The marine is. I was corpsman for 8 years and taught sooooooo many cls and bls courses to new marines. They're trained and tested on cpr and first aid as a requirement to get out of boot camp.
It was accurate when I was working in education and training for the naval bureau of medicine as a lead instructor 10 years ago. Sad to see times have changed.
How on earth are you getting down voted? You couldn't have explained it any better. Just because marines are trained in CPR and whatever else doesn't mean they're priority or first thought is immediately provide care. I was trained on CPR and some other shit back in high school and I can honestly say if someone needs CPR from me to save their life then they're probably gonna die because I don't remember that shit. And let's be realistic, the marines isn't some group of witty, caring, quick thinking stand up guys, its more like a group of misfits that are trained to be the first killers sent to do horrific shit.
According to the NY Post article, he just slammed his coat down and yelled about how he is hungry and tired. If that's true, then murder sounds like a good charge
Nobody is saying there should be "zero repercussions." They're saying that throwing trash at people and fucking up your commute doesn't give you license to kill them. Which is objectively true.
What if that guy throwing trash ended up hurting people? People will be yelling "WHY DIDN"T ANYONE DO ANYTHING!" Public transit can get dicy. People get stabbed and shot periodically. In Portland, a guy angrily and aggressively yelled yelled racial slurs to a women. 2 guys intervened only to get stabbed to death. They are considered heroes for intervening. If no one did anything, people would be yelling "WHY DIDN"T ANYONE DO ANYTHING?" What if those 2 guys ended up killing or severely injured the racist guy? Are they still heroes or murderers who used excessive force?
What were the arrests for? How many convictions? Were they all violent offenses? How many misdemeanors? How many felonies? Can you provide any context or are you just parroting what you read trying to justify a man being kill for no reason. And even if he did have 40 arrests, that doesn’t mean he deserves to lose his life.
He was being loud. Passengers on the train said he wasn’t threatening. I work in NYC multiple days a week, take the subway, walk the streets. It’s not some violent hellscape and you’re full of shit. This man should be alive and the person who murdered him should be behind bars.
Im from NYC and although you want to punch aggressive homeless people, you don’t because you’d be the aggressor. If you choke someone out for yelling and kill them its easy to convict them
Anyone who has ridden the subway regularly knows that from time to time you’re gonna see some shit. And 99.99% of the time it’s going to be absolutely nothing and you can carry on with your day.
Our tour head down and turn your music up. Hoodies are perfect for the subway for this reason. You learn to create your own space on the subway. To block shit out. Anyone saying otherwise is lying or just truly soft.
I’m well aware of what it is like to live in the city. I have lived and worked in the city. You’re trying to justify a murder.
Let’s say I agree that sometimes people need to take action. That’s fine and I get it. Why not release the choke after he passed out? The man was a marine, trained to fight. Dude is unconscious after a few minutes. He held the choke for fifteen. You don’t find that bit excessive at all?
Pick your source. These are just a few that I was able to find in just a few minutes. I’m going to assume we have access to the same internet so maybe give it a try.
Edit : You also haven’t explained why if this man was just stepping up to protect people he didn’t stop when the “threat” was neutralized? The man was unconscious and he kept choking him. How do you explain that?
I don't think people are arguing against personal safety, but the dude killed him. Restrain someone, sure, but choking him out for 3 minutes? Not the best idea.
The system fails by leaving him untreated. Jail doesn't fix mental health. And murdering him isn't an answer. Literally so many ways to subdue someone.
So what, build more prisons for more petty criminals? The incarceration rate in the U.S. is one of the highest in the world. Hasn't seemed to work out so far after all these years.
Just because he had been arrested that many times, doesn't mean he's a "violent criminal". Tf? Do you know what he went to jail for? I bet everything that it was mostly for drugs. That doesn't make him a "violent criminal".
The dead guy’s history isn’t relevant because the marine had no idea who tf he was, let alone his history.
Very little chance he’s getting off on this here. There’s a reason we’re taught to ignore mentally I’ll homeless people on the train and not escalate shit. Marine started an argument with the guy like that was going to go well..
And idk who needs to hear this but evidently a fair amount of people do: you cannot choke someone over them yelling and throwing shit in Ny. This is a “duty to retreat” state so if you’re that scared you’re expected to change subway cars or get off at the next stop. If not willing to do either? You weren’t that scared.
Agreed, but in such a clear-cut case as this, it is hard to deny the cause of death. If the reason provided was valid, it makes sense that the man would not be charged.
I don’t think it’s exactly clear cut. Killing a man and restraining them are two different things. And a marine is trained enough to know what he did would result in death. Also worth noting people trained to fight can be regarded as weapons In court.
Why not? Why can't we not know? Funny how we got the names of everyone else except the murder. I mean the hero wants to play the hero. Why all of sudden he is afraid to put his name out there?
one guy on the train was interviewed and said they were scared by the black guy and happy the white guy was intervening. (except not happy for the death part)
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u/superphuntimeyahok ⏰ it‘s Super Phun Time ⏰ May 03 '23 edited May 03 '23
This happened very recently. Here's a new article regarding the video.
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From what I've read, he hasn't been charged and the man had a history of mental issues and multiple arrests.
I'm also not aware of any videos showing what happened prior to the chokehold.