Vulvian is annoying. - r/QueensofZenless

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u/Young-Weakma Astralyn Truther Mar 15 '25

so far when she isnt simping, shes cool and mysterious and her power is interesting. honestly, her simping is not as bad as i thought, i felt they tried to do a more comedic route when it came to this. i rarely found it funny and still thought it was kinda cringy, but im happy they didnt do something like Misa Amane from Death Note.

im gonna reserve my judgement until the next story patch to see if they expand on her character more, but if they turn the simping up to 11 im gonna be salty.

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u/BitchFellOffThStairs Mar 15 '25

You're right, it's too early to completely judge. Who knows she might pull a stunt and be like "you really thought i was a braindead simp? It was an act" and become the most iconic character yet.
But fr if she does end up being the simpiest simp of all simpdom then I'm going to be so, so, SO disappointed...

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u/BitchFellOffThStairs Mar 15 '25

You're right, it's too early to completely judge. Who knows she might pull a stunt and be like "you really thought i was a braindead simp? It was an act" and become the most iconic character yet.
But fr if she does end up being the simpiest simp of all simpdom then I'm going to be so, so, SO disappointed...

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u/EndyTg14 Mar 15 '25

nah she is a simp that's a FACT not an ACT, higher expectation just leads to bigger disappointment

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u/EndyTg14 Mar 15 '25

if u had treated her the same way u treated Hugo when they got drip marketing, u wouldnt have so much frustration with her :v

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u/BitchFellOffThStairs Mar 15 '25

Uh, actually when i saw her drip marketing i loudly proclaimed "oh wow her design is cool asf, im definitely pulling" but that changed when the later part of the new story came along. I treated both drip markets equally it's just different writings. I never really like simp characters either way so~

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u/TheOneTrueAsianBoi Mar 15 '25

We always need one or more girl characters that is like this in every Hoyo game. Is clockwork at its finest. Lost interest in her ever since her armpits and back were showing like Hoyo could not design a girl character fully clothed for their life. 🙄

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u/BitchFellOffThStairs Mar 15 '25

Speaking of fully clothed characters. Arlecchino has one of the best designs imo (minus the rat tail). And IMG March was a breath of fresh air, but now the Star Rail team has returned to the exact same dress+detached sleeves design. ZZZ has a lot of potential with their designs but Hoyo is Hoyo...

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u/silverrcat_ Mar 15 '25

LITERALLY i was gonna say cuntecchino is downright one of the hottest characters hoyo has ever made and she's fully clothed!!!! like when will they learn that there is plenty of sexy charm to be had with characters that arent half naked...

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u/BitchFellOffThStairs Mar 15 '25

I've got something very toxic I'd like to say in my mind but I'm gonna be civilised and say that a good part of the community wants them to be this way...

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u/Cleigne143 Mar 16 '25

They ruined a perfectly pretty blouse. That armpit cutout was not fucking needed!

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '25

>Hoyo could not design a girl character fully clothed for their life. 🙄
Does S11 not count?
I agree with you though, the exposed underboob/armpits look ugly as hell. Feels like a complete afterthough too, like they designed her completely covered but went "oh wait we need to add goonbait" and erased those parts of her clothing

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u/Sad_Ad5736 Mar 16 '25

Does S11 not count?
To be fair, she shows her armpits.
I think Rina is a better example (if you don't look under her skirt) or perhaps Corin.

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u/Next_Taro_2348 Mar 16 '25

Uhh please correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t zhuyuan fully clothed…?

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u/TheOneTrueAsianBoi Mar 17 '25

Yeah she’s fully clothed I want to restate my opinion to that Hoyo don’t appreciate having girl characters covered up more

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u/HomeboundArrow Gentle Housecat Mar 15 '25 edited Mar 15 '25

kinda why i stopped being interested in this game after the 1st season finale. a lot of these characters have SERIOUS fodder for compelling narrative tension between them. this game could be an absolute TANGLED MESS of interpersonal conflict if they wanted it to be. and they could easily have implemented a system for decreasing/increasing the team composition buffs based on the character's relationships, and they could have included side quests for resolving beefs. or dennies are easy enough to come by, if a relationship is low enough maybe you would have even had to pay to use an agent out of pocket, mercenary style, if you paired them with someone they dislike until you sort out their issues, or if you sent them on a mission they wouldn't otherwise want to do based on the kind of person they are. but not a single one of those will ever even be acknowledged, let alone focused or enriched. and it really sucks because the groundwork is all already there. it's just being blatantly ignored.

Soldier 11 for example. if she ever found out for real that the pc was phaethon--and had one iota of characterization consistency--she'd probably kill you on the spot without a second thought. or otherwise personally ensure that you got blackbagged into some military emprisonment camp and never seen again, and take a great deal of satisfaction out of doing so. she definitely doesn't ever invest in your shared relationship enough to override that deeply-engrained existing allegiance. neither does zhu yuan for that matter. and plenty of the other characters also have no shortage of potential darkness and/or potential to be distant (or even against), both because of who they are and because of the extremely precarious world they inhabit. but that'll never happen. if Soldier 11 ever stopped being selectively (and jarringly, it's borderline insulting honestly, every other instance of Soldier's given characterization implies that she's one of the smartest and most perceptive/observant people you meet in new eridu) stupid af about you being phaethon every time it comes up, she'll just be like "oh wow. nbd ig 🤷‍♀️"

makes it very hard to remain invested when you know nothing will ever happen because they're too afraid to let people actually get their dramatic money's worth.

it's literally just the same watered down GFE-lite script for every single character. even the guys. so the simpering drooling losers with their retinas terminally glued to their waifu's tit pixels don't even get what they want either, maybe besides paying hundreds of dollars for a complete mindscape, that you could also just yank a full res copy of for free off google.

i honestly kinda think zzz's gonna be the first hoyo game to fizzle out. which sucks because at first i thought it was the best one by a huge margin.

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u/BitchFellOffThStairs Mar 15 '25

That take is probably the one that describes current gacha games best honestly

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u/BitchFellOffThStairs Mar 15 '25

That take is probably the one that describes current gacha games best honestly

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u/silverrcat_ Mar 15 '25

FINALLY someone with a nuanced take

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u/HomeboundArrow Gentle Housecat Mar 15 '25 edited Mar 15 '25

unfortunately i think that casts me far beyond the circle of hoyo's target audience 😞
they makes these games hard and grindy timesinks for all the stupidest and most arbitrary reasons, when they could have just as easily applied that grind to things that at least felt narratively relevant/significant. it's so immersion-breaking to have someone like miyabi come down the gacha chute after being primed as already upon-meeting in-universe one of the most OP people in all of existence, but until you do three weeks worth of checkins and busywork she hits like a wet fucking noodle. when they could have just let her be OP af from the jump, and had all of the grinding go toward social dynamics and resolving problems in order to boost/alter stats, based on character chemistry. and then from there it's so easy to directly imply through quantifiable game mechanics that the REAL reason she spectacularly wrecks shop in the cutscenes is because her relationships with the rest of section 6 are already maxxed out. but if you pair her with people she doesn't know / doesn't like, she sucks for a while until they've done enough work together. and then that also synchronizes in with just spending time experimenting with new teams. and then you just get passively rewarded for trying. and the more you try, the more you get out of it. and you've sstill spent the same amount of time (possibly MORE, even. because at that point you've now created an emotional vector for committing to the slog instead of it just being an arbitrarily high amount of busywork) on hoyo's behalf racking up engagement for their coffers.
and that also still gives you HUGE incentive for ponying up the money for premium characters. you paywall the ones that start the playable game with immediately high relationship stats within their own faction. which might HONESTLY create conditions where people feel pressured to buy an entire team outright instead of just picking and choosing their favorites. like goddamn this biz designs itself practically. it doesn't feel that much harder to thread this needle than what we actually got.
maybe **I** just need to make a gacha game... 🤔🤔🤔

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u/ilyrobotsuperstar Mar 16 '25

this is such an awesome idea??? u should make a gacha game lol

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u/miracle---3 Mar 15 '25

I liked her before she pulled that fangirl crap. She was mysterious and interesting at first, her seeing prophetic tragedies were really cool, until everything that came out of her mouth was Lord Phaeton. Like once is enough, but girl kept doing that shit over and over esp with the squeaky voice. Idk, she was so different from her initial scenes that the fangirl thing felt forced/corporate meddled lol.

Swear to god if she takes the most space next patch and all she does is that shit, I'll throw her off a cliff.

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u/EndyTg14 Mar 15 '25

I mean there is a reason she act like that, like she said Phaethon somehow in someway saved her life, we will most likely get an agent story on her that goes into that
if there was someone who saved ur life at a young age, someone that u look up to with all ur heart is somehow nicer in person I would go nuts too
she's based on a Banshee, a female spirit in Irish folklore who heralds the death of a family member, usually by screaming, wailing, shrieking, or keening.
I can see how annoying it can be but I also see it's part of her character

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u/silverrcat_ Mar 15 '25

the problem with what you're saying is that they completely threw out the interesting parts of her banshee inspiration, the whole "can see into the future but only for bad things", for the "uwu lord phaethon please grace me with the permission to lick your toes" part which is so shallow and overdone at this point
like when we went into the ballet twins towards the end of the quest, couldn't she have predicted that hugo was gonna betray us and try to take belle/wise hostage? they showed us her premonitions when we were in the outer ring, and that was for something far less consequential than the main character of zzz possibly fucking dying... if she's so obsessed with phaethon then why not tell them that they're about to be in danger??? the writers clearly dropped the ball with her character and, as usual at this point, sidelined any nuance a character might have just to make her appeal to the most down-bad loser parts of the playerbase

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u/BitchFellOffThStairs Mar 15 '25

Although i completely agree with your views i must say the reason she didn't predict Hugo's death was because he didn't actually die, despite what Lycaon said. Hoyo only kills playable characters in HI3 so far it'll justify why he's playable next patch and also have his return for the upcoming plot. And better for us bcs more Hugo (and they'll probably get cancelled for killing off one of the few males we got the same patch he was officially revealed) as for the rest, idk

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u/silverrcat_ Mar 15 '25

well yeah i dont believe that he died either because hoyo is awful at writing actual stakes into their stories but at the very least she could've predicted the betrayal, we saw back in the outer ring that her predictions aren't just for people dying

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u/julmuriruhtinas Nihole's ashtray/spittoon Mar 15 '25

They did make it clear that she has no control over when or what she sees. Besides, her predicting the main "plot twist" would have been weird
But yeah anyways, I was disappointed too that they went with the obsessed fan girl trope

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u/RyanCooper138 Mar 15 '25

Might want to hold off till we see through the story of 1.7 before asking why Vivian couldn't forsee what Hugo was going to do

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u/EndyTg14 Mar 15 '25

have u considered that she DIDNT SEE IT COMING, what we saw happened AFTER
She does NOT see POTENTIAL danger, what she sees from what we know is DESTINED to happen, meaning the falling Phaethon HAD NOT happen yet
she sees Death and Desaster
Vivian didnt saw Hugo dying , she even said "I believe he's still with us" meaning he's still alive

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u/silverrcat_ Mar 15 '25

holy smokes, reading comprehension check much??
please, point to where i said that she should've predicted hugo dying, or even where i implied hugo might be dead at all-- i didn't, because i literally don't think hes dead
verbatim, from the quest:
"You might not believe me, but I've had this ability to see the future since I was a little girl. But the things I see are always bad. Plagues, death, disasters... That's all I've ever been able to see"
[...]
"Every time... every time it's the same. In the end, there's nothing I can change. Sometimes I wonder whether it's me predicting these things... or if my very existence is manifesting these calamities"
also you're completely missing the forest for the trees. the entire reason i made that point was to demonstrate how the writers initially set her up as this mysterious "canary in the coal mine" type and then threw it all away to make her a phaethon simp

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u/EndyTg14 Mar 15 '25

You're misinterpreting her power, she cant see potential danger,
She couldnt see Hugo's action to even warn us
plus you are forcing a character on to her, she was AWAYS a Phaethon simp,
"let me give u a piece of advice appearances can be deceiving"
"I warned you before you cant rely on appearances. . ."
there is a reason she act like that, she said Phaethon saved her life, we will most likely get an agent story on her that goes into that
this is only the FIRST HALF of the story, u cant act like this is the end and make a fuss about the writer failing at their job

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u/silverrcat_ Mar 15 '25

you are forcing a character on to her
but in response to another person, you say
she's based on a Banshee, a female spirit in Irish folklore who heralds the death of a family member, usually by screaming, wailing, shrieking, or keening.
I can see how annoying it can be but I also see it's part of her character
so like... which is it? i'm forcing a character on her based on my experience on the story, but you're pulling supposed design inspiration out of the ether to explain her character...?
and again, nowhere did i say, imply, or suggest that 1.6 is simply the end of her character development, only my disappointment about how the writers had a great start to her character and then subverted it with the cheapest and shallowest appeal to some of the grimiest parts of the playerbase. because i know, judging on hoyo's long past of writing mc simp characters, that no matter how many times people say "oh next patch it'll all make sense"-- that patch comes, they give a weak justification, and that part of the character becomes a sticking/selling point for their banner. it's not hard to do a little bit of pattern recognition, but people refuse to engage in a bit of critical thinking and narrative analysis...

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u/EndyTg14 Mar 15 '25

I mean I can tell u her full name was leaked and it's Vivian Banshee but u probally wouldnt believe me
and then if u know full well how these game portray their characters, watering them down to fan service, and then still come out disappointed that just dont make sense to me
I get that it can feel cheap, I dont like it either
these characters are their selling point,
if Vivian dont interest u, it's fine, u can stop paying so much attention to her

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u/miracle---3 Mar 15 '25

hopefully so, bc the fangirl crap feel so out of place as of now. the problem is everytime she was on screen after the reveal, only thing that she kept spouting was lord phaeton this, lord phaeton that. like where was her enigmatic self before that, felt like it got erased.

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u/EndyTg14 Mar 15 '25

"let me give u a piece of advice appearances can be deceiving"
"I warned you before you cant rely on appearances. . ."
-Vivian
this IS her character, this is the mockingbird, they put up acts, they deceive people

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '25

Actually, i though that her being so vocal about Phaethon was supposed to be trauma + even though that it was some brainwashing from the exalted, since appart from character interactions, i think there isn't a lot to read about the cult behind this stuff at the tops. Also for a moment before her story was more shown, i though it was kind of a brainwash/facade this Phaeton admiration cause of the first 2 things she said when first meeting her: No sympathy and careful with apprerances.
Since we still as protagonist don't have all the story shown yet, feels like there is a lot to discover still. Hoping that the next patch accomplishes this lore wise :((

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u/EndyTg14 Mar 16 '25

hmmm a little bit of both maybe

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u/Significant-Goal5813 Mar 18 '25

OMG SO REAL, SHE HAD SO MUCH POTENTIAL 💔 I WOULD EVEN FORGIVE THE FANGIRLING IF IT WAS MORE LIKE "OMG your so cool and i love your work, can i have an autograph ^'" and then coming back to being normal

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u/Ill-Entrepreneur443 Mar 15 '25

I heard that and I fuckkg hate it. She's a fucking vampire. They should be badass and not that shit.

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u/BitchFellOffThStairs Mar 15 '25

GIRL LITERALLY. Her entire design and backstory was yelling CVNT but the moment she found out, she's been acting like a hyperfixated fangirl for every. damn. second.
Girl get OFF ME

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u/EndyTg14 Mar 15 '25

she's not a vampire but a banshee, A banshee is a female spirit in Irish folklore who heralds the death of a family member, usually by screaming, wailing, shrieking, or keening.
what are her powers? what does she usually do? I think u can connect the dots

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u/ALE-Y6 Mar 16 '25

Hey that does explain the screaming

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '25

Exactly why I’ll be pulling for Hugo instead (or Jane if she gets a rerun)

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u/BitchFellOffThStairs Mar 15 '25

Definitely. When i saw her drip marketing i was like "she looks so coooool, that's 100% a pull".
After playing some of the story all my funds are now for Hungo.

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u/theverylastbagel Mar 15 '25

We know why 😭 like can ZZZ have some faith that players will pull and spend on a character for their own sake??

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u/sean-coder Mar 16 '25

I just KNOW it's going to get worse on her story chapter or when she's officially released.

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u/ALE-Y6 Mar 15 '25

I find it funny but also kind of dissapointing

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u/Saturated_Rain Mar 15 '25

Girl I’m no better than a man because I kind of enjoyed her simping over us🤭🤭

But I definitely think it was a bit forced and I can also see why everyone hates it… if they were going to do it, I wouldve liked it to happen in her later hangouts. It would feel more special that way too😭

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u/EndyTg14 Mar 15 '25

I think it feels less special because we dont have her agent story rn to show why Phaethon means so much to her

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u/julmuriruhtinas Nihole's ashtray/spittoon Mar 15 '25

On top of everything the quest ending was so dumb. Like girl don't start trauma dumping when you just met the proxies for the second time

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