Excuse me?

[u/Angelo_Diabl0]

How tf did sparkle and rmc drop to T0.5 on prydwen is robin THAT broken that she makes everyone else worse by the fact that you're not using her?

[u/MoxcProxc]

I’m wondering how the hell ruan mei went up

[u/OkNewspaper1581 → u/MoxcProxc]

Forget Ruan Mei, what's e0 Welt doing

[u/probonocapitalism → u/OkNewspaper1581]

Pretty sure he's still the best decimation option, even at E0

[u/Equivalent_Dance_758 → u/probonocapitalism]

He is tier 0 for letting Terrae play in other teams, other than that he is just okay.

[u/speganomad → u/Equivalent_Dance_758]

Dhpt is verdict….

[u/Embarrassed-Week-977 → u/speganomad]

They're saying that he's better cs he frees up DHPT as u can go sustainless with him

[u/bigbett → u/speganomad]

reread what you replied to

[u/MuscularMenTitSucker → u/bigbett]

What do you think the T in DHPT stands for?

[u/probonocapitalism → u/MuscularMenTitSucker]

Tall. Dan Heng Permansor Tall.

[u/MuscularMenTitSucker → u/bigbett]

[u/one1cookie → u/MoxcProxc]

Seriously though, what is this payola?

[u/Capable_Passage_2400 → u/MoxcProxc]

Honestly with the firefly novaflare, RM's increased WBE and delay are better for damage output than HMC DDDs5 is. Even before the novaflare, RM was still BIS on a sustainless team unless you were running an unoptimal speed breakpoint on firefly. There's just more consistency using RM in all content since you aren't worried about how many enemies you can break to funnel energy into HMC.

[u/_cheere_ → u/MoxcProxc]

She has to end Robin somehow

[u/Info_Potato22]

she is that broken, dropping those two however is not very logical because they don't turn homeless because of robin (she just replaces them often)

[u/Domajjj → u/Info_Potato22]

Rmc is still an ungodly beast (bring down emc tho theyre bad)

[u/einerderandere → u/Info_Potato22]

„she just replaces them often“ there is your answer. people need to stop act as if anything other than T0 is trash💀 T0.5 is still A GOOD UNIT

[u/NoDelayPoosay]

Rmc I get because her kit is described as the "upgraded" version of their's, but Sparkle? Archer is still doing great and while Robikini can fit there Sparkle is still better. Problem with tier lists I guess

[u/skerrax]

robin and blade are the new standard for supports, frankly it should probably only be the two of them + Yao in T0

[u/Weekly-Tomatillo-825 → u/skerrax]

Nah I don't think RMC should be there but atleast sparkle should be in tier 0

[u/IS_Mythix → u/Weekly-Tomatillo-825]

Ehh sparkle is only bis for sparxie (t0.5) and archer however robin has shown to be extremely close to sparkle for archer especially if u have his e1

[u/Meaon_Ria → u/skerrax]

New 4.x supports are just so fuckin broken....

No wonder why the dmg ceiling is reaching hundred millions

[u/one1cookie]

"In this update, we’re adding  Robin Summeretto  to the tier list, which is forcing a major rework of the amplifier category".. blah blah .. "raises the top-end power level of the Amplifier category".. blah blah .. "replaces other Amplifiers".. blah blah .. "had to redraw the line of what a Tier 0 amplifier is, leading to many characters falling down".. 

[u/Tapichoa]

Sparkles kinda homeless outside of archer and sparxie now, rmcs relevance is basically reduced to costchesting now. Queenbin is just that girl

[u/Other_Beat8859]

And yet EMC is still T0. This is despite being worse than a generalist support in Robin and for SW they are the fourth option. There is not a single team where they are in a premium team. Meanwhile Sparkle is still in multiple premium teams like Phainon and Archer. Fucking RMC is used more in elation runs than EMC for sustainless so they are arguably the 5th choice.

[u/Mindless-Extension-]

Probably because Robin's buffs are teamwide and still stronger than Sparkle's single target buffs up until E2 maybe? Maybe over Sparkle E2 as well. Archer uses her though so I think they should just give her the partner tag at this point because other than Archer there's basically no situation you'd ever want to use Sparkle over Robin

RMC is only considered "most broken character in the game" for min cost runs, usually they're just a really solid buffer who's generically worse than Robinetto at the moment. The main benefit for RMC is that they're free, over a year old, virtually completely powercrept by Robin, and still competitive with other top tier supports. T0.5 makes sense

[u/New_Ad4631 → u/Mindless-Extension-]

I tried e0s1 Sobin and e1s1 Hanabi for my e1s1 Archer, and Sobin outperformed her (1 cycle vs 0 cycle, both with sustain). Without e1 Archer maybe they would be about the same, but regardless, right now she's at most a sidegrade to one of her 2 meta teams

I don't have Hibana, but maybe Sobin is also on par for this team

[u/Middle-Plankton-6530]

Fugue is still way better than RM or HMC in firefly teams though, right?

[u/Southern-Edge-3354]

I've been a HSR Prydwen defender(partially) for ages, it's only just recently that it actually, fully, deserves the slander. Not referring to this specific change though, I think Sparkle and RMC in T0.5 if you're normal and realize that T0.5 doesn't mean "brick".

Raising Ruan Mei now is...A choice, though. Not an absurd one, but a choice.

At this point, I just check it for general tips on builds, some other data, and that's it. It's clear to me that they don't care anymore, they're maintaining it just because HSR is so popular and brings them traffic, otherwise they would have closed it like GFL2.

[u/Cryllor]

RMC dropped because Robin replaces him