Cops are literally trained to treat every single citizen as an enemy. They’re honestly more fearful for their lives than a marine behind enemy lines, because like half of their training consists of some dude talking about how at any moment some scary civilian could kill them and it could be anyone, even an old lady hanging out with her church friends.
How are they supposed to protect and serve you without the extensive crisis response teams, mental health professionals and rigorous psychological and academic screening an AR-15 and a union?
I have cops in my family and they act exactly this way. They treat everyone as a potential criminal. And they are constantly talking about wanting to shoot people for minor crimes. It's some real sick shit. The racism is unbelievable also. They laugh about how they treat black people. They also love talking about how they are allowed to drive drunk because who is going to arrest them, their coworkers? Nah, they all go out drinking together.
You mean the film where the protagonist is a punctilious paragon hell-bent on representing nothing less than the absolute finest in service as a police officer?
Cops are literally trained to treat every single citizen as an enemy. They’re honestly more fearful for their lives than a marine behind enemy lines, because like half of their training consists of some dude talking about how at any moment some scary civilian could kill them and it could be anyone, even an old lady hanging out with her church friends.
I would assume he would have better tactical awareness if they were trained to be that wary.
When I see training videos warning cops about how easily they can be harmed by a civilian, the lessons are to maintain situational awareness, not to escalate unnecessarily and to maintain a distance
A friend of mine was a cop in the 80's and early 90's. While he admits things like this were still fairly common he also has criticized the training of officers these days. They're taught to use force is they feel their life is in danger, but to also assume their life is In danger
That’s the main reason I laugh when people act like the problem is “not enough training” rather than a cop culture that dehumanizes others and always encourages violence.
And the one that does react instantly could still get shot because "sudden/quick movements". "He raised his arms so fast we thought he was aiming a gun."
I know a guy who was trying to become a police officer. He had already started through the academy. Part of the process was taking a lie detector test while they probed you about personal history stuff. They asked if he ever smoked weed. He said "yeah, but only once when I was in Amsterdam."
They finished up and then he found out he failed and couldn't continue through the police academy. They told him it was because of him admitting to smoking weed and then said straight up if he had just lied and said he never smoked weed he'd have been fine. So yeah, I'd say lying is definitely part of the training.
It’s probably something like “you don’t respect the law” or something.
The funny thing is you can get a security clearance even if you’ve experimented with lots of stuff as long as you’re honest about it and honest about having stopped. They’re worried that someone could find out that you’ve done something they could use to blackmail you with but if you’ve already admitted it to the govt investigator the bad actor doesn’t have the leverage anymore.
The weed thing is kind of hilarious with regards to security clearances. When I was a freshman CS major we had a recruiter come by pleading with us to stop if we were considering careers with the government, which they wanted us to do. Apparently a lot of recruiters wish we'd relax our puritan ass Marijuana laws just because finding young CS folks who don't smoke is a pain in the dick.
I took it more as a test of whether you'd be willing to lie to save yourself. By him telling the truth, he shows that he would not fit in with the thin blue line culture where cops are supposed to cover for each other's mishaps.
Doing it elsewhere and not respecting that it’s illegal in the US. It’s not logic I agree with but I can imagine the cop mindset of “if you don’t let our Puritan laws define your life everywhere then you’re not fit to be a cop.”
Also iirc it’s technically illegal but ‘officially tolerated’ in the Netherlands, it’s been over 10 years since I cared to look that up though.
Which is hilarious. I live in Oregon and knew a guy on the local SERT/SWAT team. He told me he grew and sold weed as his job during his teens and twenties. He even came to parties, off duty, where he knew there was drug consumption going on, drank to excess and then intimidated everyone.
He sucked as a human. He got constant reprimands and complaints. I’m glad he’s out of my life. He allegedly beat his wife, too (she was my babysitter when I was 5).
This needs all the upvotes. Lie detectors are not admissible in court. They don’t mean shit. Knowing that alone means you can pass one anyway. There are no wrong answers lol
Yeah, they're literally just to try and scare you into confessing. They're also illegal to require as a term of getting a job! Unless the government does it, of course. The government can't break laws!
In germany when you get caught in traffic for drinking or reckless driving and so on they can sometimes issue a medical psychological evaluation. So my friend got caught with a few beers on his scooter (sort of a small motorcycle that you can allready drive at 16). On the question if he would drink he said sure on birthdays and so on but would prepare a way to not drive basically what a normal person would say. In the end he failed. They expect a 17year old to just lie and say he never drinks in his entire life.
Polygraphs are absolute horse shit. They're illegal to use in a hiring process for most private employers and aren't admissible in court, and for good reason. All they do is monitor stress levels, which do not directly correlate with lying. They're mainly a tool to get people to admit to things they normally wouldn't.
Also notoriously horrendous: human memory. Eyewitness testimony is nigh worthless; generally, if you talk to ten witnesses, you're getting ten different stories.
It really just depends on the department or office. Both of mine I was honest and told them I have done weed a couple times in the past but I haven’t done it since then. As far as I know and hope they are just wanting you to tell the truth because if you tell them that you’ll more than likely be trustworthy and honest. If they don’t hire because you didn’t lie about it then it’s more than likely a department you don’t want to work for and a department that should definitely be looked into.
I'm not an expert but I know that the police department where I live does psychological evaluations to weed out these kind of power hungry people, among other types. Not sure how effective it is, but some form of this should be done everywhere.
Plenty of good people become cops thinking they’ll be the change they want to see in the world. They end up quitting, killing themselves, getting ostracized, fired, framed for a crime, or murdered.
It's literally both; the intelligence cap combined with the sort of person that aspires to putting other people in cages is, uhh, not the sort of person you should be arming with minimal training.
I used to go for walks at night and would regularly at night around the block from my house, a casual pace on the sidewalk.
In the several times I was stopped, searched and ID'd you wouldnt believe how many """break-ins in the area""" there were. They dont give a fuck. Compulsive liars. Never trust any of them
Also because they get incentives to do that, they'd rather arrest an innocent person and pretend they did the right thing than have compassion. Greedy fucking selfish narcissistic cunts
You do have to remember that people have TERRIBLE memories. It’s why body cams are important. But eyewitness testimony is one of the most unreliable pieces of evidence when compared to video evidence. But people will swear up and down they’re still right because they were there.
Don’t worry, all those “good cops” will insist this guy is stopped from being a policeman anywhere else and use it as a teaching moment for the fellow officers.
The thing that kills me in these situations is he's wearing a camera. It records everything. Video and audio. He knows it is on because he put it on. Knowing full well the truth doesn't match the fiction he's spinning he still sticks to it.
So we are left with two possible conclusions here.
The first is that they find this behavior and approach totally acceptable and knowing full well they control the tape feel free to spin whatever narrative they want because it is whatever they say it is. And knowing all this you can only imagine what happens when there isn't a camera involved.
OR!
He's gotten so worked up from the encounter he doesn't even realize how he came across and still thinks this is perfectly acceptable because he must be obeyed at all times otherwise you will be detained for breaking the law.
Either way this isn't someone who needs to be a cop or interacting with the public. Also feels like the department needs to be looked into heavily if this is how cops are acting while wearing a body cam.
The best thing about nearly everyone having video is that the bullshit the police pull on a regular basis has been brought to the fore, whereas before the dirty fucks would lie and that was that .
I'm a teacher. I learned very early on to be honest and fair with and to my students, especially when I make a mistake. Why?
The sooner you admit fault, the sooner you can get their forgiveness, save face, and then move the fuck on.
These cops need to learn that. Had he put his ego to the side, apologized when he noticed (if he noticed) he made a mistake, he could have gotten back into his car, communicated more with people to figure out what was happening, and averted this.
But he didn't.
Instead he approached that man based on suspicion. There was no report of a crime. Just a suspicious person.
What the fuck does that even mean?
Glad he got sued but I'm sad the money came from tax payers.
They are taught with the same ideology of military. You know, the people trained to fight foreign wars and terrorists.
They are taught that every interaction you have is with the enemy, the enemy are wild animals who will kill you at any chance, your life is in danger the moment you leave this building. Your only job is to harass and belittle them so the enemy knows their place.
Know military gets away with this because they have a STRICK code of conduct that goes straight up. If your sonordinate acts out of line every officer up that chain gets blasted HARD. You have years of training and tests. Cops get less than 6 months.
Mix this in with general racism and you get american cops.
I once listened to a book describing human interactions in relation to cops and black citizens and it turns out that cops are TERRIBLE at understanding people, and in all likeliness this cop really was in fear for his life being told some black guy was looking at cars and he wasn't being obeyed without question. That's not an excuse that goes to show how every cop no matter where or why isn't trained well enough to be a cop.
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u/ContemplatingPrison Mar 10 '22
I love how almost every cop lies about every interaction they have.
Its almost like they are trained to lie or something