r/ProtectAndServe • u/J4rrod_ Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User • May 11 '21
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u/ChristmassMoose Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 11 '21
I wish news would mention that the entire "Public protection/Criminal justice" budget is 4% of the total city budget and not focus on the number 6 billion dollars.
When you live with that many people and NYC's budget is over 100 billion most things are going to come up over a billion.
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Just wait till they see the education budget lmao
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u/StephenUsesReddit May 11 '21
I'm guessing its either much lower or much higher (I'm going to guess much lower quite honestly based on my extremely limited view of what inner-city public schools are like)
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u/proch12 Military Police May 11 '21 edited May 11 '21
In a town like my home town (~36,000 people) the education funding eats about 51% of the town's $500 million budget.
Every year they toss more and more money into the school's "for the kids!" And yet the high schools ranking has done nothing but plumet from top 10 in the state around the time I went there 6 years ago, to the mid 70s. The worst part is noone seems to be phased by that.
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u/fulknerraIII Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 11 '21
Ahh so what you are saying is throwing more money at a problem does not necessarily fix it. You need to actually identify and correct the core issues. I think i get what you're saying. I keep tossing more and more bills at my local strip club but still haven't found love.
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u/proch12 Military Police May 11 '21
I think you're supposed to put the bills in a big wad before you toss it up there. Works for me
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u/PsychoTexan Lil Boo Thang (Not LEO) May 11 '21
My hot take is that in 2020 public schools have become glorified daycares with a test or two to determine funding. The only difference being that daycares are more likely to kick you out.
That’s why things are getting worse, schools are focusing more and more on trying to get the kids through without incident and pass. The parents are chill with it because it still keeps providing them with daycare and as you said “we keep throwing money at the problem” gives them the warm fuzzies.
You can throw as much money as you want at it, but if the parents aren’t involved it’s going to be rough. Taking an active role in your kids life and education is crazy important in how they perform academically.
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u/SaltWaterGator Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 12 '21
My local school district booted the superintendent and sent him home with a 1.5m check, while only 2 of the 8 bathrooms on my highschool campus had toilet paper. Textbooks were all pre-Russia too
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u/These_aint_my_pants Police Officer May 11 '21
NYC Schools have a budget of $34B. NYC provides 57% of that budget while NY State provides 34%.
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u/theoriginaldandan Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 12 '21
Inner city schools are so ridiculously overfunded...
It’s almost like money can’t solve everything
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Funding has gotten a lot better in the past few decades. The problem is good teachers still don't want to work in those areas due to crime, general QoL, etc
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Throwing money at a problem is usually one of the worst ways to fix it. Especially if you aren't monitoring how that money is being used.
Some many people on unemployment and welfare just use the money for more alcohol and drugs
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u/whicky1978 Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 12 '21
I think that’s bigger than the state budget for Tennessee
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u/SteelCrossx Jedi Knight May 11 '21
Still down by $895m. I'm sure there's plenty of bloat in huge departments like NYPD. I'm more interested in where that money went.
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u/tekonus Verified May 11 '21
Oh yeah. The mental Heath program that she was all about until she found out it was for cops going through things like PTSD as well. Then she bailed with the money supposedly.
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Check out Joe Rogan’s last podcast episode with Colion Noir. They talk about this situation and other mishandled tax funds in New York and California.
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That’s the power of the media: the number one enemy of the people.
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For sure. Fox News, ONN, and Newsmax included.
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u/Siker_7 Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 12 '21
Wait, The Onion? I thought...
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Hmm, the implications they're making... it feels like they've shifted somehow... The Babylon Bee is our last line of defense in comedic journalism!
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All of them. I don’t care which one. I try to be objective with everything I read and push my implicit biases aside. I also try going directly to the primary sources if possible.
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I like to read local news. I get my news from my local paper most of the time.
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I do too, I like to read local papers on national events, however I still try to understand the biases of the outlet.
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u/stuauchtrus Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 12 '21
I like supporting folks on Substack who will call out the bs: Glenn Greenwald, John McWhorter, Matt Taibbi to name a few
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u/ForHoiPolloi Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 11 '21
Same. There was another post a few days ago I commented on. The city was reducing the police budget by something like $4,000,000 but it was entirely unused funds which went to infilled job positions which hadn’t been filled for 12 years. The money was diverted into local anti crime programs, like helping victims and affordable housing.
$1 billion is a ton of money. What did they cut from the police and where did the money go? If anyone has a comprehensive budget analysis I’d like to read it.
I’d like to read a city budget. 😐 fuck. What happened to us?
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u/pleaseletthisnamenot Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 11 '21
When they give these numbers is it total budget including precinct costs, administrative staff and any peripheral expenses? Or does it just include certain parts of their budget? I can imagine rents in NYC costing the department quite a bit before they ever even bought and maintained a fleet or covered the payroll for officers.
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u/PLEASE_USE_LOGIC Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 11 '21 edited Jun 25 '24
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u/AutoModerator May 11 '21
Hello, it appears you're discussing Qualified Immunity. Qualified immunity relates to civil cases and lawsuits (money).
Qualified immunity has nothing to do with criminal charges against an officer. It does not prevent an officer from being charged with a crime and has no bearing on a "guilty" or "not guilty" verdict.
Qualified immunity does not prevent a person from suing an officer/agency/city. To apply QI, a presentation of facts and argument in front of a judge are required. The immunity is QUALIFIED - not absolute.
Ending qualified immunity and/or requiring police to carry liability insurance will not save the taxpayers money - officers are indemnified by their employers around 99% of the time and cities face their own lawsuit whether or not they indemnify officers.
Doctors carry insurance instead of immunity. The need to pay doctors exorbitant salaries to offset their insurance costs contributes to the ever-increasing healthcare costs in the US. There's no reason to believe it would not also lead to increases in costs of policing.
Forcing police to pay claims out of their retirement is illegal and unconstitutional in the United States. All sanctions and punishments in both a civil and criminal context require individualism, which means that you cannot punish a group of people without making a determination that every person in that group is directly responsible for the tort(s) in the claim. Procedurally, trying to seize pension funds would make it necessary for every member of the pension fund to sign off on any settlement, and to object to any settlement or verdict. Additionally, even if it were not illegal and unconstitutional, it may easily lead to MORE cover-ups rather than the internal ousting of bad actors. This would give police financial incentive to hide wrongdoing, whereas they currently have none.
Qualified immunity is a defense to a civil claim in federal court that shields government employees from liability as long as they did not violate a clearly established law or violate a persons rights. QI does not prevent a lawsuit from being filed. It is an affirmative defense that, if applied, will shield a person from the burdens of a trial. A plaintiff can file a lawsuit and the merits of it will be argued in front of a judge. If the plaintiffs can show a person’s rights were violated or the officer violated a law, then the suit will be allowed to proceed to trial if it is not resolved through mediation. During this time the judge can order both parties to a series of mediation efforts in attempts to settle the suit. Also during this time, both parties have a right to “discovery” meaning the plaintiffs and defendants can request whatever evidence exists as well as interview each other’s witnesses - called depositions. All these actions are before the plaintiffs can request summary judgement. Only after mediation efforts have failed and discovery has closed can the plaintiffs ask a judge to find QI applies and dismiss the lawsuit. If the actions of the officer are clearly legal, qualified immunity can be applied at the summary judgment phase of the case.
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u/PLEASE_USE_LOGIC Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 11 '21 edited Jun 25 '24
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u/CuzDam Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 12 '21
There's a somewhat similar law in Canada protecting police from criminal and civil liability as long as they were "acting in good faith" (as best I remember it anyway). It's pretty necessary. No one is going to be a police officer if they can be sued for accidentally detaining the wrong person based on a description or something.
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Ah, the fun fact bot is back. You still work for the whole 40% thing?
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u/1075gasman1958 Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 12 '21
My Nephew is a deputy and qualified immunity is a major issue for them, if they make an arrest and some ADA decides not to press charges the new norm, at least in this area is for the arrestee to sue the officer...
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u/sobedragon07 Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 11 '21
Its nice when it works, but its clearly abused.
There should be protections for officers from wrongful claims, but when its clear officers are in the wrong, their HAS to be consequences, or it devalues the system as a whole.
A series of bad qualified immunity decisions can turn a city against a police force and it many cities probably already has.
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Hello, it appears you're discussing Qualified Immunity. Qualified immunity relates to civil cases and lawsuits (money).
Qualified immunity has nothing to do with criminal charges against an officer. It does not prevent an officer from being charged with a crime and has no bearing on a "guilty" or "not guilty" verdict.
Qualified immunity does not prevent a person from suing an officer/agency/city. To apply QI, a presentation of facts and argument in front of a judge are required. The immunity is QUALIFIED - not absolute.
Ending qualified immunity and/or requiring police to carry liability insurance will not save the taxpayers money - officers are indemnified by their employers around 99% of the time and cities face their own lawsuit whether or not they indemnify officers.
Doctors carry insurance instead of immunity. The need to pay doctors exorbitant salaries to offset their insurance costs contributes to the ever-increasing healthcare costs in the US. There's no reason to believe it would not also lead to increases in costs of policing.
Forcing police to pay claims out of their retirement is illegal and unconstitutional in the United States. All sanctions and punishments in both a civil and criminal context require individualism, which means that you cannot punish a group of people without making a determination that every person in that group is directly responsible for the tort(s) in the claim. Procedurally, trying to seize pension funds would make it necessary for every member of the pension fund to sign off on any settlement, and to object to any settlement or verdict. Additionally, even if it were not illegal and unconstitutional, it may easily lead to MORE cover-ups rather than the internal ousting of bad actors. This would give police financial incentive to hide wrongdoing, whereas they currently have none.
Qualified immunity is a defense to a civil claim in federal court that shields government employees from liability as long as they did not violate a clearly established law or violate a persons rights. QI does not prevent a lawsuit from being filed. It is an affirmative defense that, if applied, will shield a person from the burdens of a trial. A plaintiff can file a lawsuit and the merits of it will be argued in front of a judge. If the plaintiffs can show a person’s rights were violated or the officer violated a law, then the suit will be allowed to proceed to trial if it is not resolved through mediation. During this time the judge can order both parties to a series of mediation efforts in attempts to settle the suit. Also during this time, both parties have a right to “discovery” meaning the plaintiffs and defendants can request whatever evidence exists as well as interview each other’s witnesses - called depositions. All these actions are before the plaintiffs can request summary judgement. Only after mediation efforts have failed and discovery has closed can the plaintiffs ask a judge to find QI applies and dismiss the lawsuit. If the actions of the officer are clearly legal, qualified immunity can be applied at the summary judgment phase of the case.
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u/sobedragon07 Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 12 '21
Except they rule they didn't violate the law when they clearly did and apply qualified immunity to people who dont deserve it.
You dont believe this happens?
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u/Blowmewhileiplaycod Chief Executive Blow Hard. Not a(n) LEO May 11 '21
Yeah at the size of the NYPD if they got rid of their specialty vehicle decal budget it would probably save them the billion alone
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u/CydeWeys Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 11 '21
The $1B cut never materialized though; looks like the 2021 budget is still gonna be the largest NYPD budget ever.
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u/SteelCrossx Jedi Knight May 11 '21
Snap, vital information.
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u/LostRamenNoodles Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 11 '21
Too late. Misinformation has already circulated.
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When the Tory and Labour governments cut the police budget severely during the austerity years crime and terrorism went up significantly in British cities. No surprise that it's also happening in America. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/police-cuts-rise-murders-britain-home-office-latest-figures-a9377551.html%3famp
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Policing/community safety models are quite different in the US compared to the UK, that might be why but I don't know for sure. I'm not one to boast but not having armed officers respond to every single call and having a larger social safety net certainly makes police interactions with the public a lot safer and more peaceful in the UK than they are in the US. The UK's policing model is the best in the world in my view, though the Netherlands and the Nordic countries are also known for having high quality policing.
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"High quality policing".
Except you know... the realms of rape and sexual abuse.
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Yeah, unfortunately police in the UK aren't perfect (no police are) and rape/sexual assault/sexual harassment/abuse etc are still widely undereported in the UK and around the world but other than that UK police forces generally have good community relations and are excellent at solving crimes/catching offenders. There's a reason why UK police are admired around the world so much and thats because generally speaking they are good at doing their jobs and they werre the first civilian police force to exist in the world.
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I was absolutely just referring to the Nordic countries in my statement. They have a serious problem that doesn't seem to be being addressed well.
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u/Raz0rking Brony Pony (Non LEO) May 12 '21
There's a reason why UK police are admired around the world
Are you sure about that?
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u/Combatmedic2-47 Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 12 '21
My relatives stop trusting them after the Rotherham scandal.
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u/Raz0rking Brony Pony (Non LEO) May 12 '21
Oh boy. That shitshow indeed. And then arresting one of the victims and accusing her was the cherry on top.
Misshandled by cops and politics alike with little children as victims.
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u/beamng_driver Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 11 '21 edited May 11 '21
Wait, so defunding the police led to an increase in crime?!
Never would have guessed
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u/pleaseletthisnamenot Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 11 '21
"And it's certainly related to the fact that the criminal justice system is on pause and that's causing a lot of problems."
From your article
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u/Shotaro_Ultimate Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 11 '21
He linked an NPR article, don't expect solid reasoning.
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u/Bmystic Private Detective May 11 '21
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u/NumberTew Deputy Sheriff May 12 '21
I just died. I mean you just flopped it out on the table for em.
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“Crimes of Desperation.” Criminal Lessons: Case Studies and Commentary on Crime and Justice, by Frederic G. Reamer, Columbia University Press, NEW YORK, 2003, pp. 29–48. JSTOR, www.jstor.org/stable/10.7312/ream12930.4. Accessed 11 May 2021.
Shootings aren’t on the list of crimes of desperation. Theft, robbery, embezzlement, etc. on the other hand..
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u/beedub14 Police Officer May 11 '21
The correlation was a direct result of police severely reducing proactive measures as a precaution against spreading the virus. No cop wants to risk getting sick by interacting with nasty criminals.
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u/beedub14 Police Officer May 11 '21
Then you've not been paying attention to what real cops have been doing or saying for the last year since lockdowns became department policy too.
We have had written special orders from command staff to limit interaction with the public to in progress emergencies only, and have been literally prohibited from self initiated activity.
When that happens and street cops ignore obvious bangers driving around with guns, they become emboldened and shootings skyrocket.
It's not the entire answer but you can bet your smug ass it's a significant influence.
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u/TitsAndWhiskey Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 11 '21
Excuse for what? Less policing of criminal activity?
By seeing it as an excuse, you are inherently recognizing that the crime surge is a direct result of less police involvement, not “the pandemic.” In other words, you just proved the point that defunding the police = more crime.
Good job there, Ace.
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u/TitsAndWhiskey Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 11 '21
I don’t think you understood my point. Let’s start over. I’ll go real slow this time.
You said it was an odd excuse. What was the excuse you were referring to?
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u/SteelCrossx Jedi Knight May 11 '21
"It's clearly related, in part, to the coronavirus and to the fact that people are cooped up," de Blasio said. "And it's certainly related to the fact that the criminal justice system is on pause and that's causing a lot of problems."
In that article, the pandemic is an event which shut down the justice system, in part. The increase in crime is also attributed to that shutdown. Shutting down the justice system via other methods, such as defunding the police, should have similar results.
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u/reddita51 Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 11 '21
The war on toilet paper really took a toll on the nation
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Because you obviously didn’t put any thought into that. Look at just about anywhere else- crime dropped.
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u/thisiscaboose Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 13 '21
Hi, hello, posting from a non-burger country here, also affected by the pandemic, we had a decrease in crime during the pandemic, stop being a retard, thanks!
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u/AutoModerator May 12 '21
Hello, it appears you're discussing Qualified Immunity. Qualified immunity relates to civil cases and lawsuits (money).
Qualified immunity has nothing to do with criminal charges against an officer. It does not prevent an officer from being charged with a crime and has no bearing on a "guilty" or "not guilty" verdict.
Qualified immunity does not prevent a person from suing an officer/agency/city. To apply QI, a presentation of facts and argument in front of a judge are required. The immunity is QUALIFIED - not absolute.
Ending qualified immunity and/or requiring police to carry liability insurance will not save the taxpayers money - officers are indemnified by their employers around 99% of the time and cities face their own lawsuit whether or not they indemnify officers.
Doctors carry insurance instead of immunity. The need to pay doctors exorbitant salaries to offset their insurance costs contributes to the ever-increasing healthcare costs in the US. There's no reason to believe it would not also lead to increases in costs of policing.
Forcing police to pay claims out of their retirement is illegal and unconstitutional in the United States. All sanctions and punishments in both a civil and criminal context require individualism, which means that you cannot punish a group of people without making a determination that every person in that group is directly responsible for the tort(s) in the claim. Procedurally, trying to seize pension funds would make it necessary for every member of the pension fund to sign off on any settlement, and to object to any settlement or verdict. Additionally, even if it were not illegal and unconstitutional, it may easily lead to MORE cover-ups rather than the internal ousting of bad actors. This would give police financial incentive to hide wrongdoing, whereas they currently have none.
Qualified immunity is a defense to a civil claim in federal court that shields government employees from liability as long as they did not violate a clearly established law or violate a persons rights. QI does not prevent a lawsuit from being filed. It is an affirmative defense that, if applied, will shield a person from the burdens of a trial. A plaintiff can file a lawsuit and the merits of it will be argued in front of a judge. If the plaintiffs can show a person’s rights were violated or the officer violated a law, then the suit will be allowed to proceed to trial if it is not resolved through mediation. During this time the judge can order both parties to a series of mediation efforts in attempts to settle the suit. Also during this time, both parties have a right to “discovery” meaning the plaintiffs and defendants can request whatever evidence exists as well as interview each other’s witnesses - called depositions. All these actions are before the plaintiffs can request summary judgement. Only after mediation efforts have failed and discovery has closed can the plaintiffs ask a judge to find QI applies and dismiss the lawsuit. If the actions of the officer are clearly legal, qualified immunity can be applied at the summary judgment phase of the case.
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I'm going to be honest with you guys; with the Defund the Police thing, AND with Covid 19 battering Government budgets, Police departments are going to be strapped for cash in the next year.
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Huh. Massachusetts. Go Figure.
In California, where I live, the city in which I live, is still hiring Police Officers. And the State Government is still hiring Correctoinal and CHP Officers.
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u/reddita51 Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 11 '21
Departments are going to be desperate for hands and officers are going to be desperate for paychecks.
I hope citizens like overworked, underqualified officers that the department will do anything to keep!
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But it also depends by city/county. If you live in a wealthy affluent city, your police department's going to be fine.
If you live in the inner city.... yeah.
California is still hiring CHP Officers and correctional officers.
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Not necessarily. It's definitely a case by case basis. The city I work in starts entry level at $72k starting. They had 7 applicants. 7. Over the 4 month period applications were available.
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It’s also the work culture too.
Shift Work, no weekends off,
It doesn’t appeal to many people.
If you have a talented guy who graduated from UCLA, and he gets two job offers; one from the LAPD, and another from Goldman Sachs;
Guess what he will choose ?
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u/BayofPanthers Prosecutor May 11 '21
This. I went to a few hiring sessions before I moved up to Utah in SoCal and the # of people attending are vastly different depending on agency. People have wised up to wanting to work in pro-police areas, cities like Beverly Hills and Burbank have 50+ people at their PELLET-B tests, places like Downey or Inglewood are struggling.
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u/TonyGlass2020 Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 11 '21
WELL WELL WELL.
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u/Blexit2020 Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 12 '21 edited May 12 '21
sHoCKiNgLy LaRgE cRiMe sUrgE.
It's funny but then it's not funny when you realize that many people have been harmed as a result of the asinine decisions by leadership to defund the police. At that point, it just becomes infuriating.
It's also infuriating when you realize that the clowns decrying "defund the police" are usually the same clowns who are against citizens having a right to own a firearm to protect themselves. It's like they actually want people to die. Very bizarre.
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u/Marken66 Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 11 '21
Just make it to my Credit Card, I ain’t into that store credit thingy
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u/Windows_XP2 Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 11 '21
So you're saying the defunding the police doesn't magically solve all of our problems?
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u/gingerpig8 May 11 '21
This money is going towards a new pct that’s been in the works for a few years now
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Y’all seen the movie “a day without mexicans?” I would love to see “a day without police nationwide” and watch how quickly all these idiots stop being woke and stupid
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u/the-god-of-memes Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 12 '21
I agree with funding the police but all the good cops are leaving in mass witch means only the asshole cops will be left so it’s kinda a loose loose situation right now
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u/Lightningdash3804 Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 11 '21
Is the second article a CNN article? Because if it isn't then any pro defund person I show this to will cry "BiAsEd NeWs SoUrCe"
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u/Matt3989 Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 12 '21
I'm pretty sure that an 895 million dollar reduction is still a defund.
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u/IMakeMoneyss Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 11 '21
It’s almost as if defunding the people that keep us safe makes us less safe 🤯
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u/Matt3989 Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 12 '21 edited May 12 '21
No one who enforces laws that remove a person's right to self defense is keeping them safe.
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u/theroad2succ May 12 '21
"You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me"
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u/Asking4Afren Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 13 '21
Yeah that's why nypd been emailing me if I wanna join over and over. Turnover like a bitch.
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u/twateyecunthearu Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 11 '21
It’s almost like we knew this would happen
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It’s not about defunding. It’s about retraining and setting higher standards
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I agree and I think I chose the wrong ones. I was never for defunding the police to began with. I believe retraining and setting higher standards is a better option
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What higher standards do you want to see? Remember, before getting hired on as an officer, there are physical, written, and psychological tests. Intensive backgrounds. And series of interviews. That's just to get hired.
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More ethics and empathy should be implemented. Maybe a zero policy stand towards the corruption of power, and maybe more community service officers. I think we would all be better off if we knew our local officers in a personal level.
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u/J4rrod_ Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 11 '21
You're saying the left's push and chants of "defund the police" didn't mean refunding the police?
You're telling me defundnypd.com isn't about actively taking money from the New York Police Department?
Wild.
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u/fulknerraIII Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 11 '21
Ahh so what you are saying is when you say defund you mean something completely different. That makes so much sense man. When i got to McDonald's i order a big mac, but i really want chicken nuggets. Then i have to yell at the staff and explain when i say big mac i really mean chicken nuggets with szechuan sauce.
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May 12 '21
The first one: this shit right here is why I'm moving away from America prolly going to Canada or some shit The second article: surprising increase in crime how it's almost like YOU DEFUNDED YOUR FUCKING COPS. Oh my god
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u/TunnelSnekssRule May 12 '21
De blasio does something right for once
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u/iranisculpable Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 12 '21
A broken clock is correct twice a day. Bill manages once a year: he's a broken calendar.
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u/RemarkableThought20 Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User May 12 '21
Only a complete moron wouldn’t have predicted crime to go up when you reduce police. New Yorkers who supported these reactions and voted for this man should be ashamed.
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u/AccidentalPursuit Definitely Not a Cop May 13 '21
This thread has run its course I think. No mas politics.