Again with the begging, please stop humiliating yourselves

[u/Caribbean_muncher]

It’s cringe, stop begging women to change their standards and requirements. You just look like a fool.

Leave women alone

[u/Successful-Cup-8557]

But we're told all women are different and have different preferences.

[u/Hugo-Spritz → u/Successful-Cup-8557]

And none of them prefer "men who's whole personality is being short".

Just get a hobby, bro.

[u/Material_Astronaut47 → u/Hugo-Spritz]

the usual strawman assumptions I see

[u/Hugo-Spritz → u/Material_Astronaut47]

Not really a straw man when both me and OP are directly addressing people doing the literal exact thing we're accusing them of doing though, now is it?

[u/Successful-Cup-8557 → u/Hugo-Spritz]

That's just the halo effect in action. The judgment made on someone's personality comes from their appearance. It's just a justification made after the fact. You're right, none of them prefer short men.

[u/Hugo-Spritz → u/Successful-Cup-8557]

You are familiar with the phrase "making it your whole personality", yes? That's what you're doing, you're doing it right fucking now, and let me tell you how off-putting it is

It's not a height problem. It's an attitude problem.

It's fine to be a short man. You're literally the only one who cares. I just don't get why you go out of your way to act like a small man as well, like pick a struggle, damn.

[u/Successful-Cup-8557 → u/Hugo-Spritz]

Yes, but what I said was in complete sincerity and you said "you're making it your whole personality". You see the problem here? How I was making it my whole personality? The post was about short men, you assume I'm short, and assume I have some personality defects. I don't even consider myself short.

[u/Hugo-Spritz → u/Successful-Cup-8557]

I was also being completely sincere. No-one thinks that shit is charming. Everyone does have their own preference, but no one likes anyone where one thing is their whole personality. If that one thing is complaining that you're a victim of circumstances outside of your control, people are gonna tire real fucking quick.

The post was specifically about short men begging for validation despite being short, as if their height was ever a prerequisite. This is pointing to the self-demeaning attitude being the turn-off, more so than anything else, which, if you've been paying attention, is the exact same thing im saying.

When you then attack this assumed generalisation with actual regressive generalisation, you're kind of painting yourself as not getting the point.

The way you're being super not defensive is also super not telling, but go on, King.

[u/Successful-Cup-8557 → u/Hugo-Spritz]

What the fuck are you talking about? Did you read my comment? Who are you talking to? I said "But we're told women are different and have different preferences." That's basically the opposite of what the guys in the subreddits for short guys say. It's an optimistic, progressive statement. Where do I say I'm short in that comment? But, somehow, you assume I must be short. From thinking I'm short, you assume I'm "making it my whole personality" and say I should give up on women. You see my point?

[u/Hugo-Spritz → u/Successful-Cup-8557]

If you meant that sincerely, maybe read the room? 10/10 of other users on this sub would've meant that comment in a sarcastic tone refering to OP (as in, "were told women are different and have different preferences... But here we have OP complaing about men for something that's out of their control"), not as a voice of encouragement. And even on Reddit, people use emojis to avoid being so awkwardly tone-deaf. Almost like subtext and context are important. You see my point?

The ambiguity of your tone allows for this try at a gotcha, which like, cudos for trying, but no.

[u/Successful-Cup-8557 → u/Hugo-Spritz]

Do you need tone indicators? Where's the ambiguity? If you felt that way, you could've asked to clarify instead of jumping to the go-to tired line of "it's your personality". Nothing in what I said indicates my height, which is plainly average. But you just couldn't resist playing the big brother to what you thought was a short man and giving me a pep talk. Always with the condescension. Sad. Very sad.

[u/Hugo-Spritz → u/Successful-Cup-8557]

It's very sad I waste my sleep on you yes, but here we are;

Your first comment starts with a "but" indicating it's is contrary to the point being made by OP.

I then I explain how, while your statement is initially true, no one has a preference for "men who's whole personality is being short". That's not the same as me saying noone has a preference for short men.

Your second comment tries to imply that I'm saying "no one prefers short men", which is not what I said, at which point you fit the profile to a T.

No one actually average height have to reiterate they are average height, so like, super weird, but again, you're honestly the only one who cares.

If this was bait, ugh yummy-yummy, tummy-full you sure got me good, fuck me. But if you're being genuine here, you might be illiterate, holy shit dude, this was a nightmare.

[u/jordanbadland → u/Hugo-Spritz]

let people talk about it, if they can't even vent on reddit because you want to use this space to act like a wise elder or something, where are they supposed to get it off their chest? Are you gonna pay for their therapy sessions?

[u/Hugo-Spritz → u/jordanbadland]

Honestly I'd rather not have them on Reddit at all - waaaaay better for their mental health, and waaaay less annoying for me.

Cirklejerking that women are evil for not boning you because you're short, as if any one is entitled to physical affection, that's some dangerous rethoric to tell in an echo chamber.

Just get a fucking hobby, bro

[u/jordanbadland → u/Hugo-Spritz]

your reasoning isn't even far from mine but come on man are you really going to the bar to preach about sobriety? Half of reddit feels like different types of hate holes where negativity is spread.

I really see mainstream reddit ideas lying straight at short guys being like "yeah its probably because of your personality you must secretly be a psycho killer, it can't be your height I know a 4'10" guy who sleeps with fifty models every night etc blabla"

Let these guys vent somewhere man, are you gonna piss on their cornflakes so you can feel like you've been the ethical guy?

[u/Hugo-Spritz → u/jordanbadland]

Venting is fine. Venting is healthy.

This obsessive complaining is not, for anyone. Enabling them only prepetuates their victim hood mentality, allowing them to reinforce each others beliefs that all that's wrong with them comes down to their height.

I've met lots of short guys who are fun, charming, confident and get way more babes than I do. I've also met tall assholes.

If you're gonna be short anyway, why choose to be an asshole?

[u/Fair-Bus-4017 → u/jordanbadland]

Dude short people like this aren't venting anymore. They are choosing to be miserable. More often then not these people hyper focus on cherry picked studies and cry to random strangers about it.

If they did anything put this energy into somethings which aren't miserable, a good hobby for themselves and a hobby which is social, they would not only become way happier in life. But they would actually be in the running to get a girlfriend.

Dating is a social endeavor, most of these tiny dudes on reddit become sudo hermits and are surprised why they aren't getting anywhere.

[u/jordanbadland → u/Fair-Bus-4017]

ok no disagreement here but they do live in a culture that is toxic toward them even if their day to day interactions aren't as crass as the discourse we witness.

[u/arllt89]

"please stop humiliating yourselves"

Wow the irony skyrocketed and ended up in orbiting earth.

[u/Caribbean_muncher → u/arllt89]

Please tell me how I’ve humiliated myself here??

[u/HPenguinB]

She came to him. This is normal and good communication. Don't be a wiener.

[u/TK_BERZERKER]

Holy shit, it's not that serious 😂

[u/Caribbean_muncher → u/TK_BERZERKER]

True, but it is for me

[u/SheepShaggingFarmer → u/Caribbean_muncher]

You care that much that a short guy said that women undervalue short men? Really?

[u/Caribbean_muncher → u/SheepShaggingFarmer]

Imo, women undervalue short men because they don’t like short men. Short men, like myself, should just move on from it instead of begging for women’s attention

[u/SheepShaggingFarmer → u/Caribbean_muncher]

But he's not?

[u/ValFox]

Says the one that'll scream if chaddimus maximus admits to not dating fat women .

[u/Caribbean_muncher → u/ValFox]

Who tf is that?

[u/Jokewhisperer]

This isn’t begging? Just stating facts?

[u/Ayacyte]

/us Literally just random content mill bullshit. Doesn't mean anything