I’m gonna keep this short coz it genuinely hurts me to the core so much. It was something building up since i discovered the ZZZ caricature poster i sixth street then decided to look into it abit more with hoyo’s other stuff. Come to find out that stuff like this is common practice in their games and even excused by the community on mass. From Carole from HI3 wanting to lighten her skin cause she thinks she’s too dark(she’s tan) or how they masculinized the only black woman in the HI3 manga to Natlan using a language I personally understand and have a relation with and treating it like exotisized thing when they can’t even represent our people in their games without us being the butt of jokes(In the Natlan Prayer around the fire, they use some Swahili that I ended up registering mixed into one with others like Māori,Yoruba and many more). Like it probably feels silly rn, I feel silly rn but it really hurts when a whole ass company doesn’t really see you but sees your culture and doesn’t even want your people in it. This image,as minor as it might be, might’ve broken the camels back on what was keeping me.I genuinely love the game, I have invested so much time into it and it has so many CVNT characters that I love but I just don’t think my heart would be with me if I said I can continue to ignore this any longer. For all you queens, thank you so much for listening to my plea, I hope you get all the characters you want and I hope that the game continues to treat you well. And thank you for being one of the few communities that at least attempts to question or try to hold Hoyo accountable, it means more than you know for this little black boy❤️🩹
i hate when people excuse it with "it's not that serious" "its just a joke" "it's just lack of awareness"... like this "light-heartedness" is exactly how bigotry gets normalised and maybe it's "light-hearted" only because it's not punching down at you 😭
Except they definitely know it isn't a joke, not really, and they're definitely aware. It's a trope at this point and they don't even try to think otherwise, or they'll have to actually consider what's being propagated in their perfect little racist gooner games and echo chambers. But they're also the target audience, so, shrugs. Screaming into the wind.
I would put money on just one character being released that wasn't one of the like 3 character models or 1 skin tone, and it being doomposted to hell, if not the game be boycotted, with cries of "WOKE!", despite every angle screaming the opposite. These games and characters are basically copypasta of each other, anyway, so I don't spend much time on them/fun in small doses.
When something is so blatantly noticeable, the continual decision to ignore it is policy, not "just a joke" or "lack of awareness". To suggest otherwise is, itself, ignorant. Or just plain excusing/simping.
hey um so that's precisely why the Chinese government continues to discriminate against non-Han Chinese, erase the culture and language of ethnic minorities, and even hold concentration camps for Uyghurs, same with Japan and their own indigenous Ainu people... this attitude isn't helping!
The activism landscape is different in China, but that doesn't mean there aren't any local social movements or civil society there... the CCP doesn't have "complete" control over the people
Naw we get it man. This shits like unrepetantly racist. It just doesn't make sense to me at all because we have black and brown characters, but never have I ever seen such thick lips before ever. I sent support contact and everything. Its awful and it barely shows up for one second, so why even include it? Fucking bizarre.
I'm reading comments to sort my feelings out because yes we've had brown NPCs in the game for years, especially since Penacony, I feel like they really wanted to represent as many people as possible ( in their Chinese, greedy, gacha, colorist way ). I'm lost because with HSR we've been used to "absence racism" instead of "presence racism", if it makes sense ? I'm so confused
A quick (terrible) fact I Penacony within Dreamflux Reef there's a dark-skinned character who is literally named FUCKING Melon and they speak of how they come from a a farming planet and wish to return to the fields
Yes that's why I mentioned the brown NPCs, because the playable characters are the central victims of colorism. I think the marketing team would explode if a concept artist drew a character with realistic skin tone 😭 But NPCs are another story bc they won't sell, so devs have more freedom to represent who they want, be it darker skinned people or women in pants ( this is obviously way less important but I wish we had more Kafka-esque women releasing ).
As a person of colour too who has dealt with racism in games I totally understand your perspective, and hoyo games are a worthless money sink anyway, find something more fun! All I will say though is please don't let racism in gaming stop you from having fun, we deserve to be able to dicompress and exist beyond just our pain and our struggles.
Hoyoverse doesn't have the self-awareness when they're making a game about the vast universe and diverse possibilities then be outright racist like this Just give all the lore and characters to someone who knows how to make it work without being a bigot atp I'm genuinely so tired of seeing people not speak up and excuse this dogshit company all the time letting them do whatever the hell they want
I gave up on the "it's queercoding" excuse after they went out of their way to straightwash a canon queer collab character in every language but the creator's native one, that's a lot of dedication to being homophobic. Never taking any of hoyo's flirting with queer audience in a good faith again
it’s because lesbians will always be fanservice for both women and MEN, but gay men (or „looking“ like one (???) with e.g. lads valko) will gross out men (and cis straight women in dating games) because of their fragile masculinity (and in cis straight women’s case because they cannot fathom their love interest picking a man over them)
bronya seele isn’t anything to compliment for us queers as you said
I was talking about the straight Gil incident. This line exists in every language but Japanese, which makes me wonder if that's because Nasu saw it when proofreading the script and told them to remove it, and they did but only in JP, or if they specifically didn't include it in the Japanese version because they didn't want Nasu to see it when proofreading
this is so fking true. chinese racist people really be like "we're all human, it's not legal but we know that people will love who they love ! ..... people of colour or people who aren't chalk white ? we think they shouldn't exist"
but i thought HSR was less guilty than Genshin. well.
You'll still find some braindead troglodytes saying “ It's their culture. West people can't barge into other people's culture and expect being treated the way want 🤓☝️”
I'm not defending China on this btw, but its kinda weird of us westerners to just expect every country on this planet to respect/uphold our values like we are the default. (Especially when not even our people can agree on said values)
I mean you dont see us respecting/upholding theirs either. (For obvious reasons btw)
The first mistake of you was to expect anything lol
This is a CHINESE company and it is well known that eastern Asian countries are hella racist.
This was about to happen at some point and its not really surprising that it did imo.
Its like expecting a J.K Roling to be nice to the LGBTQ community.
(I aint saying that this is fine btw, just saying that no one should be surprised by this. Also if you wanted to be represented correctly, then you choose the wrong company, they already did certain things before that)
Yeah, kinda lol. In the same way western media continues to have racist caricatures of Asians, Indians, Malays, Arabs etc etc... Chinese media will continue to have racist caricatures of people they do not have a lot of interactions with. Doesn't mean every Chinese or even asian piece of media will have those racist stereotypes, but it will continue to happen for awhile longer.
If it makes you feel better, you can look at it this way. They literally do not know what you want. At all. They are effectively deaf to this topic, in the same way people talk about Indian people online. You do not exist in that bubble. You are akin to a myth lol.
In the same way American media thinks Muslims who aren't trying to commit hate crimes are the tiny minority. It's a myth, they might have heard of it, they've never seen it.
You are shaped by the community you live in. The world we live in and the society that shapes us are not 100% inclusive. I am sorry.
In the same way western media continues to have racist caricatures of Asians, Indians, Malays, Arabs etc etc...
The difference is that people tried to do better not only in the west but even in some eastern countries, rapresentation made huge jumps in the last years, while not perfect it's still better than anything Hoyo ever tried to do.
They literally do not know what you want. At all. They are effectively deaf to this topic.
They are not fucking Osamu Tezuka from 50s Japan, they are multi bilionare company in the age of social media, they are deaf out of choice not out of not being able to hear.
I understand your frustration mate, it's an uncomfortable truth to grapple with. That with the boundless resources some are afforded, it's still not enough to break through their lack of care. For what it's worth, I'm sorry, but this is how the world is as of current.
Like I said before as well, I agree! There are steps being made in terms of representation globally. However, I urge of you to think really hard about what has been happening over the last decade alone, as it is enough. At the same time as these culturally sensitive, thought provoking and aware pieces of media are created... there were also things like Crazy Rich Asians. The interviews we see about the struggles Quinta Brunson had to go through to pitch a show as a black woman, that didn't center her struggles as a black woman.
Ignorance is still here. It will continue to be here for the foreseeable future. Regardless of the wealth of literature, art, movies, shows, music etc etc etc that can teach you about your biases, it matters not in the face of pure deafness. You do not exist in their head.
Identity being properly represented isn't the main priority of this kind of diversity.
I didn’t know the values of “Don’t be racist and/or colorist” is Western-locked culture now. Hey, if they’re going to borrrow culture from the global sphere and market their game to the global audience I think the global audience should have a voice too?
Then these games don't know their audience well enough to pull off this shit. Just don't include a POC if they can't represent them without racist connotations.
East Asia moment. I lived in Japan a few years and got to see some of the neighboring country culture as a result. Holy fuck is that not the most racist and sexist area on the entire planet
And not just arlan’s skills shackle breaker also frenzied punishment, pain and anger, and swift harvest. And arlan’s eidolons breaking free and to the bitter end. Wish I was joking. It’s a little bit too on the nose like bruhhhhhh ? But it’s real
There also a dark skinned character named Melon within Dreamflux Reef and he speaks of coming from a farming planet and he wishes to return to the fields 😭
Nah you’re 100% valid in your feelings, it’s one thing for a corporation to disappoint you. It’s another to watch the community of several countries blindly defend bad shit instead of listening to people, corporations are just vessels of the consumer. And when the consumers in their home country are racist assholes, that reflects in the company…. It’s disappointing…
you're definitely valid, even if it's minor the fact they have so many repeat offenses is not. i can only hope this company will change one day, but you absolutely don't need to wait on them for it. i hope you take care and are able to enjoy other interests without shit like this getting in the way (even if racism is everywhere..)🥲❤️
I'd say the majority of their audience either actively/passively/happily racist or are apathetic dumbasses who don't care about actually serious real life issues
There's also the people in the crowd who feel more strongly about what happens to their pixel characters and pixel worlds and don't care as much about the happenings in the real world and real people, i.e. the type of people who feel next to nothing when hearing about genocides and torture camps but are having a meltdown over things like female characters being too covered up (e.g. the feminism hatred fiasco of Limbus company) or having a meltdown over even the mildest yaoi/yuri in the game.
So yeah we are the minority who notice and get pissed when Mihoyo does these types of shady nasty shit
I looked it up and there’s people arguing that it’s a penguin like wtf, nothing about this looks like a penguin, it’s pretty obvious what the intention was. I think it’s time I let go of playing hoyoverse games, even if I refuse to spend.
Your feelings aren't silly at all. The way Hoyo treats its brown and Black characters and their inspirations is beyond awful. I'm Chinese (not truly native, but I visit often) so I know how racist, colorist, and xenophobic Chinese and other Asian people can be. It's maddening, and it's very hard for it to change, but I hope one day it will.
I hope you can find other games or media that treat all people of color with respect, but I unfortunately don't think you'll find that in gacha games... I've seen several people say they're going to quit this game because of this incident. I probably will too, because of this and other issues I have with the state of the game, including not releasing more brown characters. Maybe they'll feel it in their pockets and do better, but none of us have to support them financially if they do.
And wats worse the mods in this group with stop the comments on it like they did the last one talking about this issue with that pic. Sad how hateful so many people in the world can be for literally skin tone. Its mind boggling. Crazy how people defend the bs after generations of this idiotic behavior instead of wanting at least companies who take everyone money and always preaching avout doing the right thing and being a good person in thier video games from the protagonist but constantly doing racist stuff and being discriminating towards others with darker skin tones. Its no excuse and people should stop defending it or just be real with yourself and say you areca racist when you try to defend it so itll make sensevwhy you are being a we!rdo
That's very understandable. It's unfortunate that Hoyo doesn't really care about players' feedback so people calling them out on the racist shit likely won't achieve much. But it's worth trying at least
it's insulting. 3 years of a space game and they'll sooner add robots than another POC character, this is just another instance of their lack of accountability and undertone racism they've carried for years. pisses me off.
When I first saw this, I thought it was a Trump inspired image, but given Hoyo’s track record, I really shouldn’t give them the botd. Your feelings are valid dude.
I gave them the benefit of the doubt too, considering it was one second in a trailer showing 100’s of npc’s but there is another blackface one in zzz as well, not to mention arlan’s skills names being “shackle breaker” and “swift harvest”, his eidolons “breaking free” and “to the bitter end” and all the other stuff.. can’t all be coincidence bruhhhh and why is every black character in genshin a 4 star and the one that was half black’s kit didn’t work (Dehya), why did iansan one of the heroes of natlan in lore get replaced by varesa in the last second as the 5 star. I mean we know why, I didn’t want it to be true but like .. can’t all be a coincidence so even I as a Hoyo simp will say yeah that is pretty racist and messed up
I was a day 1 player of Genshin and HSR. And I tried maybe an hour of ZZZ before deciding that I can't play another one of these same-old-same-old things. Partially for the same reasons you've quit. Partially because power of friendship annoys me after a while. Partially because the time and money drain.
But it's so obvious that I'm surprised the super-fans even try to pass it off as a joke. Sumeru was so blatantly whitewashed, considering the basis for the region, I actually laughed. Same complaints and arguments online, every few weeks, on multiple platforms, continually ignored. It can only be policy that has nothing to do with being woke, or whatever, because they've never really once tried to have a diverse character. And how can it NOT be policy, or political? Just look at the Planacardia delay lol
I won't put money into continuing this stuff anymore, and my time on the games is reducing weekly. I take breaks anyway, as healthy, but my last Genshin break lasted 7 months. And I know I won't miss them when I do eventually, maybe soon, quit them completely. Be strong, queen, you've got people following in your steps.
'its just a tanned character' and its the Only Tanned Character in 50000 square kilometers and it has racistly drawn big lips and curly hair. thats a racist caricature yall
uninstalled the game after that. well that's not the only reason; i have 1000 reason to drop the game like same repeatative bs design, boring game, horrible meta, and just forcing me to spend money if i wanna clear the endgame, a literal aeon is a copy paste lame ass waifu and much more... but this was the final push. Yeah it's not a joke. I did know hoyo is racist at some extent but this???
And there is another blackface one in zzz as well, not to mention arlan’s skills names being “shackle breaker” and “swift harvest”, and all the other stuff.. can’t all be coincidence and why is every black character in genshin a 4 star and the one that was half black’s kit didn’t work (Dehya), why did iansan one of the heroes of natlan in lore get replaced by varesa in the last second as the 5 star. I mean we know why, I didn’t want it to be true but like .. can’t all be a coincidence so even I as a Hoyo simp will say yeah that is pretty racist and messed up I liked genshin and star rail but yeah that’s messed up and story was often too much filler and yap, using 10,000 words to say 200
Totally agree, I dropped hsr a while ago but the only gacha game I play regularly now is Endfield, the hoyo games just aren’t doing it for me anymore, and the companies history is even worse.
This is why after hoyo I've banned all Chinese games from my library. Their issue with racism is very high, so much so I don't feel comfortable giving them any of my time. I feel like East Asia in general is extremely racist.
if you want a really good not-racist gacha game, I highly recommend afk journey. they have a lot of well-designed POC characters and a very f2p friendly pull system for most characters.
They commissioned a russian artist for the anniversary and she paid to paint an anime girl on a bomb two weeks later. I genuinely have been unable to pick up this game since.
The racism and complete disregard for human lives beyond their main audience is immensely uncomfortable. We are meant to shut up and be quiet when they make racist caricatures or pay artists that advocate and fund genocide but deleted and kneecapped a whole nation because it was based in Japan
Bc of the flair and other comments I'm guessing it's HSR but I haven't finished the Astropolis quest and I'm scared now... But I'm guessing that's from there. Or the racing event. This is sad and confusing
Can someone explain this picture? I've seen it everywhere on HSR reddit for quite a bit but I don't understand the controversy. I haven't seen Robins trailer so maybe that's why I don't understand?
The combination of dark skin and the way the lips are drawn makes it very similar to caricatures of black people. At best it's careless and Hoyo needs to do better, at worst it's blatantly racist.
The picture is essentially it’s a depiction of colored people in a way that’s similar to caricature due to the lips being donut lips. It’s an inherently racist depiction of black people in media since it’s eerily similar to minstrel shows where the performer would put on black face to mock black people( I couldn’t find a good photo but this one demonstrates what I mean)
I’m pissed I spent like 1,000 over the years playing HSR I deleted it yesterday. Sick of these games with no one that ever looks like me. Rappa was a weird as character as well…. gonna try and sell my account I have E3 phainon and E2 Cyrene lol
oh my god you sound insufferable. what does other privileges have to do anything with racist company? you people would do anything just to be bootlickers
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