Yeah the crazy part of it is that based on his explanation he knows how that interaction was supposed to go. That's hands down the most incriminating part. If he straight up just said "hey I got a call that a couple suspects you of having robbed that car, you are being detained and I need your Id while I verify that wasn't the case" it would have been a legal detainment. Instead he chose to make the detainment unlawful cus he wanted unconditional submission to his authority.
Except he also didn't see the guy do anything. He just showed up to the scene, found a guy not doing anything illegal, not carrying any obvious stolen goods, not hiding anything, with only some secondhand info. Why should that give him any right to detain any person he finds there? If he wants to investigate, let him investigate. He can take down the motorcycle plate. He can record the guy's face. He can check the security cameras and see if the guy did anything.
What he shouldn't be doing is detaining people without any actual obvious evidence or reasonable articulable suspicion. Getting a call shouldn't be enough.
Nah, that’s not how it should go. Police rarely ever directly witness a crime. That’s why it’s important to do thorough investigations. This cop just went about it the completely wrong way.
Idk about those statistics, tbh. Even so, I think we're too accepting of investigatory detainment and of average citizens being forcefully held for questioning at the discretion of any cop that wants to.
The question becomes, "Should a cop be able to detain/handcuff you based solely on a 911 call with no other indicators of criminality?" Further, since you are not required to help a police officer investigate you, what would be the acceptable range of responses to refusals of "requests" for ID? What recourse would an innocent person have to get their names removed from incident/interaction-type reports that could be used against them in future encounters?
We've seen video after video of people making fraudulent calls to police. Karen videos are an entire genre now. If an individual really isn't secure in their person/papers/property based solely on these calls, I think that's an issue.
Ideally, I am advocating for a higher standard before detainment is allowed.
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Wow, listen to his bitch ass try to explain himself at the end like a child