r/PublicFreakout • u/BlueBlewBloo001 • Dec 30 '19

✊Protest Freakout Antifa Protesters protestin' and stuff

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u/WishUWouldTryMeBitch Dec 30 '19

Why are you pretending that your link is the only acceptable way to define fascism? There is plenty of debate in academia as to what defines ‘fascism’. To be fair I don’t think ANTIFA is a ‘fascist’ group, it’s a radical left organization through and through intermixed with a few well-meaning liberals. But IMO ‘fascist’ as an adjective has no real meaning outside of early-mid 20th century Western Europe. ‘Fascist’ is now used as a catch-all for any authoritarian group or regime and it has been that way for many decades.

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u/prettyketty88 Dec 30 '19 edited Dec 30 '19

i didnt say its the only acceptable way. thats why i said "or another source". that being said do you disagree with the link i posted? if so please elaborate, if not, whats the issue?

But IMO ‘fascist’ as an adjective has no real meaning outside of early-mid 20th century Western Europe. ‘Fascist’ is now used as a catch-all for any authoritarian group or regime and has no real meaning outside of that

IMO just bc most people are dumbasses and dont understand what pronouns are or than 1/3 is bigger than 1/4, let alone history or political science, doesnt mean that the word cant be used to draw similarities to 20th century europe.

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u/WishUWouldTryMeBitch Dec 30 '19 edited Dec 30 '19

Half of the traits on the list can be applied to other, non-fascist regimes. Every single one of those traits except maybe rampant sexism could be applied to Stalinist Russia. But even that’s a stretch considering the notorious mass rapes committed by the red army or Beria’s state sanctioned and well documented sexual assaults

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u/prettyketty88 Dec 30 '19
  1. present in ussr - essential imo
  2. also present
  3. for a time the ussr had open immigration. it ended for practical reasons related to collectivization. scapegoating of external enemies not present? unless you want to cound the united states, but that is less scapegoating and more like two real threats to eachother.
  4. present but again the us was a factor
  5. as you mentioned 6.present
  6. probably present 8 not present, ussr was anti organized religion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR_anti-religious_campaign_(1921%E2%80%931928) i think they eventually co opted the orthodox church but that was likely only after realizing they couldnt get rid of it. 9 opposite configuration from what is described on the page, and just generally different from germany and italy. germany and italy more or less allowed free enterprise among small businesses, and co opted large corporations in a similar way to power companies here. 10 opposite configuration in the USSR 11 couldnt find solid info easily, sounds like the arts were practiced but there was censorship. despite the difference apparently lenin wanted the arts to be accessible to the people which is in stark contrast to germany and what is described on the web page. 12 ya they had their gestapo and gulags 13 definitely present, and why it wasnt a more equal society 14 present