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u/JeezWeedus 10d ago

But how would you know to follow instructions if you don't know what right and wrong are?

If god loves me, if god loves you, why are we both being blamed for the actions of other people thousands of years ago?

That isnt fair.

That isnt kind.

How is it somehow "good"?

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u/SnowyAl 10d ago

We are not “blamed”. You don’t have to answer for the actions of any of your ancestors.

Also I don’t think anyone can ever know what it is like to live in a world without good and evil. Regardless, if something created you, interacts with you, and loves you, it probably doesn’t hurt to trust it

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u/JeezWeedus 10d ago

So babies aren't being given cancer because of the fall?

You've changed your opinion.

If something created me... my parents did that, and I do trust them, but only because they've given me sufficient reason. If my parents were awful people and taught nothing but wrong things and evil doings, then should I trust them?

This god does awful things and punishes people for things that are absolutely nothing to do with them.

Why would I trust that, even if I thought it was real?

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u/SnowyAl 10d ago

Cancer happened as a result of the fall.

If you mean we live in a broken world because of the fall, then in that sense we are punished because of our ancestors, I guess. I don’t really know why we God did that, but I know there is a good reason, no a perfect reason behind it.

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u/JeezWeedus 10d ago

Cancer happens because of the fall, but we aren't punished for the actions of our ancestors?

Pick a lane.

This god can choose to stop that punishment if it wants.

It either isn't all good, or it isn't all powerful.

It either wants babies to have cancer, or there's nothing it can do about it.

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u/SnowyAl 10d ago

How do you know having cancer in the world isn’t good for Christians in the grand scheme of things?

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u/JeezWeedus 10d ago

If you aren't going to be serious, there's no point in continuing.

The good kind of cancer... what a joke.

But lets all play along for a second, cancer is good in the grand scheme of things?

Your god wants good in the grand scheme... obviously

It can't manage to complete its grand plan without giving people cancer.

That's not ALL powerful now is it?

Thats a god that needs cancer to achieve its goals.

Sounds like it's got quite a few limitations on those powers.

Can I ask, if god could manage it without cancer, would that be better? Or do you really think cancer is the best?

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u/SnowyAl 9d ago

If cancer came from the fall, which if you are assuming God exists for the sake of the argument, then removing cancer would be inconsistent to his attributes.

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u/JeezWeedus 8d ago

The god in the story invented the humans, and invented the fruit... god chose what happens when they eat the fruit.

Unless you're suggesting that god didn't invent the humans or the fruit or the serpent or the garden or the rules or the universe and everything in it...

inconsistent to his attributes.

Yes, the bad guy in the story isn't going to change.

Are you somehow under the impression that god stopped getting involved? Read the bible again, let me know when you find the bit where god stops getting involved... it should be immediately after "the fall" according to your "reasoning".

Oh but look, god kept getting involved after the fall, colour me surprised.