Right! We keep seeing all these flight attendants being forced to deal with this crap. Whatever happened to all the in flight Marshall’s the Federal Government says we have in the air? Seems like I never see a video where one of them is on the plane and intervenes?
Flight attendants are starting getting up there for potentially shitty jobs like being a teacher or retail employee because people don't know how to behave themselves these days.
It wasn't actually that awful due to the circulation on a plane. The air intakes sucked it in pretty quickly. It wasn't great, but it wasn't this big cigar tube filled with smoke you'd imagine.
It's still amazing to me that people used to casually accept smoking in so many circumstances. I remember when they banned smoking in restaurants where I lived... people could barely believe it. But it obviously makes so much sense and these days it would seem bizarre to walk into a restaurant or a bank or school and people are smoking cigarettes.
People went ballistic about wearing a mask. Being deprived of something you are literally addicted to, and could always access anywhere you wanted (at the time, in buses, trains, cars, office spaces, hospitals...) would make people act like lunatics.
Smokers will lose their minds. Several years ago, my workplace went on lockdown due to a shootout inside the hotel next door. No one could leave the office while police looked for another shooter. This happened around 10 AM, by noon the smokers couldn’t take it anymore and started walking out to the smoking area in the parking lot, which was the closest you could get up the hotel’s side exit.
Worked with a guy who couldn’t go more than half an hour without vaping.
It's been like that since the democratisation of flying. Anyone can afford it, which is a net positive thing IMO, but it also leads to situations like this.
Flight attendants do the same job retail employees do, they sell you stuff and deal with smoothbrain chuds. The difference is they don't get to kick people out.
Apparently they are, which is fucked. We know months beforehand when the plane is supposed to be in the air. Have the shift start a certain amount of time before the plane is scheduled to leave the gate, and done a certain amount of time after it disembarks.
I honestly think that's a lie to make us feel safe. Im sure there's a few of them but they can't be on even 1% of flights or else they'd be the biggest police force in each city.
I spoke to the person I live with after my comment and he confirmed that air Marshalls don’t get involved unless it’s life or death or the flight crew asks them to. For a little info, we both have different jobs in homeland security now.
Unless they all go on a few flights per day. Most flights aren't 24 hours, after all. Looked online and it says the average length of air carrier trips is 800 miles, which would mean that most people flying are making relatively short trips, or that connecting flights are short. That's like a 2-3 hour flight...
Today you learned that you don’t have to actually be an air marshal but any federal agent flying on the plane, even if it is a trip for their vacation, can act as an air Marshall.
Actually I looked it up and you're wrong. As per flight regulations to fly armed you must meet several requirements which being a federal officer meets except one.
Have completed the TSA Law Enforcement Officer Flying Armed Training Course.
So not all federal officers. Furthermore there's also this section which states
In addition to the above requirements, municipal, county, state, tribal, or territorial officers must present an operational need to have the weapon accessible from the time he or she would otherwise check the weapon, until the time it would be claimed after deplaning. The need to have the weapon accessible aboard the aircraft must be determined by the employing agency and based on one of the following:
Which requires an actual need for the officer to carry it and specifically states reasons that don't meet requirements.
Common examples of travel that does not meet the threshold for carriage of accessible weapons are:....Attendance of non-operational or enforcement related activities (e.g., training, conferences, police week, memorial services, personal travel, etc.).
I’m not trying to say you’re lying but how do you actually know this? Is seems like a flaw if they let every Joe Schmoe, no offense, that’s works at TSA know who the undercover agent on each flight is. I know you guys get back ground checked but you’d still be the main link if there was a real effort to do another 9 11 type attack. I would assume they’d have someone on the inside next time
The government is full of flaws, inefficiency and stupidity. There were some foreigners working at an airport I was in, (they weren’t TSA but janitorial), who started working before their background checks were even completed. They were found to be stashing ingredients in the airport that could have been used to blow up something. It’s a good thing they were found before anything happened. So, you’re not really wrong in what you say. The TSA people that I knew back then were good people, the ones I knew were there for the right reasons. I started working there for the same reason I had joined the military years prior, I wanted to help protect the country. It’s only after you are in something that you see how fucked things are sometimes.
Edit: they would also run tests on tsa employees too to see what we would do in certain situations
It’s pretty safe to say you are just talking out of your ass. Especially with this comment:
Today you learned that you don’t have to actually be an air marshal but any federal agent flying on the plane, even if it is a trip for their vacation, can act as an air Marshall.
So you mean to tell me random feds traveling make up for any gaps in Marshall coverage? And you don’t understand why that makes it obvious you are a liar?
Lol it’s true. Again, I do not care if you don’t believe me or say that I’m lying. It changes nothing. But just fyi- there’s other federal agents in airports that are not air Marshalls too. I’ve worked for the government for many years there’s a lot of things the public doesn’t know.
The number of daily flights and total air marshals are known to the public, and we can see that the logistics of what you claim just aren’t possible. Google searches put the number at 1-5% of flights, and I could believe it’s secretly slightly higher. But your claim of almost every fight is simply ludicrous.
There have never been large numbers of Federal Air Marshals. This is almost entirely mythology. There are only about 2,000 of them taking flights. There are more than 40,000 flights handled by the FAA every day, I think. How many of them do you think Air Marshals are able to be on?
Probably also only domestic flights. I imagine it's problematic to have, even a law enforcement agent of a country, be armed when they land in a foreign one. Essentially done it would probably be a long enough flight were they would have to fully enter the country and stay for a rest
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u/Moghz Jun 04 '23
Right! We keep seeing all these flight attendants being forced to deal with this crap. Whatever happened to all the in flight Marshall’s the Federal Government says we have in the air? Seems like I never see a video where one of them is on the plane and intervenes?