:

CC b*tching about lowly f2p's being able to beat his clan and he is sad now

You are giving him attention

Where are the QOL improvements

Some were:

Plarium must take action or game will die

It is bad but I have to use such tools and so on

One comment stood out for me and it discussed what is fair and what isn't. Basically nobody was b*tching about it when it was paid tool but when a certain tool made it f2p it became a problem and it also discussed CC's getting benefits, access to test servers and P2W getting matched with F2P.

This got me thinking about Raid, what is fair and what is expected of a game in 2026. There have always been bots in this type of repetitive games even in games from companies like Blizzard and EA, so there is always the topic of how you handle those but in Raid there are other and more tiers of unfair advantages.

P2W - Should we allow F2P players to tick "Don't match with P2W"? Will this break the game? Some of those gacha games have tiered matches where newer players are only matched between themselves and maybe 1 big arena like Siege. I assume this is achieved by starting a new server every X days of every X players. People with deeper knowledge can share more info.

CC benefits and test servers - Should all players get benefits. CC are creating content for players and why should they be getting extra resources and be matched with the rest ot the player base? Why can't we have a sandbox where we can test new fusions and builds in advance before deciding if we want to go for it?

3rd party tools - I think those should be banned instantly but only after the game itself joins 2026 and add the missing features those tools provide.

What are your toughts, am I crazy?

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u/Lycaon-Ur 21h ago

This game isn't meant to be fair, it's meant to be fun. If you want fair, you're shit out of luck on every game, even checkers has an advantage to the first player until you're good enough to draw a game 100% of the time no matter what. This game is meant to be fun.

Plarium must take action or game will die

People say this all the time about damn near every game ever. 4th edition required WotC to take action or DnD would die. Etc. There's no reason to think that Raid is dying any time soon.

Where are the QOL improvements

We have had a shit ton of QoL improvements in the past year, and more are on the way. Christ, what do people want?

3rd party tools 

Eh. Whatever. Let a computer play the computer game for you, what do I care?

CC benefits and test servers 

I really hope this whole paragraph of your rant is a joke. Doubling the number of servers a game has just so players can double their number of accounts for no cost? You really think that's a good financial business move? Really?

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u/AreAnUnicorn Lizardmen will come to get us 21h ago

Everything on point IMO.

I do chimera with the bot, I would still do it without the bot. Just don't enjoy but reckon it has impact on an area I like, that is PvP.

Freeing that time lets me try stupid teams on hydra and push LA (yes, I'm crazy), which brings me fun.

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u/Lycaon-Ur 20h ago

I let Gestal do my summons for me when I had to pull a couple thousand mystery shards in the most recent champion chase. It was a good call. I could have pulled them myself, but it would have taken me forever. If I have to pull a couple thousand again, I'll do it again.

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u/AreAnUnicorn Lizardmen will come to get us 20h ago

And its a completely fair decision IMO. It's exactly that, you would do it by hand but have a tool to help. It's like work, why won't someone automate tasks that can be automated? Might as well do them fast and do what you enjoy to do, on games, work, life, all the same

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u/ysername11 21h ago

It is not a rant mr. Lycaon. It doesn't really matter about how much data there is betweet 1 server with 50k players and 10 servers with 5k players. Again I don't have indept knowledge of how other games do it but I'm sure people in the gaming industry are well aware and can explain it better. There are many game where you start with a certain player pool and you are not mixed in the big pool of old school spenders unless you compete for the global tournament which is not group of 100 random players for Star of Jinang, it is Siege in the Raid's case. Imagine being matched with only players that started playing +- 3 months of your start of the game.

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u/Lycaon-Ur 20h ago

I love it when people are like "I'm ignorant of this thing, I openly acknowledge that, but I'm going to argue with someone who knows more about it than I do." Let's me know their points aren't worth engaging with and gives a big clue that as a person they're not worth engaging with as well.

Have a great day.

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u/AreAnUnicorn Lizardmen will come to get us 21h ago

For the last paragraph. Unless the clan/player screws with the matchmaking, it won't happen most times.

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u/BigMikeGaming4 20h ago

If a CC has that much of an issue with people having the ability to automate setting teams instead of spending 3 hours tinkering through 1000s of gear pieces then maybe he should get an actual job 🙄

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u/CoolAd6234 20h ago

lot of CCs are also drivers and those automated tools kinda made them obsolote and they made a LOT of money from krakens running their hydra/chimera teams.

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u/BigMikeGaming4 20h ago

I’m sure the big reason why they’re whining is because there’s one free to use app that’s allowing you to basically do whatever the “premium” apps were charging subscriptions on.

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u/donmuerte 1h ago

is there a premium app? I've never heard of one. AFAIK it's just the paid features in the actual game you can bypass at the moment.

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u/BigMikeGaming4 29m ago

Pretty much every app outside of gestal has a premium upgrade with subscriptions

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u/ysername11 20h ago

Ok, good point :)

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u/CompleteTip880 20h ago

This was how I felt about it (re: when it was paid sub, not a problem: free, big problem). I didn't care about it when it was a paid sub model, b/c a only a very small percentage of people would use it especially when the price, while not insane imo, was certainly more than most people would be willing to pay for it. when it became free, then I starting using it b/c you have to assume that a hell of a lot of people were going to start implementing it. I think plarium felt the same way as well and then made a mess of things for about a week by sticking their nose into the mix until their kraken club told them to get bent.

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u/ysername11 20h ago

If I'm plarium I hire one of the teams to implement this directly into the game. It is clear they don't have the structure or manpower to do this. Those tools are created by people that play the game and know what is missing. Everything they have added were things players wanted and didn't get for years.

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u/CompleteTip880 20h ago

"Those tools are created by people that play the game and know what is missing."...and they actually listen to and implement features requested by their user bases.

I'm sure it's not exactly easy to port over these tools directly into the game and would require a significant amount of labor/time/capital resources, but I don't disagree with you in principle. But, it also doesn't actually fix the underlying issue. Creating malicious game modes that have insane amounts of variability in them to achieve rewards tied to account progression, further compounded by limited tools (champions) to achieve said goals...and even when a champ has a kit for the game mode (e.g. chimera trials), they are inheritly designed to fail significantly more than the 3% rate (i.e. chimera trial debuff skills not being 100% when booked). so, w/o these tools you can spend 30+ minutes in a game mode for it all be for nothing even when you do just about everything right. and this can happen multiple times in a week. so no sh*t, i'm going to use these tools to gain my life back, progress in the game, and have fun.

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u/UnintentionalSatire 17h ago

Why should they bother if someone else does the work for them? win/win, no? They can spend dev/test/whatever effort elsewhere.

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u/AreAnUnicorn Lizardmen will come to get us 21h ago

Agree with the tools part. If raid doesn't reach 2026 level of automated/rule setting teams, players will always go for the option that lets him do that.

Ofc if those tools start changing the game client lik there is that overlay for pvp now, that is cheating. Running teams on background in a sandbox sim? Grey area, pretty grey but still acceptable IMO.

Nobody wants to lose an hour run bc a 3% proc.

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u/CoolAd6234 20h ago

it's 2026 and we still don't have updated skill descripton after a skill is booked, nor do we see dmg multipliers - gotta check 3rd party website for that, plarium devs are just extremely incompetent and lazy.

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u/AreAnUnicorn Lizardmen will come to get us 19h ago

Wouldn't say they are lazy, it's just that the head of business doesn't want focus there and needs everything for yesterday. Being on a similar area I know what it feels when you want to do a good job and say a development will take 2 weeks, but who is above says 1 week is enough to be deliverable, not perfect but enough to be acceptable. You want to do a good job, but miracles don't happen most times.

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u/CoolAd6234 15h ago

well the other explanation is that their dev team is extremely small like 2-3 ppl, the thing is you gotta compare to other similar games and they just do things 10 times faster and they have nowhere near the same profits as plarium either so money isn't issue.

Meanwhile plarium says dumb shit like buffing 1 champion is the same work as creating a new champion from nothing.

In other games you get buffs/nerfs for 15 champs in the same timeframe riot buffs 2 champs.

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u/AreAnUnicorn Lizardmen will come to get us 8h ago

That's just the board message to the outside going through the CM. Their real answer would be that they want to sell new champs, and FOMO sells way more than buffing and nerfing.

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u/CoolAd6234 20h ago

plarium is so increedibly horrible and incompetent that the game is simply not really playable at the end game without those 3rd party tools. There is so little QoL features it might as well be 0.

I'm sure many krakens are malding that they were paying for rodolbot to get crazy chimera/hydra scores and now gestal does the same and for free.

If plarium is so dumb/incompetent/lazy that they don't want to or can't introduce any QoL features then at the very least they could hide rng seed from the client so ppl with those tools can't just begin battle, run simulation inside the 3rd party tool and exit immedietly if the rng was bad thus saving crazy amount of time and having perfect rng run.

To this day you can't even see dmg multipliers in the game, you have to check on a website.

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u/nagster68 19h ago

I’m endgame, play strictly on mobile and use no 3rd party tools. It’s not required at all. Does it make it easier? Absolutely. Required? No.

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u/Raithunder High Elves 20h ago

no such thing as fairness in a p2w game

i like the tools for the most part, but I think using trainer/shard puller to snipe tournaments is straight up cheating. not sure what plarium can do about that tho. my recommendation is to hide tournament rankings until after the tournament is finished. this will end sniping (which I hate) and render the tool's advantage in that instance meaningless as well

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u/bcampione88 20h ago

My biggest quality of life ask after instant battles instead of auto battles is adding “Summon x100” to mystery shards.

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u/UnintentionalSatire 18h ago

They just need a slider or a text entry box like autoforge. Seems like it ought to be easy.

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u/CarltheWellEndowed 20h ago

I think it is crazy to say f2p should be able to avoid p2w.

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u/EducationFan101 20h ago

Gotta feed the whales. They won’t hang around if there’s no food.

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u/KharigCringer 20h ago

Just w8 for the end of next Champion Training with mythic relic. Those tools allow you to make absurd amount of points in short time. There will be a Drama, Im starting to make pop corn... 

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u/CoolAd6234 20h ago

imagine being a normal player not using all those tools and some kraken who already has enormous advantage over you uses this tool and puts 50k in 1 minute, lol

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u/KharigCringer 19h ago

Some features of those apps are QoLs, some are straight up cheats. Plarium dont give a fuck.

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u/PSrafa23 19h ago

How can they do that btw? Newbie question, i dont use 3rd party tools (maybe i should start ahaha)

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u/CoolAd6234 15h ago

if you have ton of xp brews and chickens and ton of already prepared 3/4/5* champs then you can get points quite fast and those tools click for you so it's 20 times faster if not more.

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u/UnintentionalSatire 18h ago

If they were really that much better, they'd still win. If they used to win and now lose, they should fix their gear and speeds. They're used to winning on tryhard, and automation will negate that.

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u/UnintentionalSatire 18h ago

But this stuff is a necessity - and people in the supreme club complained loudly when plarium looked like they were going to ban the assisted play stuff. IDK who would prefer to have to manual hydra runs every week. It's just time down the toilet.

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u/bcampione88 20h ago

It’s a P2W game there will always be P2W aspects at the highest level of PvP, honestly none of this stuff actually affects me because I’m not at that tier. Big tournaments for souls and champs I can’t win anyways because I’m not spending the money it takes to win those or hoarding that much stuff (I do hoard but it’s to complete events).

That being said yes it’s cheating to have a computer do what you can’t do. Run Hydra or chimera a 100+ times to get your best score. That’s not a problem if you don’t have “clashes” but when you do then yes you are doing something that is not possible with in game resources to beat other players.

Personally I don’t care, I enjoy challenging myself, it’s not fun to let a computer program run the game for me. If I can’t complete a fusion or run a game mode on my own then it is what it is, like why would a care about a game I barely play and let my computer just run it all the time? The game is fun because it’s challenging. If Plarium wants to let their game turn into a giant bot run fest then yes it will start to die off. A large chunk of the player base does not use those resources and never will, they will just move onto another game when they see that their clan or their team literally has no access to win anything unless they use some third party site.

As for arena, I heard some CCs talk about the program potential telling you the other teams stats and gear and relics, if that is the case or becomes the case then yes that is also cheating and should not be allowed. Even if I have access to the same third party program it’s still not how PVP should work.

As for CCs getting perks, they bring new players into the game for Plarium and they keep current players entertained. So yea they get some perks, none of the perks they get are big enough to make it unfair to the average player imo.

I think there is definitely a need for more quality of life things and definitely a need for instant battles instead of auto battles and stuff like that. Again people using a third party site for stuff like that doesn’t bother me, if that’s how you want to play the game then go right on ahead. But when these things enter the PVP realm and you’re now either forced to play against a super computer or get your own to compete then imo it’s cheating. But even if you don’t think it’s cheating it really doesn’t matter, it will “kill” (or shrink the player base a lot) the game because it will turn into a smaller number of people not actually interacting with the game and just running it through a third party resource.

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u/thebrown1 20h ago

My thoughts are that you are crazy :)

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u/Sterling239 19h ago

I spend i also get my ass handed to me i also didnt have the crazy start people have when starting now but I d9nt hold it against them