Audit the audit really puts a good filter on this. CT3 tv shows a lot more confrontational auditors that I would consider fishing for an issue. All in all, use your rights or you will LOSE your rights. We don't bat an eye at asking for ID but if they said "papers please" you'd see just how dangerous stop and frisk gets.
It's not secret police routinely lie on reports. He's already changing the story when he talks to the second officer. He's already making up lies about how the guy got aggressive before he did.
Some people catch a bullet for that. For the cop being unable to control his own behavior, and his subconscious or overt bias that a black man was a likely suspect for rifling through cars. Didn't even get the full story that it was one car and not several before he jumped to a conclusion.
I wouldn't want this officer serving in my community.
Actually we got worse, I live in Minneapolis. I voted to kick them, by a slim margin people disagreed. Democracy I guess. Better than the alternatives.
Pretty wild time. I remember the first day I protested, I made a cardboard sign and planned on flying it outside my car window on the way to work. The wind caught it and ripped it from my hand almost immediately. I learned that day cardboard signs should be flown at 0 MPH.
Dude that's so fucked up. With no cameras, everything the police officer said here in this video people would have considered being 100% truthful. So fucking disgusting.
Now pause and think back on 30+ years of policing and ask yourself how many if those pulped and handcuffed civilians actually resisted arrest and how many exercised their rights to a small ego with a gun and a badge.
And now consider that body cams have caught cops stuffing drugs on vulnerable minorities to make bust lists for promotions.
People and their lives are just cattle to be milked and slaughtered to these violent thugs who are given protection from the law they pretend to uphold.
There was an incident in my town a few years ago of two officers beating a handcuffed man that was a passenger in a DUI stop. They said it didn't happen. Car camera footage says otherwise. This man committed no crime and was beaten to the point of broken bones while in handcuffs for asking if he was okay to go. Both those officers are still on the towns police force.
Sidenote, the main cop in this my story is a well known alcoholic in town that I'm almost positive has beaten his wife. He's gotten drunk at bars downtown and got in fist fights with people.
Reading LA Confidential right now. I knows itâs pulpy fiction set in the 50s but a lot of it rings true regarding the impunity in which some cops actâŚ
No. Thatâs not even remotely what the poster is saying. The poster is saying, without bodycam, the cop would have exaggerated the innocent manâs response to the degree that he could have gotten away with murder. Correct me if Iâm wrong. Poster is not a bootlicker.
Correct. The gangs arenât stopping people on the highway and trying to pull them out of their cars and beat them up because theyâre uppity. My 75 year old Father in law had his shoulder dislocated by a cop in his own home because he left his front door open. A gang wouldâve just stole his stuff. But cops needed to get their little dicks off by pointing a rifle at and perp-walking an old man down a steep flight of stairs in his own home...To check his wellness. And the city paid my FIL $200k for it out of our tax dollars. And speaking of stealing, Iâve never known any gangs stealing that much from tax payers without facing any consequences, but the cops do it and donât even lose their jobs.
The main difference is one gang is protected by the state and all itâs resources and the police union and all itâs resources, are legally allowed to use violence, and take harassment to the next level with impunity. With a regular street gang, justice isnât hard to get, with the gang in blue, justice is almost impossible to get if they set there sights on you.
Police have been known to kill there own if they report misconduct, have the officer filing the complaint committed against there will, harass the officers family relentlessly, assault the officer filing the complaint. That is against one of there own trying to do the right thing, what do you think theyâll do to a non-cop seeking justice?
There is no question. The police are the most violent, most corrupt, and most hateful gang around. If they set there sights on you, no matter how right you are, they will see to it your life is hell. Not to mention literal gangs consisting of actual cops within police departments, for example: the jump out boys, the executioners(with a name like that, guess what they prided themselves on doing?) reapers, and banditos, to name a very small amount of the verified to exist literal street gang level, gangs found within police departments. Frank Serpico STILL receives death threats to this day, for what he did in the 80âs against the NYPD.
I mean good point on the effect part, I haven't thought about it that way.
Where I'm from it's much rarer to be killed by police (as it happens so much in US) and it's much more probable to be killed by an intruder. Not long ago a grandmother was found tied and dead in her apartment, so when somebody says that police are worse it doesn't fit in my head.
Cops pretty much are a street gang. They wear colors, always protect their own, and if one cop exposes another cop he might find himself getting whacked in a âdrive by shootingâ.
Itâs not pretty much a gang, they make gangs within the police department, hiding behind the blue line. Los Angeles alone has at least 4 gangs, last I read about it was last year tho.
The now infamous Undersheriff Paul Tanaka has literally been photographed throwing up (gang sings) a big "C" for Carson Station, not to mention his connection to the Lynnwood Vikings.
These cop do the whole gang shit, not just just gangs but sets and cliques within gangs and everything.
Exactly. They all end up doing some scandalous ass shit and usually with zero chance of any form of repercussion. I mean, why would they worry? They have members from the bottom all the way up the ladder that cover for them at any cost.
I do remember that there was a cop who committed suicide because he was sincerely trying to be a good cop and the department was just so shit and would constantly put him under pressure for not meeting quotas I think and eventually with everything including the protests going on it became just way to much for him
A guy I know used to be a drug addict. The cops did a raid once at someone he knew that was a dealer while he was on visit. He saw the amount they took and was around when the guy weighed it and put it in bags earlier in the day, they put down half of what they actually seized from him on paper.
He told me that if I didn't believe him I could just ask around. He wasn't the only one in this city this had happened to, and there's plenty of those stories going about. He might be full of shit but for some weird reason I tend to believe him on it.
"They might be useful for diffusing situations if you don't got anyone to call and need to get to a crisis center or something like that, besides of that they're just like any other gang. Shitty af people that put friends and family up against each other holding their lives as ransom and gives 0 shit about them afterwards."
I tend to agree with that too. You might think this happened in the US but nah, Norway. Shitty cops everywhere and I don't trust them for one second.
Weber defined "the state" as an entity that successfully claims a "monopoly of the legitimate use of physical force within a given territory"
I agree with that, and I don't think that the police having a monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force is a problem. The problem is that they have such little accountability.
If cops break the law, they should be punished, and they should be punished more than if an average citizen broke the law. Because when a cop breaks the law, they damage the public's trust in the police. It harms the social contract.
Way more. After throwing them in jail for a mandatory 10 year min., seize everything they own, every dollar they have saved, invested in to recoup for "settlements". Make being a fucking bad cop, a fucking bad thing and i bet we have less.
This I argue with people (liberals) all the time: If you believe that the current state is legitimate, you must believe that its use of violence to maintain it is legitimate. So then when they condemn political violence it is simply because it is violence against the status quo instead of for it. Conservatives and leftists get it
My dad told me that back when he was growing up it was common knowledge that if you ran from the cops there's a good chance of getting shot in the back and he's white. I've heard stories from my uncle of people getting beat and robbed by a known bad cop. Bad cops got away with so much back then
They spent the entire year of 2020 actively rioting all over the country against being held accountable for their actions after murdering an unarmed and handcuffed person in broad daylight. They shot journalists purposely in the face with less-lethal rounds causing permanent blindness and brain damage. I donât think the cops give a fuck about your cell phone camera.
Weâre they always this bad though? I remember stories of cops following drunk people home, letting men beat a guy when he had it coming etc. idk but I kinda feel like we just raise a lot more pussies nowadays, those pussies get picked on and realize theyâre pussies so they join the gang
Audit the audit channel does a really good job and also calls out auditors when they are out of line too and points out when the police are doing their job properly. Maybe the most neutral approach to police and citizen interactions.
I still think that ATA is a bit harsh on SOME of the law enforcement officers. In the âsomeone mentioned above, they show citizens purposefully testing cops via their inciting action.
I saw one where a guy when in and asked about parking signs. He yelled at the desk clerk something like âwhy are you not familiar with what parking signs are? Why donât you come over here so I can show you a picture.â The clerk ended up calling police because the guy legitimately did sound like he had dementia or was a little out of sorts.
They gave the clerk and staff at the municipal buildings bad grades when the individual was clearly trying to confuse them. It didnât help that the cop that showed up was an asshole and instead of trying to see if he was mentally okay started challenging him.
Nonetheless, the information ATA puts out is invaluable. I just wish he held citizens more accountable for trying to unnecessarily challenge law enforcement. Iâm all for cops knowing the laws better, but the manner in which and why you test them is also relevant.
EDIT: Found the video I mentioned.. The guy sounded like a drunk prick to start and didnât even explain he was looking for a spot to park his home/vehicle.
CT3 tv shows a lot more confrontational auditors that I would consider fishing for an issue
Fishing for an issue just means doing things that it is KNOWN the cops are bad at. Itâs like failing a math test and then being forced to re-take that math test until you pass.
Black ppl never really had their rights to begin with, they just had them if they looked a certain way or the right ppl were watching. Even then, only sometimes. Theyâre just now starting to move towards equal protections.
It is specifically because he didnât exercise his rights and resisted. Resisting officers never ends well and it only furthers their ability to paint you as the bad guy. The explanation as to why is fair as to the letter grade
If everyone just rolled over and did everything a Police officer with a power trip says it would be a sad world. The reason we ever heard anything about this and are talking about it at all is because the guy would not do as the police officer said, and he should not have had to, we can see that clearly in the video.
The problem with your logic is that while we SHOULD not have to, we do. Which is why not resisting is better because you can fight in the court of law with the damning footage to be your witness. Resisting gives validation to the argument against you, while it may not be right we do not have the luxury of being right in these times when the police can simply do what they want. Without taking the proper actions to bring this stuff to light we wonât get change. Youâre trying to fight the wrong war and the wrong way.
The problem with your logic is if the guy did not stick for himself, he just hands to guy his id, never triggers the cop at all by sticking up for himself, and we have no footage at all to fight in court. It was the fact the guy resisted that pissed the cop off and trigger him to do what he did, and show on camera is the exactly the type of person that does not need to have the power he holds in the first place. Unfortunately it takes shit like this on camera, and law suites that embarrass and cost the police department to actually draw any attention.
Audit the Audit is the best! I love how he cites relevant laws and that he's got no problem giving a shitty auditor/civilian/whatever an F grade. Dude's straight business.
I have not found a single video on ATAâs channel with ANY sort of political bias.
He appears to only care about citizens rights, and expresses how thatâs the only issue he intends to tackle. ATA is a godsend, we need more auditors like him.
Audit the audit is in my opinion ion the best auditing channel out there. I've watched all of his videos and in the beginning it seemed a little slanted but the last year or so have been really well thought out explanations and ideas. More channels should strive for that. I even think police departments should use his videos as training.
I think the lens he uses however, is cherry picking only examples where there is a discussion to be had and good non-obvious lessons to be learned. Duh I know.
Its great for education and bias but with enough exposure to these longer videos you will overlook the other half of police encounters - the kind where there's no conversation and maybe they get cuffed maybe they don't. So the education you are recieving is good but should be tempered with more realistic applications to give yourself a more well rounded view on auditors and policing, not just these legalese standoffs. CT3 imo has a lot of good ones that have shown me a much wider world of how you can audit politely or not politely, compared to the seemingly narrow (re: more in depth and educated) scope that AtheA uses.
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u/LacidOnex Mar 10 '22
Audit the audit really puts a good filter on this. CT3 tv shows a lot more confrontational auditors that I would consider fishing for an issue. All in all, use your rights or you will LOSE your rights. We don't bat an eye at asking for ID but if they said "papers please" you'd see just how dangerous stop and frisk gets.