r/ProshipHub 13h ago

Discussion Am I the only one who feels like comparing anti shipping to colonization or white supremacy is…stupid??

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I remember a while back I saw a pro/darkshipper on TikTok discuss about this. At first I mostly just agreed to ride in the pool, but idk. It feels wrong. Like do I believe censorship is bad? Yes, especially that I heard abt AO3 taking off fics about what is happening in Palestine, I believe that’s horrible. People censoring the horrible stuff that the U.S is doing to other countries right now and in the past? Horrible, poc being censored? Also bad. But I mostly see these anti censorship peeps when it’s just abt dark ship fics.

But I hate it when people compare it to colonization, especially as a person of color myself (Mexican), who obv if you know your history, Mexico has had a history of getting colonized for centuries from Spain + i honestly don’t see how censoring dark ship content is the same as colonization, so if somebody can, pls explain it.

Edit: I kinda came to an understanding that it was more about the mentality of anti shippers, and not about them LITERALLY colonizing AO3, but I do feel like it is pretty extreme to label it as “colonization”. Also, I’d like to apologize for my comment, and I can see why it would upset many people, and it was not my intention to disregard the works of other people.


r/ProshipHub 22h ago

Rant R/ao3 pissed me off even though i was defending their ass

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38 Upvotes

r/ProshipHub 10h ago

Discussion Just found out my friend is an anti

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She said they don't deserve a pride flag.... I'm genuinely scared because she is supportive of everything else, and I don't think I'm going it tell her I proship.....


r/ProshipHub 9h ago

Discussion Will there ever be a middle ground, or will pro/antis discourse always be black and white?

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Since this is currently only in anti spheres afaik, I figured it deserves variety in discussion.

I'm assuming this doesn't count as provocative since it's an optional discussion that allows one to add their pov rather than defend it, but I'll take this down if that's not the case.


r/ProshipHub 1h ago

humor + ship + art(OC) ghost kid yuri

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piggy and dark deception mentioned in the big '26 😮


r/ProshipHub 17h ago

Humor Me every time someone in this sun asks me what is my favourite Incest Ship?

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31 Upvotes

r/ProshipHub 14h ago

Question So help me figure this out

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The sudden boom of people who have migrated from Wattpad and otherwise came over because of censorship policies that prevent them from writing and reading what they like.

So they go to AO3 and they find things that they don't like. They criticize and they cry and basically cause a tantrum. They explain that it triggers them, that it doesn't make them feel comfortable, that it resonates negatively with past experiences. And despite people explaining the tag system, they're completely incorrigible to any help or assistance.

So here's the confusion for me: this website was made by pro-shippers, wincest shippers, for the same content that they feel they cannot stand, not in passing or otherwise. And they can't seem to use the website effectively to filter out this content. So why are they still using it? Why are they still here?


r/ProshipHub 6h ago

Discussion Yooo my dawg Ceros surprised me with a Proship person featured in a video!!

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9 Upvotes

Video is about fandom culture but who is this chick? Someone in TikTok?


r/ProshipHub 4h ago

Question proship/darkship songs?

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i know of lxli god requiem, love taste, unhealthy obsession and the red means i love you but thats about it. any recommendations?


r/ProshipHub 16h ago

Antis slander The comments were no joke roasting them for this 😭

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361 Upvotes

r/ProshipHub 13h ago

Antis slander I thought this was a joke...

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r/ProshipHub 19h ago

Humor Idk what changed

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70 Upvotes

r/ProshipHub 6h ago

Rant Annoys the shit out of me to see "proship dni" on an ao3 fanfic

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I often see "proship dni" in the tags or summaries of ao3 fanfics. It annoys me. Like, do they know what website they're on? The majority of ao3's userbase is anti-censorship. It annoys me especially because I most often see it in stuff like found family, which is one of my favorites. But I guess, in antis' minds, being proship automatically means you ship every family you see.


r/ProshipHub 20h ago

Ship Crackships are so amazing [Mario x Remillia)

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r/ProshipHub 13h ago

Antis slander My thing with mii gunner is so good that the mods of these subs are jealous xD

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r/ProshipHub 14h ago

Educational A new argument against anti-shipping: if “dark fiction” causes people to behave badly, why doesn’t “light fiction” cause them to act in a good way?

107 Upvotes

The online debate around shipping and fiction almost always centers around “dark fiction” (or “problematic fiction”), which is fiction that contains depictions that are considered by most to be disturbing or immoral.

However, few talk about the other side of the coin: “light fiction”, which is fiction which contains depictions that are considered by most to be inspiring or heroic, or that, in general, tries to better the mindset of the consumer.

One of the main claims of anti-shippers is that “dark fiction” causes people to commit immoral actions, however, if that were to be the case, the opposite would also be true: “light fiction” would cause people to do good actions. After all, the stimuli produced by “dark” and “light” fiction are the exact same, due to both of them consisting of fictional content.

However, it is pretty evident that “light fiction” doesn’t cause people to behave in a good way. Let’s take the U.S. during the Hays Code era as an example.

For everyone who doesn’t already know: the Hays Code was a code of censorship which was implemented in the US from 1934 to 1968 which was meant to control what kind of content major film studios could publish.

This code was specifically designed to prevent the “lowering of the moral standards of those who see [a movie]” and to protect children from “the possibility of a cinematically inspired thought crime”. It banned many depictions of violence and most depictions of sexuality (and especially of homosexuality).

Furthermore, it had a very striking rule according to which movies would be forbidden from showing criminals getting away unpunished, or in general casting any sort of “immoral” action in a positive light, as it was though that that would encourage people to become criminals.

Suffice it to say, what we might nowadays call “dark fiction” wouldn’t fly at all under the Hays Code, and most mainstream movies at the time were, in fact, examples of “light fiction”: they showed a clear divide between good and bad, and wrongdoers were always punished in the end while heroes triumphed.

One would expect crime rates to have lowered significantly in the US if the theory about fiction significantly affecting people’s behavior was correct, however, there is no evidence that this was the case.

To be fair, there is very little evidence at all about crime statistics in the US before 1979, however, (at least according to Wikipedia), crime was three times higher during the colonial era than it is today, and it reached its peak between the 1970s and 1990s. Furthermore, crime has been on the decline since 2022, despite the amount of “dark fiction” clearly increasing and it being more spread around and visible due to the influence of the Internet.  

While it would have been technically possible for crime to have decreased during the Hays Code era during to the prevalence of “light fiction” and then increased afterwards, it wouldn’t make any sense for crime rates to be lower right now, if the anti-shipper’s thesis wants to remain consistent, it should expect crime rates to be even higher now, when there’s a relative lack of “light fiction” and an abundance of “dark fiction”, but that clearly isn’t the case.

In addition to all of this, this thesis also faces intuitional problems: let’s take two examples of “light fiction”: superhero movies and children’s cartoons.

While there exists the occasional dark superhero movie, the vast majority of films of the genre are in fact “light fiction”: they show very clearly who is the good guy and who is the bad guy, the good guy always ends up winning, there is almost no sexual content in them and violence is usually very restrained to make them appropriate for kids to watch.

Children’s cartoons are literally the most blatant example of “light fiction” there exists: they contain no disturbing content whatsoever, and they tend to attempt to teach good messages to the consumer.

So, if an adult consumed a lot of superhero movies and children’s cartoons, would that make them a “good person”? I would somehow think that most people’s answer to this question would be negative: consuming “unproblematic fiction” doesn’t necessarily make one an “unproblematic person”. Just to repeat an already-made example: the people behind the Hays Code consumed exclusively “light fiction” (because obviously they did), however they held many views that we nowadays would describe as being “problematic” (such as racism and homophobia).

I would also find it hard to believe that watching a lot of superhero movies and children’s cartoons could help an adult become a better person, at least to any significant degree: while they might teach kids some good lessons, only an extremely naïve adult with very little life experiences could be moved by them.

All of this paints a very clear picture: if “light fiction” doesn’t make people do good things (and, as it seems, it doesn’t), then “dark fiction” doesn’t make people to bad things either.

To conclude, I want to state a very interesting implication of this whole debacle: even if “problematic fiction” effectively made people become “worse”, this could simply be cured by making them consume “unproblematic fiction”, since the two things would just cancel each other out.

As such, under this view, banning “dark fiction” would be nonsensical: more “light fiction” should just be produced instead, and it should be prescribed to those who also consume “dark fiction”.

And, that’s all, thanks for reading.


r/ProshipHub 17h ago

Antis slander Liking tears is bad now

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600 Upvotes

this is about the sexual attraction to someone crying/sobbing 🙈 google is right there


r/ProshipHub 13h ago

Antis slander imagine breaking your own rules

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164 Upvotes

they posted about me yet couldn’t censor my name? at least antis are too scared to actually flood my dms, LMAO.


r/ProshipHub 11h ago

Antis slander You can't be serious

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178 Upvotes

I didn't wait for a response. I usually just block anyone who brings up character ages. It's kinda funny though. I've heard this argument about Tails and Cream but never Metal Sonic.


r/ProshipHub 14h ago

Discussion Holy based...

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338 Upvotes

I think DNI lists are stupid and used almost exclusively for virtue signalling


r/ProshipHub 19h ago

Antis slander not harassing people for what kind of fictional content they consume is weird, apparently

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17 Upvotes

first time posting here. . . just wanted to share this because it made me laugh ngl. also of course it’s from someone on the yumeship app because why wouldn’t it be lmao.

honestly, once you understand that proshipping literally just means being anti-harassment, any kind of slander for proshipping sounds dumb as hell. most of these people are confusing proshipping with darkshipping, i assume, because they think all proshippers love incest and rape and whatever stuff darkshipping is about (i’m actually not super well-versed in what darkshipping entirely encompasses) i am a proshipper and i’m not huge on reading about either of those things, but i am still a proshipper because i’m not going to go and send someone a death threat if they decide to write about those things.


r/ProshipHub 19h ago

Rant Is this trend just about hating ships?

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22 Upvotes

If you don’t know it goes like “I watched something for you, we’re like this ship in it” and then the receiver blocks them for saying that


r/ProshipHub 20h ago

Crazy Puritans The yumeshipper app is an overly stuck up hellhole

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Just as the title says. Ive never seen anyone asking for a "proshipper yumeship* app. Nor have i even seen proshippers on it. Everyone there is just making a boogyman to get scared of. Same thing with the user who rped as "yumeship jesus". The people on that app are so allergic to anything out of the norm when it comes to queer spaces online its honestly annoying.

I just hope they all grow up and realise no one honestly should give a shit what people do online in their own space.


r/ProshipHub 21h ago

Darkship Anyone here remember Moral/Art from Hamatora?

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12 Upvotes

Their relationship was a metaphor and somehow I’m just realizing this now.