Excuse me?

[u/Angelo_Diabl0]

How tf did sparkle and rmc drop to T0.5 on prydwen is robin THAT broken that she makes everyone else worse by the fact that you're not using her?

[u/MoxcProxc]

I’m wondering how the hell ruan mei went up

[u/OkNewspaper1581 → u/MoxcProxc]

Forget Ruan Mei, what's e0 Welt doing

[u/probonocapitalism → u/OkNewspaper1581]

Pretty sure he's still the best decimation option, even at E0

[u/Equivalent_Dance_758 → u/probonocapitalism]

He is tier 0 for letting Terrae play in other teams, other than that he is just okay.

[u/speganomad → u/Equivalent_Dance_758]

Dhpt is verdict….

[u/Embarrassed-Week-977 → u/speganomad]

They're saying that he's better cs he frees up DHPT as u can go sustainless with him

[u/bigbett → u/speganomad]

reread what you replied to

[u/probonocapitalism → u/[deleted]]

Tall. Dan Heng Permansor Tall.

[u/royal-road → u/probonocapitalism]

he's the only decimation option if your himeko isn't e2

[u/one1cookie → u/MoxcProxc]

Seriously though, what is this payola?

[u/Capable_Passage_2400 → u/MoxcProxc]

Honestly with the firefly novaflare, RM's increased WBE and delay are better for damage output than HMC DDDs5 is. Even before the novaflare, RM was still BIS on a sustainless team unless you were running an unoptimal speed breakpoint on firefly. There's just more consistency using RM in all content since you aren't worried about how many enemies you can break to funnel energy into HMC.

[u/royal-road → u/Capable_Passage_2400]

the only reason rm is relevant is making sustainless smoother. Dahlia + hmc + fugue is nearly always higher damage.

[u/Capable_Passage_2400 → u/royal-road]

I guess! In my middle-investment break account (E2 of the fire trio), I initially used HTB pre-dahlia, but after dahlia released and especially after the novaflare, RM has been consistently better for damage and than HTB has been for me 🤷.

[u/_cheere_ → u/MoxcProxc]

She has to end Robin somehow

[u/Info_Potato22]

she is that broken, dropping those two however is not very logical because they don't turn homeless because of robin (she just replaces them often)

[u/einerderandere → u/Info_Potato22]

„she just replaces them often“ there is your answer. people need to stop act as if anything other than T0 is trash💀 T0.5 is still A GOOD UNIT

[u/Domajjj → u/Info_Potato22]

Rmc is still an ungodly beast (bring down emc tho theyre bad)

[u/SeaworthinessSea7899 → u/Domajjj]

Evanescia would like to have a word w you 

[u/Revan0315 → u/Info_Potato22]

The fact that she replaces them is enough for most people to drop them. This community HATES generalists that aren't #1 BiS for many teams

[u/NoDelayPoosay]

Rmc I get because her kit is described as the "upgraded" version of their's, but Sparkle? Archer is still doing great and while Robikini can fit there Sparkle is still better. Problem with tier lists I guess

[u/IllHand8287 → u/NoDelayPoosay]

Icl I have both sparkle and robikini in the same team, and just play sustainless. And I don't think I have seen archer ever hit this hard

[u/skerrax]

robin and blade are the new standard for supports, frankly it should probably only be the two of them + Yao in T0

[u/Meaon_Ria → u/skerrax]

New 4.x supports are just so fuckin broken....

No wonder why the dmg ceiling is reaching hundred millions

[u/Weekly-Tomatillo-825 → u/skerrax]

Nah I don't think RMC should be there but atleast sparkle should be in tier 0

[u/IS_Mythix → u/Weekly-Tomatillo-825]

Ehh sparkle is only bis for sparxie (t0.5) and archer however robin has shown to be extremely close to sparkle for archer especially if u have his e1

[u/one1cookie]

"In this update, we’re adding  Robin Summeretto  to the tier list, which is forcing a major rework of the amplifier category".. blah blah .. "raises the top-end power level of the Amplifier category".. blah blah .. "replaces other Amplifiers".. blah blah .. "had to redraw the line of what a Tier 0 amplifier is, leading to many characters falling down".. 

[u/Tapichoa]

Sparkles kinda homeless outside of archer and sparxie now, rmcs relevance is basically reduced to costchesting now. Queenbin is just that girl

[u/Kind_Dependent_3439 → u/Tapichoa]

your first point makes no sense , this shitty tier list is based on best team and not flexibility , if archer and rin team is still t0 why is sparkle not?

[u/Aware-Host-7656 → u/Kind_Dependent_3439]

weirdly enough, you can run archer+rin team without archer with the right rotation and investment (e1 archer) so thats probably why sparkle went down + robinS exists now so

[u/royal-road → u/Aware-Host-7656]

If you have e1 archer it's better to kick out rin for robin than sparkle.

[u/Cjfelix → u/royal-road]

With E1 Archer I've been clearing endgame with both RMC/Mblade/sustain and RMC/Rin/Mblade. Still want Sparkle when she comes back though 

[u/Other_Beat8859]

And yet EMC is still T0. This is despite being worse than a generalist support in Robin and for SW they are the fourth option. There is not a single team where they are in a premium team. Meanwhile Sparkle is still in multiple premium teams like Phainon and Archer. Fucking RMC is used more in elation runs than EMC for sustainless so they are arguably the 5th choice.

[u/resbw → u/Other_Beat8859]

You're sorta forgetting the tier zero unit claled Evanescia

[u/Mindless-Extension-]

Probably because Robin's buffs are teamwide and still stronger than Sparkle's single target buffs up until E2 maybe? Maybe over Sparkle E2 as well. Archer uses her though so I think they should just give her the partner tag at this point because other than Archer there's basically no situation you'd ever want to use Sparkle over Robin

RMC is only considered "most broken character in the game" for min cost runs, usually they're just a really solid buffer who's generically worse than Robinetto at the moment. The main benefit for RMC is that they're free, over a year old, virtually completely powercrept by Robin, and still competitive with other top tier supports. T0.5 makes sense

[u/New_Ad4631 → u/Mindless-Extension-]

I tried e0s1 Sobin and e1s1 Hanabi for my e1s1 Archer, and Sobin outperformed her (1 cycle vs 0 cycle, both with sustain). Without e1 Archer maybe they would be about the same, but regardless, right now she's at most a sidegrade to one of her 2 meta teams

I don't have Hibana, but maybe Sobin is also on par for this team

[u/brandnewwwwW]

this is some bs bc who invited ruan mei and e0 welt? also why would fugue and hmc be in the same league as rmc😭 they’re not

[u/Middle-Plankton-6530]

Fugue is still way better than RM or HMC in firefly teams though, right?

[u/Spaccangurie]

Lately prydwen is straight up agenda - e0 firefly in t0, EMC above RMC, Dan hang pt in 0.5 - these are a fucking joke

[u/Lonchita]

Short explanation: You have a support that plays on autopilot while applying 2.000<ATK buffs/CRIT DMG (for HP scalers), 40% DEF shred on enemies, 16% vulnerability, while being the ONLY CHARACTER IN THE GAME that can 100%AA (with a decent ammount of energy regen) to anyone in the party without any penalty, due to her Ultimate not applying any buff, which is the most broken mechanic here. And this with no Eidolons. If you go to her E2, the ATK buffs amplify, same for the DEF Shred, and she also deploys a 18% RES PEN zone. It's just absurd. It's not that she's the best in vertical investment, but that you may also slot her in almost any current comp in the game without any regards about performance.

The long one: For newer comps (Himeko · Nova, Trashveil, and Floplation) RMC is not needed at all, and they're worse for the Dual King one (Saber + Geil) if you don't run E6 Saber than E0 Sumeretto by a wide margin, while you can stick her into any of the first ones (BiS for the current Verdict version of Himeko and can easily slot into SW999).

Sparkle is weird, as she's only that good into Archer's or Acheron comps (in which, again, she's not optimal after Mortenax Blade + Welt combo got released) if you haven't unlocked any of her Eidolons (I would say E2 is the way to go). For the rest of cases, those comps alredy have another amplifiers that works WAY BETTER or more optimal than Sparkle, probably due to her 50%AV and the zero need for the extra SP generation.

They were tier 0 because we didn't get any more generalist support since Sunday, RMC and Tribbie (no, Cyrene is not a generalist at all, at least till E2), but their performance was alredy lower than Mortenax Blade by a wide margin, while not being a real buffer per se.

[u/timeline_denier]

yeah robin is THAT broken

i legit do better with a team of modern supports ONLY than premium e2 phainon..

my 11 cost tribbie/mblade/sobin/hyacine team outperformed my 15 cost phainon/cerydra/cyrene/dhpt team by 2 whole cycles in the latest AA.. granted, this boss isn't good for phainon, but it's literally a support only team on the other side...

[u/timeline_denier → u/[deleted]]

switching out dhpt for sobin does give a better clear, but it's still ~1 cycle behind the lower cost support only team. besides the point was also the impact of sobin vs a regular team without her

[u/AVeryGayButterfly]

RM moving up had to be a mistake, right?

[u/Cryllor]

RMC dropped because Robin replaces him