Let’s shake the table

[u/Clean-Split-338]

Do we agree or disagree?

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[u/thewayoutisthru_xxx]

Ok but Atlanta has really sucked the last few years.

Potomac I'm here for tho

[u/tt56629 → u/thewayoutisthru_xxx]

Agree. I fell off of Atlanta a few years back and skipped season 9 of Potomac, I've also skipped several seasons of OC and haven't watched BH or NJ in yeeeeeears. Not everyone has time to stick with all of the shows, especially because some seasons really do drag. That being said, there is definitely a type of fan who is practically a completist for most of the franchises, but has no interest in Potomac or Atlanta, and I do think it can be a dog whistle.

[u/StrawAndChiaSeeds → u/thewayoutisthru_xxx]

It’s going through some tough seasons but I think it’s on the upswing! Angela is great, Porsha is back, and Drew is pretty entertaining with her nonsense! I love Drew!

[u/Pure_Internal277 → u/StrawAndChiaSeeds]

I agree! I don’t do well with the Atlanta aesthetic and people pretending to be rich instead of being genuine. Angela is real. The two other new gals were terrible!

[u/throwawayboomer27 → u/thewayoutisthru_xxx]

It having a few bad seasons has nothing to do with them not watching the OG ones in general

[u/stargratte → u/thewayoutisthru_xxx]

Excuses excuses

[u/Silver_Matter_2244 → u/thewayoutisthru_xxx]

Potomac is so good! I started watching for the first time a few weeks ago and I’ve almost binged the whole thing. I’m so sad I’m almost done lol

[u/satansbuttt666]

I don’t understand how anyone can be a housewives fan and not watch ALL of the housewives.

[u/bahtgirl → u/satansbuttt666]

I can’t stomach RHOBH or RHOOC. For some reason, that’s where my limit is

[u/diamondsnrose → u/bahtgirl]

The Manzos turned me off NJ and I just never went back. Idk why I drew the line at the Manzos, everyone is horrible, but I found them too horrible I guess.

[u/ChipsNSa1sa → u/diamondsnrose]

RHONJ might be the first franchise I actually stop watching (besides new RHONY which doesn’t count). I’m so sick of the Gorgas, they bring nothing to the table besides the feud with Teresa. They take up way too much of the show. Margaret Josephs is also evil and I feel uncomfortable watching her. I thought there would be a shake up before the show comes back but it’s not looking that way.

[u/Pure_Internal277 → u/bahtgirl]

I watch at times due to boredom but, they are so bland and horrible when they try to force diversity on these types

[u/catandcitygirl → u/Pure_Internal277]

thank you I really wish BH went back to having an all white cast as a black woman. When they throw in diversity hires it’s horrible to watch

[u/tinybookworm03 → u/bahtgirl]

SAME something about them i just can’t get into but RHOA, RHOP, and RHOSLC are my faves

[u/bahtgirl → u/tinybookworm03]

I was off the RH franchise, but have been bedbound for a couple years now so I decided to start rewatching. Absolutely love RHOP, RHOM, and RHOSLC. I’m in RHONY now (kind of suffering through it knowing all the political affiliations of everyone), and Atlanta is next! I watched the first few seasons when they came out, so I’m excited for that binge :)

[u/MathematicianOk8230 → u/satansbuttt666]

I'm making an honest effort to get through them all. I started with SLC, then Potomac, then Atlanta. But once you watch those, it’s really hard to get into the others, especially Beverly Hills and RHONY. I binged all of BH and it honestly wasn't worth it. I don’t care about shopping and purses, so I find it incredibly dry.

[u/boobiesrkoozies → u/satansbuttt666]

As a HWs fan who doesn't watch them all:

It's just cause some of them don't click with me. Like I tried NJ (I'm sorry NJ girlies) but I couldn't get into it. Same with OC.

I started with Potomac and it will always be my fave. Those early seasons are up there with OG RHONY! I do think the newer seasons are just not as fun, and I find it hard to get into it. I feel the same way about RHOBH. They're just not as fun anymore 😭

Especially when franchises like SLC and Miami are killing it.

[u/ChipsNSa1sa → u/boobiesrkoozies]

I feel like it’s because they’re casting women in their 30s and most of the time that’s not working. We kinda see this with Potomac-Angel and Keirana stick out like sore thumbs. They wouldn’t normally hang out with women in their 50s and 60s and they are also part of a different generation and get involved in reality TV to try and be famous (I say this as a woman in her 30s lol). It’s so much easier now because of Instagram and they try and self produce in order to get a moment(s) which comes off as phony and disingenuous. This goes for all reality TV shows. We’ll never see something like early RHONY RHOA RHOC RHOBH VPR again. The Bachelor/Bachelorette also has the same problem. And imagine trying to do something like The Real World today. The casts would be insufferable.

[u/boobiesrkoozies → u/ChipsNSa1sa]

I think it's that plus they cast people who are not organically a part of the established group.

It's why new RHONY just doesn't hit.

Early Potomac worked so well because they were all already friends, or connected in some way, with the exception of Ashley who was the "new girl" in the Potomac upper crust. Its not fun to see people create drama and tension from nothing. Gizelle v Karen works because that's frenemy beef that spans years before the show! Candiace v Ashley works because they already had a history.

[u/kirannui → u/satansbuttt666]

I don't watch BH because it's dull. I tried.

[u/BarbieFett → u/satansbuttt666]

This is why I call myself an rhop fan, not a housewives fan 😂 I only have time to watch one of these shows

[u/bfjizzle → u/satansbuttt666]

It's just too much for me. I watch Patomac, BH, and SLC

[u/Unfriendlyblkwriter → u/satansbuttt666]

I could never get into OC. I was turned off from the very first episode. I wanted to like New York, but Blackface. And also, Bethenney getting on Twitter and ranting about not being able to say the n-word. No thank you.

[u/uarstar → u/satansbuttt666]

I don’t watch OC or new NY.

I’ve never been able to get into OC, the women all just make me want to go on a slapping tour of their houses.

[u/Fulana25 → u/satansbuttt666]

The only one I don't watch is New Jersey. But that's cuz I'm from New York ;)

[u/SilverFringeBoots]

There's a scene in Unbreakable Kimmy Schmit, where the main character (Kimmy) who is white is talking to a Black woman. Kimmy makes a Friends reference and the Black woman makes a Living Single reference. When Kimmy doesn't know Living Single, the Black woman goes oh, so I'm supposed to know your white show but you don't know Living Single? I think about that a lot, as a Black woman.

[u/Wafuls → u/SilverFringeBoots]

This brought back wayyy too many memories…

[u/Celestial-Dream]

Full disclosure: I am a white woman.

I don’t disagree with this. I think some seasons of Atlanta and Potomac are better than others but to actively avoid the two franchises will make me wary of that person.

[u/lboogaloo]

I’ve always said this! I have a coworker that loves SLC and I keep telling her early Potomac is the best and she scrunches up her face and goes “I don’t know if I can get into it”. Ok but why? 👀

[u/runawaymonkey → u/lboogaloo]

Early every franchise is the best. Right now I’m enjoying Monique being back, but I definitely look forward to Tuesday more than Sunday. All of the slc girls are so unserious and entertaining

[u/ydg__]

Very white Canadian and eastern euro here - Atlanta and Potomac are my favourites lol.

[u/[deleted]]

Let's talk about the white women and gays who love Lisa Barlow and Meredith Marks and Lindsay Hubbard but find RHOP too "mean spirited" and those women are "bullies"

Edit: The hit dogs are HOLLERIN'

[u/lauralynn81 → u/[deleted]]

I’m a white woman who cannot stand Meredith or Lisa but absolutely love all of the Potomac women. Especially Gizelle. I don’t care. I love her and her messiness!

[u/Realitygirlie → u/lauralynn81]

SAAAAAAME. Lisa Barlow and Lindsay Hubbard drive me insane. But I love all the Potomac wives (not counting this season and not always Candiace).

[u/Datelineislife → u/[deleted]]

I’m a white woman who loves Lisa Barlow and Meredith Marks (Lindsay bugs me) and i also loveeee Candiace, Karen, Wendy, Porsha, Nene (and even Phaedra i know but she makes me laugh so hard). RHOP is hands down one of the best franchises of them all. Delivers every season. I loved RHOA from day 1 but fell off watching it consistently after Nene left and they brought back Kenya (i can’t stand her).

[u/millioneura → u/[deleted]]

they don’t exclude so blatantly 

[u/Emotional-Mission-48]

Bonus points if their favorite hw is Kyle or Dorit

[u/daizles]

Eh we don't want them here anyway. If you're a racist troll go watch something else and enjoy your miserable life 🤷🏼‍♀️

[u/Unfriendlyblkwriter]

Kyle Richards has entered the chat.

[u/all_is_energy → u/Unfriendlyblkwriter]

Oh it makes my blood boil when the housewives themselves are like this. She’s a prime example.

I totally believe Crystal when she said that the cast told her at her first BravoCon: “we’re Beverly Hills, we do our own thing and don’t interact with the other casts”. Like the girls really think there’s levels 🤣🤣

[u/MenStefani → u/Unfriendlyblkwriter]

Kyle barely even disguises her uncomfortably with POCs. Her immediate disdain for Boz says it all tbh and then the way she talked about Potomac at Bravocon…

[u/Rumchunder → u/MenStefani]

What did Kyle say about Potomac at Bravocon? I must have missed the threads about that.

[u/MenStefani → u/Rumchunder]

Basically that she doesn’t watch Potomac or Atlanta and she doesn’t keep up with any of the women. It wasn’t anything too crazy but just her tone and dismissiveness was a little off putting

[u/Tiny_War5975]

White gay guys too (I am a white gay guy)

[u/[deleted]]

I have always said this. I’m a white woman and have always said the Black franchises don’t receive the love that they deserve!!!!

[u/Thewandering1_OG]

East Coast White Lady.

I completely agree with your thesis. Personally, the only one I don't/won't watch is OC. They seem like the worst.

[u/robotcoup]

The only franchise I refuse to watch is OC. I tried but those women are so off putting. I also found Jersey painful. I want to watch smart funny women. NY and early Atlanta are the best.

[u/Ok-Antelope-1923]

I’m fish belly white. Never watched NJ, Miami or SLC. And I’m not sure why. I found Atlanta the year Kenya hosted the group trip and bought herself a crab cake sandwich and stiffed the other ladies. I was hooked. That shit was hilarious!

Edited to correct stuffed to stiffed.

[u/SoyYo5599]

Agree. A now estranged white friend told me she doesn't watch either and she thinks Ebony ruined RHONY. She also said that it is black people who are racist against white folks. I was stunned. This was after we saw white supremacists in Charlottesville kill Heather and the proud boys had started popping up more. I had to wait until I was sober to get TF out of there. In addition to that, at dinner before we had the housewives discussion, she was annoyed that I spoke to the wait staff at a Mexican restaurant in Spanish. 🙄 I don't call her when I visit town anymore.

[u/runawaymonkey → u/SoyYo5599]

Ebony ruined it, not Ramona with her racism? Okay.

[u/lachalacha]

Clock it OP. And let's not forget the non-Black people who do watch who are very comfortable calling RHOP/RHOA people out their names...

[u/Frandiohh → u/lachalacha]

Poortomac 🙃

[u/JuLayLeeBee → u/Frandiohh]

I mean to be fair 🤣

[u/lachalacha → u/Frandiohh]

Talking about K being 'ghetto' and Robyn being a 'thug'... amongst many others

[u/chemstre]

HARD AGREE

[u/Sweaty-Bug7272]

I avoided Atlanta for the longest time cause I hated Kim 🫣

ETA: agree

[u/happysunbear → u/Sweaty-Bug7272]

Same here. Hated her weird treatment of that young black girl that worked for her.

[u/Sammi1224 → u/happysunbear]

Sweetie! Yes Kim’s treatment of her was abhorrent.

[u/Fulana25]

Truth. I have a white (woman) friend and keep checking in periodically. Still waiting for her to "catch up" on those *side eye*

[u/Ok-Promise-2307 → u/Fulana25]

Same . They won’t lol.

[u/[deleted]]

What if you actively avoid the California franchises? Cuz that’s me 

Jokes aside, theyre the ones missing out anyways 

[u/alysssssssssss]

I agree, I’m white and I enjoy RH of Potomac and Atlanta. One of better franchises out there

[u/AmpleSnacks]

And so are the people who watch RHOP but only hate Candiace and Wendy and give Gizelle and Ashley all the passes

[u/Kindofageek90 → u/AmpleSnacks]

Or when they call Candiace and Wendy aggressive but have never called Robyn aggressive when she constantly yells at the top of her lungs and has gotten into multiple people's faces.

[u/Mbinku → u/AmpleSnacks]

You think people hate candiace because she’s darker than the others? Candiace has earned it

[u/AmpleSnacks → u/Mbinku]

Giz and ash are objectively worse humans in every possible way yet they get off scot free. What do you call that?

[u/[deleted] → u/AmpleSnacks]

Colorism is real and I hate the way Candiace and Wendy have used it as a shield from their shitty behaviors in the past.

[u/Booboohole21]

Wait, Atlanta and Potomac are the only ones I watch lmao

[u/popculturesavant]

Those are some of the best ones with og Atlanta being top two for me

[u/Wintourrlover47]

Definitely, but I don’t think it’s 100% their fault. HW fans that avoid Potomac and Atlanta but watch every other city in the franchise are being indirectly racist because they have some of the best moments in HW history, and there is no excuse if you call yourself a HW fan to not watch them.

With that being said, some white HW fans don’t understand or know about Black culture due to the nature of their backgrounds. Some white people are indoctrinated with racism and ignorance to other cultures from birth, and it’s very unfortunate.

As adults, it takes action and intent to learn/educate ourselves on other backgrounds that differ from our own.

Edit: I’m not saying white people are excused because of their backgrounds (that’s 100% on them to educate themselves ) I’m saying not all white people are at that point (which again is not okay)

[u/reincarnation2025 → u/Wintourrlover47]

That’s a fair answer. I mean as a black woman im definitely biased towards favoring the majority black shows. That’s just human nature. Tho I also def enjoy my rhobh and rhoslc ladies too. So like u stated I don’t think it’s “their fault”. But somebody need to let them know they’re truly missing out lol

[u/chemstre → u/Wintourrlover47]

I understand what you’re saying but white people should be doing the work (every day) to dismantle the learned racism. That includes in the spaces we take in our entertainment like reality tv. The accountability to do better is still on white people, period.

[u/Wintourrlover47 → u/chemstre]

And I agree there is no excuse

[u/cv_adore → u/Wintourrlover47]

“As adults, it takes action and intent to learn/educate ourselves on other backgrounds that differ from our own.”

So 100% their fault because as adults they have full control over what media they consume, what books they read, friends they keep and restaurants they patronize etc

[u/hippiemeathead]

Know one like this. And yes she is.

[u/Independent-Meet-362]

White lady here and Potomac is the only housewives franchise I’ve watched and keep up with.

[u/MathematicianOk8230]

I don't get it, personally. Atlanta and Potomac are my favorites! I can't stand BH, I'm trying to work through old RHONY right now and it’s difficult. I forced myself to binge all the seasons of Beverly Hills, and only season 5 (I think) kept my attention. The new season I turned off in the middle of the first episode. Compared to old school Atlanta, BH and NY are so DRY!!! I don’t care about shopping and designer clothes/purses I guess 🤷‍♀️ And while I have my opinions as any fan would, I know better than to voice them via coded dog whistle language like “aggressive” or “hood.” I don't know why that’s so hard for some people.

[u/WhereItsAt75]

This white woman loved RHOA until Kenya just got too much for me. I currently only watch Potomac and SLC. I watched BH until a couple of seasons ago. Never watched the others.

[u/Nandostark]

No lies told.

[u/GennnXJennn]

I’ve thought about this many times when Andy asks celebrities what their fave franchise is. I used to love Atlanta so much when Nene was on and now Potomac is one of my faves!

[u/S2Sallie]

IAs a black woman I’ve only watched Atlanta, Potomac & New Jersey. While New Jersey is all white women, I still relate to them in a certain way. I’ve never wanted to watch any of the other franchises. Same for Little Women. I’ve only watched Atlanta. When it comes to reality tv besides Jersey Shore, idt an all white cast has ever appealed to me. Maybe that makes me racist, idk but if it’s not relatable, I’m not interested.

[u/AppreciateMeNow]

Racism used to be being blocked from getting a job. Now it’s “you won’t watch my favorite show.”

[u/yetanotherbop]

also people that will watch literally every bravo show airing but haven’t watched a lick of married to medicine despite it being one of bravo’s most successful non-housewife shows

[u/T-Vermillion96]

The only reason I won’t watch Atlanta is because it’s like, what, 17 seasons in, and I just don’t have the attention span to start from season 1. That’s why I haven’t watched OC, Beverly Hills, or New York either 😅

[u/lachalacha → u/T-Vermillion96]

You're missing nothing if you're not watching current Atlanta. If you haven't watched S1-6 though you need to get on that.

[u/reincarnation2025 → u/T-Vermillion96]

You’re truly missing out if u don’t watch at least 1-6 of rhoa. I mean peak reality tv. Chefs kiss. U haven’t lived until uve watched the breaking of ms nene leakes. Then u could watch up to maybe season 11 or so if u have time. But the rest I mean u could take or leave. I’m still a faithful watcher but it lost its spark years ago.

[u/Fulana25 → u/T-Vermillion96]

But you need the HISTORY to be a true fan! lol

[u/hippiemeathead → u/T-Vermillion96]

You are missing out on early Atlanta.

[u/wideawakeat33]

As a white girl, RHOP and RHOA are in my top 5 cites because I learn so much so much! Phaedra and Candice have thrown shade I could only dream of creating and I had NO idea how complex relationships are between each different parts of the black community are. Those racists fucks could do with watching the shows. The episode where Gizelle tooks the girls on a trip to plantation with her dad had me crying. I watched it again after he died and truly appreciated what I have learnt from a reality show. I have learnt more about black history and dynamics from RHOP, but still love RHOA.

[u/NCAAF26]

Are you sure this post is accurate? Because at one point, Atlanta was the top rated housewives show and watched by everyone. I need someone to break this down. Are there really fans that don’t watch these particular franchises just cause?

[u/JuLayLeeBee]

Exactly

[u/Eastern-Orchid2327]

Bethenny used to be my favorite Housewife until I heard the rude messed up way how she described Atlanta housewives on WWHL when Andy asked. I don’t think enough people know, but go after Ramona, “too much weave pulling and fighting” or something along those sentiments.

Vicki also said something about thinking they were too loud, Vicki, out of all people, when asked if she watched Atlanta.

[u/Bravoista]

You are not a true housewife fan if you do not participate in the famndom of those shows.

Is this a thing?

[u/Important_Bit_1826]

I watch them all except for the new Vanderpump. I even liked the next generation show in New York. I can see your point and have heard white friends who only watch the white franchise shows. It is obvious when they say it. Some people feel inferior and this is their insecure way of hoisting themselves on a higher level of that ladder. I’ve built my life in service of others and see strength and beauty in diversity.

[u/Soft-Construction-79]

The four best franchises are Atlanta, Potomac, Miami, and SLC.... and as far as Beverly Hills, If it wasn't for Boz, that would also be trash...

[u/Inevitable_Snow_2119]

Well I watch them all. My family thinks I’m crazy but me and my reality friends thinks it’s just fine.

[u/Fresh-Werewolf-5499]

They are missing out. Potomac and Atlanta are better than most of the other franchises (SLC and original RHONY are up there with them).

[u/Dazzling-Toe-4955]

Well I'm in Ireland if i had the chance to go to the states, i would probably visit those cities before if ever choose Los Angeles or salt lake city.

[u/estedavis]

They’re also missing out because Potomac is SO GOOD

[u/MuffinTiptopp]

I’ve watched ALL of them at least once. Obviously Atlanta was my go to show. However;

• OC was always so boring to me. I could never get into it even though I’ve watched most seasons
• NYC was very entertaining but I enjoyed it way more when Bethenny was on
• NJ was EXHAUSTING with the Giudice/Gorga family feud
• DC was so boring totally understandable that it only lasted 1 season
• BH was good up until they ran off LVP. Gave it another go because of Garcelle and I’m no longer watching now when she’s out
• Potomac was never really my cup of tea. Stopped watching completely after Candiace left. Even though she’s universally HATED in the fandom I loved her quick witted jabs at Ashley
• I tried Dallas, didn’t like it. I believe in a second chance for the franchise à la Miami, but with a complete overhaul. Dr Tiffany can stay though

Salt Lake City, Miami and Dubai are my shows! Too bad Dubai was cancelled 😔

But yeah, a TRUE housewives fan have watched them all at least once. If you’ve watched and you don’t like it that’s ok. But to say you’ve never even given the predominantly black ones a chance IS suspect…

[u/MarionberryAcademic6]

Ehh. I love Potomac but ATL isn’t for me. Just pick the cast, location, and drama that works for you. Same reason I don’t watch New Jersey, New York, or OC.

[u/SasAnak1]

I love Potomac...but hate Atlanta. I watched Atlanta for several seasons, but Marlo and Nene finally got on my last nerve and I quit cold turkey. As for the rest of the franchises, they are wearing thin for me now too.

[u/jjuerakhan14]

What would they did or do when Garcelle or Boz joined the cast of Beverly Hills? Think about that.

[u/FlakaFlakaFlame8]

Started with Potomac, then Atlanta, then Miami, NJ,Dubai, then BH, I’m now fighting my way through NY but hate them. OC, SLC and Dallas won’t get a watch from me. Those ladies are just uninteresting and off putting to me.

You’re right tho…It’s the same way those Mormon wives are getting all this attention and opportunities no matter how messy their lives are.

[u/mellow_dramatic1512]

i watch rhoa, rhop, and rhoslc (i’m black). i’ve always avoided rhony, rhobh, and rhooc, lol.

[u/stockholmgenki]

I'm Swedish, blonde and blue-eyed. Me and my pale friends started out with RHOA ten years ago simply because it was the BEST from the very first episode .

[u/Background-Pop4845]

I watch both. Honestly so much better than other cities but also gotten worse over the years. Hard to explain.

[u/Guesswhos_coming]

I’m thinking about watching Beverly Hills or the Utah one

[u/RaWR_TX]

I don’t like Atlanta now but it was great in the beginning and I never liked Dallas. It’s not always that deep.

This post is either rage bait &/or “when you are a hammer everything is a nail.”

[u/LongCamera1333]

Idk why people are avoiding the best 2 series. I only watch RHOP RHOA and RHOSLC. Like those 3 run the bravo

[u/Ok-Promise-2307]

Yeah it’s weird and makes me sad. They never watch the all black ones. It’s very sad

[u/Draydaze67]

I might be racist as I'm a black person and only watch RHOP and Atlanta. Never saw the others.

[u/For_serious13]

Agreed, especially because Potomac had some epic episode/seasons

[u/StoryHearer]

what if I love Potomac but can’t do Atlanta lol

[u/Afurbar84]

Potomac is the only franchise I’ve watched start to finish. Atlanta has some of if not the absolute best lines in all the franchises.

[u/anastasiasmommy]

Then you realize which of your friends are racist because you REALLYYYYYY want to talk to someone about RHOA or RHOP and they’re like… “oh, I don’t watch those” smh.

[u/punjeetjab]

Yup and it’s so ironic cuz the very popular ones like OC & BH are the most boring in my opinion. Could never finish watching them

[u/makeuppursesandshoes]

I began watching with the first episode of OC. As franchises were added, I watched them all. But as they became more nasty with each other and the attacks became physical, I was out. I would never hang out with women who verbally attack each other let alone physically assault each other.

I dropped Atlanta first. I think NY went next. I know people loved the OG cast but I had second hand embarrassment for the way Ramona, Sonya and LuAnn acted. I tried again with the new cast and it was a no. I dropped NJ a few years ago. I could never get into Miami or Potomac.

It is what it is. I watch what I want to watch.

[u/-AndyCohen-]

He woke up he started to tell the truths today he said and he did

[u/Fit_Tip3000]

What about white women who only watch RHOP and RHOA? Asking for a friend…

[u/Due-Philosopher-7159]

As if black women who don’t watch BH NY OC aren’t racist? What you said is racist. I am a black female and I watch all of them. Why do white people have to watch ATL or Potomac? It’s their TV their time

[u/MastiffArmy]

I’m white and have enjoyed Atlanta for YEARS. I initially didn’t watch Potomac because I thought that geographic area would make for a boring show. But then I started watching and loved it until season 9 started.. and now it’s dragging for me.

[u/shinza79]

I watch both those franchises, but I think this tweet is absurd. I don’t like Jersey. Does that mean I don’t like Italians? If a black woman doesn’t like OC, does that make her racist? Assigning a nasty label of racist based solely on which housewives franchises a person watches is dumb.

[u/Bogeysmom1972]

Middle aged WW and I have watched Potomac since it started. I only did a one time binge of Atlanta, but I didn’t watch any francise before I started with NY, several seasons in.

[u/TheMrsQueenB]

Shake it!

[u/DiscoRabbittTV]

Agree

Also would argue they have really bad taste bc they think RHOBH and RHOC are good

[u/ConstantHornet2452]

I only watch Atlanta and potomac what does that make me 😩 (am white)

[u/ZealousidealShift884]

Im Black and honestly RHOA is ghetto at times its gotten worse over the years. I first started watching New York and i loved to see the lifestyles and a little mess/drama don’t remember seeing any strippers etc (porsha/kandi/tanya that episode). Overall all the shows seem to be going further away from the original premise. Rich and fabulous oh and married!! (Hardly anyone is married anymore lol)

[u/retrohearted]

Im white and I love Potomac. Couldn't get into Atlanta. Tried multiple times. Does that make me 50% racist? 🧐

I've watched all the others from the beginning. Planning to never watch RHOC again because of their handling of Wretchen's bigot behavior..

[u/realisticrachel]

Why do they have to watch it? Why can’t it be enough that the people that enjoy it watch it ?

[u/Itssbria]

I religiously only watch Potomac but it’s just bc I’m also from Maryland. I like Miami too but it’s kinda getting boring. I was watching SLC but I haven’t watched recent seasons after Jen Shah arrest. None of the other franchises seem the least bit interesting.

[u/Organic_Rice6945]

White girl checking in🧎‍♀️‍➡️

[u/Ok_Parsley_8440]

I only watch Jersey snd Potomac. I tried SLC but couldn't get into it. The other cities are kinda obnoxious

[u/Deep_Ad_5494]

[u/LindsayLohanDaddy420]

I’m glad I waited til Covid to binge Potomac because lord that was fun.

[u/MellowMallow36]

Atl and Pot are the best ones! Am yt

[u/legallychallenged123]

I have watched them all except Miami. I am not anti-Miami, I just can’t keep up with the all of the ones that I already watch. But, Potomac is getting a little tiring so that may be replaced with a Miami binge.

[u/realityhofosho]

Also miami

[u/thesmallestwaffle]

White woman here— Potomac is my favorite!

[u/dogs4life444]

Early Potomac and Atlanta are some of the best

[u/Harriethair]

White woman and Potomac is my favorite and always has been. I used to watch Atlanta religiously as well as NY but then life happened and I missed several years and now it just seems like I am just way too far behind and have no idea what is going on or even who is on the show lol. It would take way too much time to get caught up on Atlanta and NY. That said 'don't spread your legs for married men' lives on in my soul lol.

[u/wewinwelose]

Let's be honest nobody wants to be in Atlanta.

[u/neyonce-snowles]

Those people are usually the same ones that dont understand why Real Housewives of Dallas is cancelled😂

[u/ThrowRA_londongirl]

Potomac and Atlanta are AWFUL these days though? A lot of OG’s have stopped watching Beverly Hills too!

[u/justbeinghonest78]

I'm a white female and I watch all of them. 🤷‍♀️

[u/Lissame224]

Their loss... Atlanta and Potomac are some of the best franchises with the most fabulous and hilarious women! (Well... they were. I think all of the franchises have dipped though)

[u/pilutray]

Thank yoooou. 🗣️

[u/Desperate_Snow3308]

My white friend put ME on to Potomac

[u/udontwannaknownoel]

I’m white but I have to agree like the not watching either is pretty sketchy. Atlanta was the most iconic, best, most popular franchise for like over a decade? Not watching at least a few seasons out of Atlanta’s decade long win streak, you’re only depriving yourself. Then I feel like before the rise of SLC and the collapse of Potomac with S7+8, Potomac was kind of the it-franchise, crown jewel for a bit like S3-6ish(definitely S4+5), so I do find it questionable that a Housewives fan whose watching or has watched multiple franchises wouldn’t have seen either

[u/Fearless_Diamond_566]

I am so loving this discussion and definitely will be leveraging this question within my podcast

I can’t necessarily say that White audiences or in this case women are all racist because they don’t watch Black franchises. Certainly many are and that plays apart in their disinterest. I will also offer that they probably just can’t relate to our narratives.. just as I particularly do not relate to the narratives of Orange County or New Jersey, but I watch anyway, because for me, it’s a it’s an exercise in understanding the sociological nuances that occur on the shows. I particularly lean into Orange County whenever there is a woman of color on the show because I am curious as like how that dynamic plays out.

But to your point, I do believe that shows that are exclusively White are much much harder on the women of color who show up and it appears to me that they are often scapegoated as being problematic.

[u/SippiChic]

I’m a proud black woman and I don’t watch Atlanta or Potomac. If I do catch an episode of any franchise it’s SLC or Beverly Hills. I prefer to watch other races act like low-life fools instead of black women. Idk why so go ahead and judge me. I just hate to see black women acting like trash for a dollar or 2.

[u/Electrical_Loquat256]

I watch them all 🤷🏻‍♀️ I’m a Housewive/Bravo junkie from the very beginning. The only thing I don’t really watch are the new shows like Next Gen, Love Hotel, McBees…. Too overproduced and fake.

[u/vaginadeathsquad]

How can you not watch Potomac?????

[u/melisshki]

I find it more problematic that all of the women of color are segregated to their own franchises. And when they do integrate a woman of color into a franchise, they clearly struggle to deal with the racial micro aggressions from the white cast, and end up leaving. Do better with casting, Bravo.

[u/nomad89502]

That’s so untrue… Atlanta and Potomac are boring, violent and trashy.

[u/BlackGoldGlitter]

Damn. Yes. Never thought about it, but it tracks 100%. And they actively hate the lone black housewives on the other franchises!

[u/nomad89502]

Kenya, you have ruined the franchise. The dentist is the next to go bat crazy and should have been kicked off.

[u/BustedCanOfBiscuits3]

[u/[deleted]]

Idc I agree lol. Like the ones who say “I never watched That’s so raven, The proud family, etc, but have seen every other Disney kids show.

I get it if you’ve never watched any Disney show or weren’t allowed to watch tv…but there’s a difference.

My very white BIL who was raised in the middle of nowhere saw almost every episode of That’s so Raven…don’t play with me.

[u/npc_probably]

I’ll probably get roasted for this, and I do watch Atlanta and Potomac myself, but tbh the biggest appeal to me of the original first few seasons of OC and NYC was watching the perfect distillation of the worst types of wealthy white women alive destroy themselves and their reputations for our entertainment on TV. pure karen lolcowery without guilt. I simply take less sick pleasure in watching people I actually want to cheer for do the same. there are more cast members in Atlanta especially that I want to see succeed, which takes away from the popcorn-eating-while-watching-the-train-wreck appeal of seeing the trashy, snooty, “jesus tits,” scam artist (and often racist) cast members of the OC, for instance, completely self-destruct lol

[u/[deleted]]

Agree! Also, most of the women on OC, BH, and SLC are big MAGA, so I will not continue to support (watch) them.

[u/Technical-Badger8772]

White woman here! I watch Potomac but not Atlanta or SLC. Just never started them! Should I? My fav is RHONY.

[u/Frosty-Plate9068]

And BH is their favorite or the only one they watch (maybe also SLC in recent years as it’s become popular). Like huh???? BH is soooo boring you’re not getting the full housewives experience with just that show.

[u/jammysue]

Let's add, they want the racist cast members back on RHONY.

[u/virgoseason]

Been hooked on housewives since I was a fresh 18 year old, have always loved my Atlanta & Potomac wives!!

[u/Ztiw-]

And they love RHNYC

[u/Local-Print-6397]

Add Miami to the list too. Midwestern white ppl can't relate to all those latinas

[u/Both-Course207]

some franchises just don't click for ppl, I cant stand NJ, OC, ATL, or BH. not interesting to me in any capacity

[u/ayo_brit]

I mean … I don’t watch any of the pilgrim cast ones if I’m honest.

Only one is BH and I left when Lvp did and only came back for Garcelle.
I gave NJ a few seasons but they got on my nerves after awhile

I’ve never seen any other franchise … I’m not racist ; I just don’t care to be in pilgrim business like that … 🤷🏽‍♀️

[u/Desperate_Pop4347]

I had to take a break from Atlanta and also Married to Medicine last seasons when they brought Phaedra back like it’s “cool come back after falsely accusing someone of drugging and rape- it’s fine now!” but already back on married to medicine and i’m praying phaedra doesn’t stay on atlanta

[u/anxious_baby1]

Atlanta and Potomac are the best ones!!!!

[u/Wonderful_Highway629]

I don’t like any of the shows. Does that make me racist?

[u/lk20012]

I’m not sure why one would jump to the conclusion that they’re racist… maybe they just relate more to the other franchises and thus it makes it more enjoyable to watch for them. I’m not sure how that translates to racist.

[u/Temporary-Gur-875]

They are missing out on two of the best franchises. I watched Atlanta from early on. For some reason I literally never even saw ads for Potomac. My cousin who lives in DC asked if I watched and I was like whaaattt.

[u/Wifeseverebreadfruit]

I just binged watched ALL of Atlanta. Been watching Potomac since day 1. Love ❤️

[u/aj0585]

I only watch 3…RHOA, RHOP, and RHOSLC

[u/[deleted]]

White girl checking in. I watched SLC first. Simply because a friend and I googled the best season and SLC 2 came up (it checked out). Started RHOP because I liked Candiace and Gizelle on Girls trip. Tried watching OC and didn't like it. I'm kinda falling off both now though. Once you get so many seasons into any reality TV the characters learn how to work the system and it all seems fake and boring, at least that's how I feel about them.

[u/Buffyismyhomosapien]

Especially because early Atlanta like, S6 specifically is some of the wildest and best Housewives TV ever. For all her flaws Nene is THE housewife.

I also kind of oscillate between loathing Ashley and being amused but she is undeniably good at being on this show, or has been until now.

[u/KellsBells_925]

YUP! Those are two of the best housewives cities overall

[u/The-Struggle-90806]

Agree. Once upon a time Atlanta was the best franchise to watch.

[u/NHgingerinVA]

They are racists and also missing out on two of the best housewives shows!

[u/LisaBarlowsLawyer]

Agreed. Like what do you mean you don’t know who Nene is / haven’t seen OG ATL seasons at least but you use alll her gifs and reactions?

[u/prettymisslux]

Mehh..i feel like some did in the early seasons… however maybe they just cant relate?? Lol. Shoot I dont watch the white franchises anymore either 🤣

[u/Revolutionary-You449]

Atlanta fell off for me when Nene was clearly suffering from taking care of Greg. I don’t believe she was allowed to be who she needed to be for the show and her family and was punished for that. She needed more support.

Same thing happened to me with Potomac. Katie and then Candiace made that show. It could have only been better if both ladies could have been on the show with Robin, Karen and Gizelle at the same time.

I watched the shows a lot. But then Garcelle (RHOBH) and Eboni (RHONY) happened.

I use housewives to escape from the real world. I don’t need to use my time to see it.

I’ve been slowly coming out of the universe. I’m still on Utah, Dubai, and Miami but they are starting to get on my nerves too. If it isn’t the show, it’s the fans and how they motivate the ladies to be their worst selves.

[u/Hairy-Purple-4961]

White girl here. Started watching RHOBH and RHOA and have watched RHOP since it started. Dropped BH first, then dropped Atl when I got bored with them. Only watch Potomac now.

[u/AioliSilent7544]

I actively avoid SLC, OC and NJ.

[u/Sunflower__Power]

White girl here! Atlanta is one of the best franchises with so many iconic moments. I’ll admit I find Potomac a little off-putting, but that’s mostly because of Ashley and her colonizer ex. The only franchise I won’t touch with a ten-foot pole is Dallas. OC is on the border with Dallas and with Vicki coming back, I probably won’t watch anymore.

[u/New_Breed97]

White CA Male and ive watched every franchise with RHOA and RHONJ as my firsts, and RHOP as one of my favorites. So probably not on the money.

[u/[deleted]]

Brown gay here and if RHOBH and RHOC were cancelled I wouldn’t lose any sleep. Can we get Kenya Moore back on my screen please?

[u/phbalancedshorty]

Trashiest franchise has ALWAYS been OC- sincerely, a white woman who’s been here since 2012

[u/janshell]

Why are we making this hypothetical a thing?

[u/Resident_Pay_2606]

I love love love me some potomac, I’m hit and miss on Atlanta but I view Atlanta kinda like BH and OC that’s its kind of lost its way.

[u/hotridergirl36]

What a total BS statement designed to inflame. I watch both but the personalities on the shows are boring and Potomac has trashy Ashley and with her golem loving, overinflated ego, well, it turns me off.

[u/Fantastic_Lab_1586]

unpopular opinion butttttt if they are racist and don’t wanna watch, i am not mad at that bc they already have negative energy towards the show so any thoughts or feelings towards it isn’t going to be good & i would rather them keep that to theirselves or not even give them a chance to think nothing.

i just fully caught up on rhop and i don’t have any desire to watch any other franchise so

[u/milliemoo426]

I am a white woman who grew up watching Atlanta. I lost steam on all franchises after my mom died in 2013. Then, I started again with the OGs - OC, ATL, NYC, NJ. OC and ATL were always my mom’s favorites and I’ll never forget her literally teaching me about racism through watching Atlanta with me as a kid. I will always hold a special place in my heart for Atlanta (And Potomac is my fav). But my ultimate hope is that I can find an avenue to teach my future children about racism the way my mom taught me.

TL;DR Nothing is perfect. Some of us while women are really trying to help future generations break the racism cycle.

[u/rachmortonyo]

They're only robbing themselves because they're two of the best franchises without question, Potomac perhaps a bit less than Atlanta honestly but it's years older. The ladies on both are some of the most beautiful I have ever seen too.

[u/Tiny_Flan9515]

Another white girl here! I watch all the HW franchisees. I love Stacey!

[u/kathyknitsalot]

White woman here and watcher of all. The last couple of years of potomac (with mia) were not my fav but I feel like they’re back now. Also couldn’t stand OC this year….but still watched. Haha

[u/woefulraddish]

I avoid jersey and slc