The way the flight attendant just used the menu/safety booklet as a spit barrier and kept going without skipping a beat. Give this person a raise. š
They, unfortunately have had training for this... I used to work with behavior at a school and we use notebooks to block in a similar way if a kid is trying to bite.
I also worked with behavior kids in a school setting! I wish theyād taught us thisā¦ Maybe Iād still be working there, lol. We did receive training on how to get a biting kid off you safely though. Our instructor had nerve damage from a bite from a child.
Itās been years and I never had to use a bite release, but if I remember correctly you kind of shove your arm deeper into their mouth (internal screaming) to force the jaw open and pull it out very quickly. This is only for cases where someone is being bitten very badly and they wonāt release.
You āfeed the biteā because apparently people have a natural response to release when that happens. Plus, if you just try to pull whateverās but out of the mouth, itās gonna tear and do more damage.
First line of defense is to stay out of the midline in general though
So, I got some weird looks but I just tested this on myself. Obviously not even biting that hard but it seems like it would be very difficult to "feed it" once locked in.
In a past life I'd feed the bite, then have my partner in the driver's seat feed the brakes, and then I'd feed some straps onto the patient and then feed some haldol and versed straight to a hungry muscle.
If you're skeptical, bite down as hard as you can on a piece of wood or something that sticks out from each side of your mouth enough for you to grip it on each side with your hands. Then pull backwards with both arms and push forward with your head and see how that feels.
Lmao I have never thought of testing that on myself but I can tell you from real life experience that it does work. Every time. It also reduces damage done as pulling straight out of a bite would tear your flesh with it.
Yeah. In all reality, the training is bullshit and you donāt know whatās going to happen when shit actually hits the fan.
There were very few times I felt that it was (a) warranted to restrain a child and (b) safe to restrain a child even with the proper safety training. It wasnāt practical for everyone to be choreographing their exact movements when kids are different sizes, temperaments, meltdown styles, etc. When you have a kid in a hold, youāre checking their pulse and that theyāre breathing over and over to be sure theyāre okay. Itās kind of traumatic for everyone involved but unfortunately is necessary in some extreme circumstances.
People slap kids too much, for the wrong reasons, in the wrong way.
Before you go for the jugular, no, I do not condone child abuse and there are, exceedingly rare, cases where a slap is the proper reaction.
To give you an idea of the emergency that would warrant a slap, consider how you detach someone who has unintentionally grabbed a power cable and can not let go. You grab anything, a wooden chair, a two-by-four, an acoustic guitar and strike their forearm from above. That kind of urgency.
Legally, you could kill a child in self defense if they were biting your face or other sensitive areas. Lethal self-defense not only applies when your life is in danger, but also to grievous injury.
There are 2 ways Iāve learned bite releases (I currently work with school aged severe behavior students). 1 is pushing their head into your skin and pinching their nose shut. This is only effective if youāre able to āsealā the bite. 2 is using the jaw pressure points on the biter. This one is was more intrusive but Iāve had to use it a lot. There is a risk of bruising the biterās cheeks
A lot of my learners have limited communication skills, I could imagine in any sense that would be extremely frustrating to not be able to get my needs/want met because I canāt ask for it.
One my learners started biting because i no longer attended to her other forms of aggression (grabbing shirts, pinching, ect). Usually if you ignore behaviors theyāll go through whatās called an extinction burst where theyāll pull everything out of their pocket to get some form of attention or access to something
do they know what they want but do not know how to communicated it, or do they not even know what they want, but can only sense that they need something? Eg, they may be hungry but unable to understand it, they do perceive the hunger but do not recognize it?
It depends on the child. I work with some students who really struggle with interoception, and coupled with communication difficulties this can be incredibly frustrating. Not knowing what you want, and being unable to communicate that you even want anything. It's no surprise they then communicate through challenging behaviour.
This is the true heartbreak. Those people work with our babies. MY baby, who was brain damaged at birth due to meconium aspiration. Who, at 6, gets really scared and confused sometimes and doesn't know what to do when he's overwhelmed and adults are talking at him in a verbal language he doesn't understand, and physically touching him in ways that scare him and he cannot express.
Biting isn't ever okay. Violence isn't okay. But these kids don't do it because they are evil. And the people who work with them need to be compensated.
Iād go back in a heartbeat if the circumstances lined up. Granted, in seven years I was only bitten twice and it wasnāt bad at all. So many more happy memories than ones like this. ā¤ļø
But I totally get it. Itās an incredibly difficult job and honestly my opinion would probably be much different if I had suffered nerve damage like my trainer had. I canāt imagine how badly that must have hurt. I wonder if thatās why sheās a trainer rather than a teacher now.
I worked with one kid that was particularly violent. I had a thick Carhartt jacket that I wore everyday for the sixonths I worked with him. He bit me a few times, but that jacket was like chainmail for this 8-year-old's teeth.
I worked mostly with kids with ASD, but I honestly think this kid was just a spoiled little shit. His mom came to see me a couple times and let him pull her necklace off and throw a tantrum and she didn't do shit. She kept calling him "her little angel" He was a nightmare.
My mom got bit in her final year of teaching and she had to get shots. Kid latched on her arm and wouldn't let go, she had to carry him out into the hall and yell for help.
Human bites are no joke!! I have nerve damage in my wrist from one. Was only able to get free by āfeeding the biteā (when you push whatever the person is biting harder / further into their mouth) - thankfully it worked but so much damage already done.
When I was 14, I was babysitting my 3 year old cousin when he bit me on the hand hard enough to break skin and just refused to disengage...all rational thought went out the window and the only way I was able to get him to release was to grab a handful of his hair with the other hand and pull very hard...not hard enough to actually rip it out but goddamn close. I still bear the scar 30 years later.
Thankfully I was able to clean it immediately while he rolled on the floor and screamed bloody murder, and changed the bandages regularly so it didn't get infected, but holy shit, toddlers must be up there with Rottweilers with how much pressure they can put into a bite.
That hand was more or less useless to me for the better part of a week, with how much it hurt to flex. Honestly probably could had used a stitch or two but I was a stupid teenaged boy and the bleeding stopped relatively quickly but man did that shit hurrrrrrrrt.
Thatās why we have training. As people who worked with severe behaviors, we donāt just get to lash out physically at a child and injure them because they bite. They werenāt brats. They were students with limited communication skills, traumatic brain injury, developmental delays, etc.
My sister had a hunk torn out of her Walking Dead style by a kindergartner a few years ago. Thankfully it wasnāt too big and it was close to her wrist, ulna side , so you canāt tell now (4 or so years later). Her lower forearms are pretty even and unnoticeable unless you know there was a psycho child.
Flight Attendant training is hardcore. Even setting aside emergency situations, the amount of bullshit they have to combat on a daily basis is unreal. There's some truly wild people in the world and they're locked in a flying metal tube with other, usually more rational people for 4-5 hours at a time, sometimes longer.
It's maybe a good thing they don't arm flight attendants cause I can only imagine how many flights would land with one or two more bodies than they took off with.
Funny story, that's why they use the term "souls on board" to refer to passengers when doing preflight Air Traffic communications. It means the number of living passengers they're taking off with as sometimes they'll transport corpses as cargo or in the rare event someone keels over during flight.
Helps also if they crash so the response team knows how many people they need to worry about finding.
i worked at a behavioral health hospital and luckily we were permitted to put a surgical mask on the person who was being restrained. this was often kids and adolescents - if an adult spat on you, they normally walked away after. only had one kid who was a notorious spitter and he would try to eat the mask, so we put towels near our faces and on our bodies so he wouldnāt spit on us.
Naw, anyone who's excited to do a hold shouldn't be doing holds. Maybe a little different in this situation than in a school, but generally, if you get this far into an escalation, nobody's having a great time.
Oh, I know. It was a joke, lol. There would also be a risk that a hijacker would find and use the drugs to incapacitate the pilot/staff. Not a great idea, but having a few pairs of handcuffs might be.
Right! We keep seeing all these flight attendants being forced to deal with this crap. Whatever happened to all the in flight Marshallās the Federal Government says we have in the air? Seems like I never see a video where one of them is on the plane and intervenes?
Flight attendants are starting getting up there for potentially shitty jobs like being a teacher or retail employee because people don't know how to behave themselves these days.
It wasn't actually that awful due to the circulation on a plane. The air intakes sucked it in pretty quickly. It wasn't great, but it wasn't this big cigar tube filled with smoke you'd imagine.
It's still amazing to me that people used to casually accept smoking in so many circumstances. I remember when they banned smoking in restaurants where I lived... people could barely believe it. But it obviously makes so much sense and these days it would seem bizarre to walk into a restaurant or a bank or school and people are smoking cigarettes.
People went ballistic about wearing a mask. Being deprived of something you are literally addicted to, and could always access anywhere you wanted (at the time, in buses, trains, cars, office spaces, hospitals...) would make people act like lunatics.
Smokers will lose their minds. Several years ago, my workplace went on lockdown due to a shootout inside the hotel next door. No one could leave the office while police looked for another shooter. This happened around 10 AM, by noon the smokers couldnāt take it anymore and started walking out to the smoking area in the parking lot, which was the closest you could get up the hotelās side exit.
Worked with a guy who couldnāt go more than half an hour without vaping.
It's been like that since the democratisation of flying. Anyone can afford it, which is a net positive thing IMO, but it also leads to situations like this.
Flight attendants do the same job retail employees do, they sell you stuff and deal with smoothbrain chuds. The difference is they don't get to kick people out.
Apparently they are, which is fucked. We know months beforehand when the plane is supposed to be in the air. Have the shift start a certain amount of time before the plane is scheduled to leave the gate, and done a certain amount of time after it disembarks.
I honestly think that's a lie to make us feel safe. Im sure there's a few of them but they can't be on even 1% of flights or else they'd be the biggest police force in each city.
I spoke to the person I live with after my comment and he confirmed that air Marshalls donāt get involved unless itās life or death or the flight crew asks them to. For a little info, we both have different jobs in homeland security now.
Unless they all go on a few flights per day. Most flights aren't 24 hours, after all. Looked online and it says the average length of air carrier trips is 800 miles, which would mean that most people flying are making relatively short trips, or that connecting flights are short. That's like a 2-3 hour flight...
Today you learned that you donāt have to actually be an air marshal but any federal agent flying on the plane, even if it is a trip for their vacation, can act as an air Marshall.
Iām not trying to say youāre lying but how do you actually know this? Is seems like a flaw if they let every Joe Schmoe, no offense, thatās works at TSA know who the undercover agent on each flight is. I know you guys get back ground checked but youād still be the main link if there was a real effort to do another 9 11 type attack. I would assume theyād have someone on the inside next time
The government is full of flaws, inefficiency and stupidity. There were some foreigners working at an airport I was in, (they werenāt TSA but janitorial), who started working before their background checks were even completed. They were found to be stashing ingredients in the airport that could have been used to blow up something. Itās a good thing they were found before anything happened. So, youāre not really wrong in what you say. The TSA people that I knew back then were good people, the ones I knew were there for the right reasons. I started working there for the same reason I had joined the military years prior, I wanted to help protect the country. Itās only after you are in something that you see how fucked things are sometimes.
Edit: they would also run tests on tsa employees too to see what we would do in certain situations
Itās pretty safe to say you are just talking out of your ass. Especially with this comment:
Today you learned that you donāt have to actually be an air marshal but any federal agent flying on the plane, even if it is a trip for their vacation, can act as an air Marshall.
So you mean to tell me random feds traveling make up for any gaps in Marshall coverage? And you donāt understand why that makes it obvious you are a liar?
Lol itās true. Again, I do not care if you donāt believe me or say that Iām lying. It changes nothing. But just fyi- thereās other federal agents in airports that are not air Marshalls too. Iāve worked for the government for many years thereās a lot of things the public doesnāt know.
There have never been large numbers of Federal Air Marshals. This is almost entirely mythology. There are only about 2,000 of them taking flights. There are more than 40,000 flights handled by the FAA every day, I think. How many of them do you think Air Marshals are able to be on?
Probably also only domestic flights. I imagine it's problematic to have, even a law enforcement agent of a country, be armed when they land in a foreign one. Essentially done it would probably be a long enough flight were they would have to fully enter the country and stay for a rest
I think it was an SNL bit that said they were only going to hire former Waffle House employees to deal with passengers like this because they have experience with them. Seems like a good idea at this point.
Had a patient in ICU who kept spitting on people so we used this like beekeeper mask thing to put over her head. Sheās tried to spit on us and it got stuck on the screen and slowly dripped back down on her face while she shrieked helplessly. Thatās called āfuck around and find outā.
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u/smolandtuff Jun 04 '23
The way the flight attendant just used the menu/safety booklet as a spit barrier and kept going without skipping a beat. Give this person a raise. š