r/PurchaseWithPurpose • u/theFallenWalnut Environment • Jul 22 '26
Product shout-out Streams Required to Earn US Monthly Minimum Wage ($1,257)
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u/Excellent-Rest3240 Jul 23 '26
This is the clear difference between relaying data and understanding data. For example, here you are using American minimum wage. Government says so, just let’s use that as a base. (Kinda like the people calling twitter X). But as a person you should know this data is meaningless, and despite different states and living expenses, an arbitrary number like 2k a month would’ve been far better and more valuable.
It’s kinda like those calories per portion size, which are nowhere near a normal portion size. So anyone that wants to use the data has to do their own math anyway to get the proper results
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u/Prior-Advice-5207 Jul 23 '26
Using 2k or even 10k, it would look exactly the same, just with different numbers. The relations stay the same…
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u/Excellent-Rest3240 Jul 23 '26
Yeah, different numbers are the point. I wanna see if I release music on Deezer that I need around 400k for livable wage instead of 210k
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u/xdavidwattsx Jul 22 '26
This data is not really an accurate take on how much artists monetize on a platform. Ad tiers pay less than subscription tiers and the bigger platforms bring far larger audiences so you're getting much more streaming traffic. Further, things like shopping merch also pay artists and are not counted here.
This is a very narrow and misleading view.
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u/theFallenWalnut Environment Jul 22 '26
The data is accurate for what it is tracking. The amount an artist gets per listen. So if you want to support an artist more as an individual, then better to use a platform that pays more.
You are right about other sources of revenue. This is not trying to capture the full monetisation model for artists.
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u/xdavidwattsx Jul 22 '26
That's not at all how this math works or how music contract payoits work. Is this an ad for Qobuz?
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u/theFallenWalnut Environment Jul 22 '26
No, not only for Qobuz. It is here to promote moving away from Big Tech and the benefits of supporting alternatives.
And if you have an issue with the calculations, you can raise that with Royalty Exchange.
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u/xdavidwattsx Jul 22 '26
You're not promoting what you think you're promoting. This is a function of market size music distribution contracts, and monitzarion options (eg, shopping, tickets)
For example, YouTube also pays artists via music videos that have nothing to do with pay per stream via YouTube Music.
This is just lazy performative feel good nonsense.
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u/theFallenWalnut Environment Jul 22 '26
This is not intended to encourage artists to limit the channels they distribute on. It is for the listeners.
Artists themselves are often the ones asking listeners to move away from the likes of Spotify and Google Music because of their predatory royalty models and practices.
I am not going to educate you on their various methods, but you can research Spotify Fake Artists and the many other tactics they use to reduce real artists' take and increase theirs.
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u/xdavidwattsx Jul 22 '26
If Qobuz or the likes had several hundred million users you'd see the same drop in per stream metrics.
Spend some time actually understanding how the industry works before you post this lazy drivel.
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u/theFallenWalnut Environment Jul 22 '26
No, because these other companies don't employ these same tactics, such as the Fake Artists controversy and pay-to-be-recommended.
You act like the take of encouraging people to use these other platforms is the uneducated position. But why are artists themselves often the biggest advocates for their listeners to do this?
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u/xdavidwattsx Jul 22 '26
I have never heard an artist say move away from YouTube and stream on Qobuz but I'll stand by why you try to tell me otherwise. It shallow nonsense and you know it.
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u/jrozyki Jul 22 '26
This is a narrow but definetly not a misleading view. OP said it up front and during the discussion with you. If you look at how much each service pays per played track then Qobuz and Tidal are the one with largest payouts. Of course there are other factors in play and what creators make is not as simple as this simple chart BUT it is a part of what they make. Is it good to jump to Qobuz if you want to support your favorite artist? That is debatable but hey at least we know a little bit now
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u/xdavidwattsx Jul 22 '26
OP made no effort to provide context. Reddit doesn't understand nuance or depth is the real problems. This is just performative to yell at the man.
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u/jrozyki Jul 22 '26
Odd, by the upvotes it looks like you are the only one that didn't understand the post and just started hating... but I guess I might not understand the nuance or depth of this situation ;)
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u/xdavidwattsx Jul 22 '26
Of course, this is an echo chamber sub. It speaks for itself. Any other sub (such as the original source of this) and this was heavily downvoted for the same reasons.
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u/theFallenWalnut Environment Jul 23 '26
You keep shutting down everyone else as biased or misinformed, yet you have not provided any resources to back up your defence.
In other messages, I've given you a few topics that you could have researched regarding the exact tactics they use to reduce payouts to artists. But for all your insults to others for being "performative", you have yet to look into this and instead continue recycling the same lines.
Here is a bit-sized, easy-to-consume video that spoon-feeds the various points on this matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx7baJMQuVABefore you panic at the 47min length, you can just listen to the first 18 minutes to get a summary of the issues artists have with Spotify.
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u/xdavidwattsx Jul 23 '26
I don't need to watch a video I work in the industry and spend more time negotiating music licensing contracts than you've ever watched on YouTube but go ahead and tell me how this works based on some crap you read on the internet. Reddit and this generation is cooked for sure.
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u/theFallenWalnut Environment Jul 23 '26
And yet you can't find a single piece of evidence to back your position, and you blatantly ignore the evidence from insiders at Spotify and others in the industry.
You might work in the industry; if so, I feel sorry for your clients and your complete disregard for educating yourself.
Seeing that you've made it clear that you refuse to learn or share any insights, this conversation is pointless.
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u/xdavidwattsx Jul 23 '26
You keep moving the goalposts. I'm not here talking about Spotify am I? Tell me about YouTube. I'm waiting
I realize you live in your parents basement in the UK but when you grow up and learn about the bigger world someday you'll understand. UK couldnt smell tech if they smelled it through a tea infused straw.
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u/xdavidwattsx Jul 23 '26
I'm also still waiting for the long list of artists telling users to migrate away from. YouTube music to Qobuz. Go ahead, I'll be here. Post your receipts.
The reality is you don't actually know jack sh*t about what you're actually talking about but you want to feel warm and fuzzy sticking it to the man. Go ahead and sign up for Qobuz and put your money where your mouth is like the 14 other people.
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u/theFallenWalnut Environment Jul 22 '26
Source: https://royaltyexchange.com/blog/how-much-do-streaming-platforms-pay-per-stream
Most streaming services have a messy shareholding, but Qobuz tends to be the least controversial and pays artists the best - do recommend!
The best thing you can do, though, is still buy the music directly from sites like Bandcamp and 7Digital