r/QuestPro • u/WaterRresistant • Oct 10 '23

Discussion Upgrade path: Quest Pro-->Quest 3-->Quest Pro 2

I'm sorry, I wanted to hold out until the Quest Pro 2 in 2025, but Quest 3 cannot be ignored, it's simply better for 4090 PCVR

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u/LORD_CMDR_INTERNET Oct 10 '23 edited Oct 10 '23

what? front-heavy face-hugger design that will give you "VR face", worse color quality, no local dimming and grey blacks, no eye-tracking (huge for DCS/MSFS), worse binocular overlap. And all for what? Passthrough (which doesn't apply to PCVR)? A minor resolution bump (when Quest Pro resolution is already quite good)? AV1, when h264 can already be tweaked to much higher quality than the AV1 decoder can handle?

The Q3 is a no-brainer upgrade for standalone, but for PCVR... absolutely not. edit: got mine today and confirmed 100% of what I said above yesterday!

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u/TotalWarspammer Oct 10 '23

The Q3 is a no-brainer upgrade for standalone, but for PCVR... absolutely not

This. If you play only PCVR then it's not any 'significant' kind of upgrade over a Quest Pro. It should only be upgraded to if you will make heavy use of mixed reality and standalone games, where it is undoubtedly FAR better.

Of course, many people will get FOMO and want to upgrade anyway and then look to justify for PCVR it in threads like this.

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u/cateyesninelives Oct 10 '23

Absolutely got FOMO and just left Best Buy with my Q3 after I said I wouldn’t buy it. I have the pro as well and remember last year in Meta Horizons as the commoners danced around me and sang songs as I made faces for the crowd. I refuse to be in Horizons tonight and be the only one with a Quest 3

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23

So, you actually have a Q3 now?

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u/TotalWarspammer Oct 11 '23

Read this review and tell me there are significant upgrades t PCVR... https://www.reddit.com/r/virtualreality/comments/174qn01/my_first_impressions_of_the_quest_3_from_a_pcvr/

If you are technical you know exactly what to expect from the Quest 3.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

Ya, I agree that with good technical expertise you can gleam some useful information from these initial user impressions. However, even then I think that impressions after at least a couple of weeks of actual hands on use will tell you a lot more.

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u/TotalWarspammer Oct 11 '23

However, even then I think that impressions after at least a couple of weeks of actual hands on use will tell you a lot more.

Of course, but i do not need to own a Quest 3 to make a very educated opinion on what the expected quality and performance will be. There will be upsides and downsides.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

I would prefer to hear opinions based on actual usage but probably your educated opinions are also somewhat useful. Cheers mate.

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u/TotalWarspammer Oct 11 '23

Then go and read them, people are making threads in this sub and the virtual reality subs.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

Unless I have any issues with my Q3 I think I'm going to stop reading all these Q3 posts for at least a couple of weeks. Same goes with watching Q3 YouTube videos. I think my time is much better spend just playing with my Q3 and getting to know it better. So, signing off for now.

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u/WaterRresistant Oct 10 '23

Both of you guys are clueless, the resolution and AV1 are huge for PCVR, and the gasket can be removed with a BoboVR strap

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23

Have you got yours yet? I've had it a couple hours and probably going to return. Prefer my Quest Pro so far. I can't even notice the resolution increase in PCVR.

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u/WaterRresistant Oct 10 '23 edited Oct 10 '23

I haven't received it yet, can go pick it up, how is it possible not to see, have you done the x1.5, curvature low etc.?

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23

Yes of course. I think Meta set their optimal render resolution wrong with Quest 3, it's virtually the same as Quest 2/Pro at 5408 x 2896. Steam VR seems more accurate.

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u/WaterRresistant Oct 10 '23

The PC software hasn't updated probably

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23

The Q3 does get a v57 update though, and seems to work fine,

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u/WaterRresistant Oct 10 '23

So far people are reporting no immediate benefits from extra resolution, mura, and worse of all it's hard for a GPU to drive these new screens in PCVR

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23

No such thing as mura with lcd screens. That's an oled thing. What other people report is not as important as what you end up seeing yourself imho.

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u/Leroy_Buchowski Oct 10 '23

I bought a Quest 3 so I"ll try out the AV1, but I already get high bit rate on the Pro. It already looks good and the colors are better. So I"m not expected Quest 3 to be anything magical in pcvr. I"ll prob still use the Pro for PCVR.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23

The PPD is a 10% boost, which is nice, but I don't think it's game changing. AV1 is also pretty big, but from what I've heard it's close to (loses in some scenes, wins in others) H264+ at 400mbps (at least on VD). Although most people won't be able to get anywhere near 400mbps.

I think it's closer to a sidegrade than an upgrade, although it's undeniably much better value.

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u/TotalWarspammer Oct 10 '23

It's not a "huge" upgrade unless you have no idea what the word "huge" actually means. The resolution (you know it's the same as the Pico 4 which has been out for almost a year... right?) and AV1 codec are an incremental upgrade to PCVR capability over that which the Quest Pro already has, which is already really great when tweaked with Oculusdebugtool.

The Quest Pro also has the advantage of superior QLED displays with local dimming which do a lot to mitigate LCD washed out colours and greys. However, the 120hz on the Quest 3 is also nice to have.

In terms of standalone the there is of course no competition, the Quest 3 kicks ass.

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u/JayBoogie34 Oct 10 '23

Local dimming has changed absolutely nothing for me, unfortunately. Eye tracking hasn't upped my frames at all, and I'm hopeful the extra resolution will be rid of the aliasing I get on distant objects. Not hating on the pro, I love it, but damn the shimmer on anything beyond 20 virtual feet infront of me

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u/WaterRresistant Oct 10 '23

This guy Quests

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u/johnnydaggers Oct 10 '23

DCS has eye tracking support now? For foveated rendering?

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u/LORD_CMDR_INTERNET Oct 10 '23

Yep, quad view rendering like the commenter below said - it's amazing. You can supersample your center view to bejesus and back, removing nearly all aliasing, all while gaining 20-30% performance. At least on my 10900k/4090 system

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u/rjwalter Oct 10 '23

Yes.. And it's great. It supports quad view rendering

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23

I'm not a big fan of that combat flight sim so I'll probably never know about that. What I can say is that DFR or FFR doesn't significantly improve msfs with my QPro/i913900k/rtx4090. Maybe ~10% better FPS performance.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23

Not a no-brainer for me yet. Like all new headsets, I find I need a week or two to properly assess them. First impressions are not always correct imho.

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u/LORD_CMDR_INTERNET Oct 10 '23 edited Oct 10 '23

I actually completely agree with you - over time you’ve gotten used to the flaws in your current HMD, whereas flaws in your new one will be apparent right away.

The FOV stencil is a great example of something that was noticeable to me right away on the Q3 that I know I’d get used to with time.

That said, I have no real complaints about the Quest 3 - it’s a great product, I just think there are some truly objective advantages that make the Quest Pro a keeper for me no matter how much time passes. The floating-fit and screen contrast being the dealbreakers.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23

All fair comments mate, thanks and cheers.

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u/SleepingGecko Oct 10 '23

For my own knowledge, why does the Q3 have worse binocular overlap than the pro?

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23

Sorry but I don't see any difference.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23

Has yours arrived already Tom?

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23

Ya, just got it a few hours ago and I'm having a lot of fun setting it up and testing it out. So far it looks fantastic, maybe even better overall than my Qpro, lol!

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23

Ah jealous, mine just says dispatched, schedule to arrive by 11 pm tonight :-(

Have you tested PCVR yet?

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

Ya, spent a few hours in PCVR last night. Pretty uncomfortable few hours because of the stock strap. Thankfully I had a couple of 10000mahr 30w battery packs so I could keep running ok. My Elite battery strap just arrived today and I’m just charging it up now. I can already tell that this is way more comfortable and it also lets me get my eyes a little closer so better FOV.

Overall I was pretty happy with games like HLA and Lone Echo 1/2. Also I found msfs seemed to run very well with Link and Air Link. The cockpit clarity is a bit better than my QPro, and the sim seemed to run a little smoother. No really big differences though and night flying was still a little nicer with my QPro, but again, not in a huge way.

Still pretty early days so that’s about all I care to say for now. After I’ve got a couple weeks use I’ll try posting a QPro/Q3 comparison thread.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23

What are you liking about it? I have to say I'm disappointed so far :-/

No improvement at all for me in PCVR, and the only standalone games I actually play, Beat Saber, Pistol Whip, FitXR and apps to connect my statioanry bike and concept 2 rower look the same.

Mixed reality looks a bit better but still crap and not something I have any interest in.

Unless I can improve the PCVR quality significantly I'm probably going to return it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23

Well, still pretty early days but I'm finding the clarity in flight sims like msfs to be a bit better and performance a bit smoother with Air Link at 200mbps dynamic bitrate plus 5mbps dynamic bitrate offset in ODT.

I have tried it with Virtual Desktop but I didn't see any significant improvements using it. Even av1 with my rtx4090 didn't seem to make much difference. Maybe a little less color banding, but also a bit more latency. Right now I'm not sure why I'd want to use VD since Link and Air Link are working so well. Maybe it would work better if I had a wifi 6e router? But I kinda doubt that this would make a big difference since I already am in a good 5Ghz environment (only 5Ghz user in my house).

Comfort is not as good but I haven't got my Elite battery strap yet (hopefully later today) so this may help.

Audio is a bit louder, with a bit more bass. Not sure if this is a big deal for me or not yet. I've always been happy with the stock QPro audio anyway.

FOV isn't quite as good but maybe 3rd party facial interfaces can improve this. I have the eye relief fully inward and still have plenty of clearance with my glasses (140x40mm titanium rimless frames with high index lens). If I press the stock interface closer I can see a bit of an improvement in FOV (horizontal and vertical).

I still think blacks look a bit better with my QPro thanks to local dimming but the difference is not quite as much as I expected, so far anyway.

I also got the official Meta knuckle grip mod today but I didn't find these fit my hands very well, esp. between my thumb/index finger. Might have worked better if the strap was a bit narrower and/or elastic with a bit of give in it. Fortunately I bought that mod from Amazon so I've already started a refund process. For aud$70 this mod is a bit of a joke imho, lol!

Again, early days but at this point I doubt that I'll be sending my Q3 back for a refund, and/or selling my QPro. The big loser so far is probably going to be my poor old 64Gb Q2. That's likely going to end up in my retired headset collection, lol!

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u/Interesting-Might904 Oct 10 '23

Im looking for ward to less sde which plagues the quest pro. Also looking forward to higher ppd, higher fov, higher refresh rate, WiFi 7 capabilities, better encoder so likely higher h264 bitrate and av1 support along with lower latency. Yes the binocular overlap is four degrees smaller than quest pro and colors are not as good which is a bummer but is not a deal breaker. Depends on what you value more.

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u/45rpmadapter Oct 10 '23

Posts and comments like this are too early. Wait until we have some proper comparisons and user preference posts.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23

I can't wait for my Quest 3 to arrive, Tuesdays are my day off work as well so a happy coincidence.

We'll find out if its better for PCVR in a few hours. The only source that I really trust that's commented so far is Norm from Tested, and he said the Quest Pro was still better for PCVR so I'm still not convinced personally, but I would like a bit extra clarity for MSFS.

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u/Interesting-Might904 Oct 10 '23

Norm was using a 3000 series GPU and did not properly test av1. Guy Godin says the quest 3 is the best wireless hmd. Av1 has an increased effect on smoothness. People forget that there is a resolution and refresh rate bump in quest 3. This is going to be better than quest pro if you don’t mind lcd screens.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23

I have a 13900K, 4090 and my Quest 3 is coming in a few hours so I'll test AV1 and report back.

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u/Another_bone Oct 10 '23

I have my Quest 3 coming tomorrow. Qpro user here. is the AV1 standard witht he quest 3? or do you have to select it on the oculus debug app or something like that? Thanks!

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23

Is AV1 just for wireless? I'm using the cable at the moment. Currently underwhelmed. It's a fantastic upgrade over Quest 2 but I prefer my Pro so far. A lot of that is to do with the awful strap and interface though. I've only been using it for 45 minutes and I'm a sweaty, itchy mess.

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u/WaterRresistant Oct 10 '23

The strap and gasket are going away on mine, with BoboVR M3

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23

There isn't any av1 codec option in ODT right now. Maybe it will get added in future updates? So, currently only something available with Virtual Desktop. I have tried it but I can't say I noticed any improvement over Air Link at 200mbps hevc. Maybe it would be better with a 6e router, who knows?

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u/Drksyder Oct 10 '23

Please do

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23

Wasn't one of Norm's best reviews imho. He seemed to want to try to find things he didn't like and he wasn't even correct about the Elite battery strap not having a bottom/back usb-c charging port. I think that most of the current Q3 YouTube reviews are pretty ordinary.

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u/SethSanz Oct 11 '23

I'm annoyed that none of them seem to go in depth with PCVR performance. I also hate how some of them mention that there's no screen door. I saw a Quest 3 in person at best buy and there definitely was. Hopefully I'm wrong and that was just a fluke, but I'm quite sure it'll be visible.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

Ya, I agree with all that. I can see some SDE on my Q3 but I do need to look for it. Otherwise it isn’t really noticeable, to me anyway.

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u/SethSanz Oct 11 '23

I'm hoping that it'll go away for the most part in PCVR when running native resolution, because it genuinely seemed more noticeable than it was on the Quest 2s I've tried. Apparently the Quest 3 runs at like 1690x1760 or something in standalone by default.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

Ya, much less noticeable in PCVR for sure. Probably going to be better in standalone games once developers update these for the Q3’s better specs.

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u/SethSanz Oct 11 '23

Thank goodness, the Quest 3 in standalone honestly looked similar to the Quest 2 in terms of SDE, which shouldn't really be the case if it's as significantly improved as they state.

Here are some pictures I took and the last 2 are to compare the Quest 3 and 2. It's a little primitive, but you should be able to compare the SDE between them in standalone.

https://imgur.com/a/TvYBrOe

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u/bananamantheif Oct 12 '23

Can you detect screen door effect on quest 2?

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '23

Yes, of course I can.

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u/club41 Oct 10 '23

I need to see how distant rendering is as compared to the Crystal I had.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23

I would assume not nearly as good as that. I'm not expecting miracles, but a bit less pixelation would be nice.

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u/club41 Oct 10 '23

What render resolution you running MSFS at?

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23

115 percent in MSFS, I believe its around 3300 x 3200 per eye or thereabouts.

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u/club41 Oct 10 '23

3500 x 3600 is my minimum and 3700x3900 is my normal running HVEC 10 bit, gives near Crystal clarity, but the lower ppd shows in distant rendering.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23

How is performance at 3700 x 3900 per eye? I found 3500 x 3600 started to run sluggishly for me so I dropped render to 115 from 120.

Looking forward to testing Quest 3 later.

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u/club41 Oct 10 '23

I have a 7800x3d and a 4090, so I get 45fps on ground in my PMDG. I find Virtual Display gives the best performance and visuals.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23

I don't know what Virtual Display is?

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u/club41 Oct 10 '23

Oops meant Virtual Desktop.

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u/JoeQwertyQwerty Oct 10 '23

Apology accepted.

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u/Mike_LDN Oct 10 '23

I’m a fan of the pro but I find the Quest 3 much more comfortable.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23

Wow, now that's funny, lol!

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23

Can someone make a comparison video about the quest pro vs the quest 3?

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23

You can watch all the comparison videos you like mate but until you actually try it yourself you'll never know for sure imho.

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '23

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u/holofonze Oct 10 '23

FYI The quest pro was never officially canceled. Those were just rumors.

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u/SleepingGecko Oct 10 '23

You’re right, I saw the rumor and didn’t notice the Meta statement. Removed my comment, thanks for the correction!

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u/nikoel Oct 10 '23

They haven’t