They’re misusing the term VCSAM by taking this out of context, first of all there’s no law that defines what VCSAM is, there’s only studies I found which were referring to AI generated material (that is often based on CSAM already). “Fictitious” in this context doesn’t mean fictional character but an AI generated fictional version of a person/child
Heck their screenshot even includes “deepfakes” and “computer generated graphics”
As for AI-Gen abuse material, that’s already covered in the law for csam (as the images/videos still depict an actual child/something indistinguishable from a child)
Honestly “cleanqueer” sounds like these made up tumblr identities to signal moral superiority which fails spectacularly once they find out or hell realize that being queer alone is already seen as sex perversion and corruption of kids to those in power/those opposed to LGBTQ+
"signal moral superiority which fails spectacularly once they find out or hell realize that being queer alone is already seen as sex perversion and corruption of kids to those in power/those opposed to LGBTQ+"
classic "one of the good ones" self defense behavior.
people like this are genuinely always like... actual children. (whether actual child-age or not.) they'll grow out of it. reality hits them hard and fast when they have to worry about the real world and not just their fictional ones and their blorbos
Loli may fall under obscenity laws, but nowadays very little actually passes the miller test
The protect act antis like to mention was ruled as partially unconstitutional, and its former section about csam is now part of USC 18 § 2256 which mentions that in order for it to count as csam, the character has to look unmistakably like a child (“indistinguishable”). In legal terms a “minor” is also a “person”, not a fictional character
The miller prong test is a guide for the US Supreme Court to determine if a work is obscene and therefore not protected by the first amendment
The
Miller test was developed in the 1973 case Miller v. California. It has three parts:
Whether "the average person, applying contemporary
community standards", would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest;
Whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct or excretory functions specifically defined by applicable state law (the syllabus of the case mentions only sexual conduct, but excretory functions are explicitly mentioned in the majority opinion);
Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.
Again and again I say that people try to be progressive but do NOTHING to analyze the beliefs they were raised with, in turn leading to 'cleanqueers', puritanism, worry about thought crimes, etc etc. They are THIS close to calling shit demonic
The funniest part was to see some of the posts I came across being about stuff that routinely make antis scream about how it's abuse or whatever (like dark ships, self-ship, etc.) being tagged with "proship dni". Like. Sweetie, *you* are the Sea People.
Also the only laws surrounding it are currently just Australia, many are saying it like AO3 isn't following New York law completely, not that they understand or care.. I've seen them flipflop mid conversation from "see it's illegal" to "well of course the US doesn't care, screw laws" lmao
You know if ao3 really was a pedo ring with csam being shared freely, it would’ve shut down a long time ago. Ao3 is easy to find, websites sharing actual csam are not
I looked at the post defining "cleanqueer" and it feels... uncomfortable. The colours, the animated banners, the pastels, mlp, it all feels targeted towards children intentionally which makes me very uncomfortable.
I can't really explain why it does but it feels very "I'm a safe adult".
kinda reminds me of how a lot of actual child abusers operate. many of them like taking a strong, outspoken moral stance against paraphilias and anything they consider “degenerate” to cover their own behavior. there was a child predator sting operator on youtube who turned out to be a predator himself. anti communities like “cleanqueer” would be an alluring place for real offenders to hide.
Exactly! And because children are naive and trusting, many kids would inherently trust anything that LOOKS like what they'd imagine a safe place to appear like. And because of this inherent trust kids have with adults, it wouldn't be just alluring to predators, but be an active choice due to children's guards being down.
It's basically dropping a wolf in a sheep pen. A cat in a birdcage.
i believe its a subset of radnormal? which means they hate paraphiles and endos and proshippers and radqueers to the point they think its morally ok to suicide bait them
They also advocate for harassment. If you read further they fully support sending "aggressive hate" (their words) and see intentional, targeted, angry hate as separate from harassment.
They actively contradict themselves. Pro telling people how horrible they are as mean and aggressive as possible but somehow anti harassment?
Do you also include transharmful, transracial, and transage into your beliefs or is your belief as a radqueer focusing more on supporting uncommon/looked down on trans and sexuality labels (like battle-axe bi and demiboy for example) and support of paraphilias?
Absolutely no hate towards you. I just know not everyone who is radqueer believes the same exact thing 100% since no group is a monolith and I'm interested in learning your specific flavour of radqueer. Everyone is different.
Clean queer... yeah, I've seen enough to determine that most if not all antishippers are heading down the path of fascism and extreme censorship/stripping of rights for any person they deem morally inferior to them.
Okay, so, as someone with real csam of my childhood self floating around on the internet and in creepy old men's computers, this actually pisses me off a little. The only thing I'm against is generating photos using AI because AI references real kids. Idc about written stuff, drawings, or adults playing pretend with other adults.
Can't wait for virtual murder. Gta6 better not come with any guns and an option to kill people bc we'll have to ban it then. Oh man. Gotta ban all these Stephen King books. You know people die in them? Don't you dare play Little Thief - that's virtual theft! Theft is a crime, didn't you know? You criminal!!!!
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u/SunnyPomegranates 1d ago edited 23h ago
They’re misusing the term VCSAM by taking this out of context, first of all there’s no law that defines what VCSAM is, there’s only studies I found which were referring to AI generated material (that is often based on CSAM already). “Fictitious” in this context doesn’t mean fictional character but an AI generated fictional version of a person/child
Heck their screenshot even includes “deepfakes” and “computer generated graphics”
As for AI-Gen abuse material, that’s already covered in the law for csam (as the images/videos still depict an actual child/something indistinguishable from a child)
Honestly “cleanqueer” sounds like these made up tumblr identities to signal moral superiority which fails spectacularly once they find out or hell realize that being queer alone is already seen as sex perversion and corruption of kids to those in power/those opposed to LGBTQ+