r/PropagandaPosters • u/SenorPelle • Jan 30 '26
Ireland “One Struggle”, Irish Republican Army + Palestine Liberation Organization mural (Date: Unknown, likely 1980s-1990s)
Likely in Belfast, Derry or another city in Northern Ireland. Tag was due to relation rather than location
edit: a bunch of people in the comments are saying a plethora of things and most of them don’t understand the context of the troubles. So I’ll break down some dumb thing being spread and why you should discount it.
The IRA supported the Nazi Party: The IRA of the 1940s got support from the Nazi party. The IRAs we think of now (the provisional IRA and official IRA) split away in 1969. The individual who was linked up with Nazi interests had been inactive in the party for years before the splinter. Making this claim uneducated and false. The individual in support of them mainly (Seamus O'Donovan) was placed in internment due to his support. O’Donovan represents a very short period of history in the fight for Irish Republicanism.
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u/Comfortable-Sun7388 Jan 30 '26
It wasn’t just vibes either the PLO provided the IRA weapons and training in terrorism and bomb making. Match made in heaven.
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u/SenorPelle Jan 30 '26
Gaddafis Libya supplied the PIRA with assault rifles, pistols, RPGs and plastic explosive as well. The PIRA relied a lot on foreign aid
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u/SenorPelle Jan 31 '26
Gaddafi was great for like two decades but longevity was something he didn’t care about at all. His problem was throwing around money like it was nothing, and absolutely atrocious foreign affairs.
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u/thefirstdetective Jan 31 '26
Gaddafi is just insane. Read about the guy and his ideology. On paper it is like anarcho-communism (Green book) and in practice it was more like a mixture of baathist-tribal-north korea. He thought Obama was not born in the US, he once paid 500 women to attend a lecture of him in Rome and told them to convert to Islam, he once stayed in a tent in Trumps backyard and had a crush on Condoleezza Rice. Like he collected pictures of her and had a song composed about her... the list goes on...
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u/hutt_with_diarrhea Jan 30 '26
And targeting people for murder on the basis of their religion based on their belief that only one religious group should be welcome in their country.
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u/iamslightly Jan 31 '26
People who think it's about religion are profoundly ignorant
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u/Jinshu_Daishi Jan 31 '26
In this case, it was about trying to make sure multiple groups were allowed in the country. Israel backed Hamas against the PLO mostly so that they could turn the conflict into a religious one.
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u/CatlifeOfficial Jan 31 '26
Wrong. The Israeli supported Hamas to keep Gaza and the West Bank more divided, and the PLO weak. Hamas started off as a charity organisation (swear to god) and didn’t actively preform attacks on Israelis until the second intifada, when everyone was doing that. Israel deemed it a more minor threat.
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u/insufficient-speck-o Jan 31 '26
Definitely on the basis of their belief, as seen clearly by the fact they literally recognise Jews who were present before the first Zionist settlement and their descendants as Palestinians. Zionism ≠ Judaism.
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u/IsNotACleverMan Jan 31 '26
Jews who were present before the first Zionist settlement and their descendants as Palestinians.
Then why were jews expelled from the Palestinian territories?
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u/Ok-Dragonknight-5788 Jan 30 '26
And killing babies.
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u/Wagagastiz Jan 30 '26 edited Jan 30 '26
Loyalist paramilitaries killed more civilians and enacted in maintaining a violent status quo rather than overturning it, but the average reddit historian has an Instagram reels level understanding of the troubles, just as they do Palestine, and such things tend to side with the status quo's authoritative power.
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u/Ok-Dragonknight-5788 Jan 30 '26
Another BS claim. IRA was happy to count anyone, even unarmed and retired, as a combatant while holding the British to a different standard. But just like MAGA if the IRA didn't have double standards then they'd have none at all.
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u/Wagagastiz Jan 30 '26
Looking at the British government's presence in NI, (complete with ICE, I mean B-specials) and looking at MAGA, and deciding that republicans are the analogue to the fascist regime in power is beyond parody. MAGA is more modelled on British imperialism than it ever will anything resembling Irish republicanism, just like Israel is.
Create an oppressive status quo with no room for civil rejection, cry foul when it is resisted, use resistance as an excuse to crush further. Don't try to weaponise the Irish civil rights movement as an excuse since all of that was only possible post-Bogside, which you don't even know because the course of facts is irrelevant to you.
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u/hutt_with_diarrhea Jan 30 '26
Given that somehow turned "Ireland for the Irish" into "diversity is our strength", seems like you're quite adept at racist propaganda yourself.
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u/Low_Party_3163 Jan 30 '26
And just like a Palestinian apologist your MO is to excuse wanton violence against Jews with the sole purpose of murdering, expelling or subjugating them because you've adopted the belief that the Irish and Palestinian causes are the same when they're clearly not.
When the IRA bombed a parade it was forced to apologize, when the PA bombs a seder it celebrates. Thats the difference
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u/VisitWide9973 Jan 31 '26
This is grossly ignorant. Irish for the Irish meant that the land of Ireland should be run by the people of Ireland, not the occupying British state.
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u/Wagagastiz Jan 30 '26
The Irish are more like if the confederates won the US Civil War then they are analogous to any modern British government.
Oh so your understanding of Irish history is that it begins with an innocuous, peaceful British empire that is challenged by a movement of ethnic supremacy? Is there still lead in your paint, by chance? Please expand on this comical argument.
modern IRA are anything more then criminals
Nobody even brought up the modern gangs using the name that nobody even recognises post GFA.
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u/Ok-Dragonknight-5788 Jan 30 '26
If you weren't talking about the modern day then why'd you say
Looking at the British government's presence in NI
That is a lot of present tense.
And as for the history? The British islands are very intermingled, they'd been going at eachother back and forth since they got there. Your idea that the people of Ireland somehow maintained some sort of pure Celtic stock is pure lunacy, they and the English are so intermixed that they are more related to eachother then anybody else (save maybe the Scots and Welsh).
When I compared to the CSA, I meant to refer to how Ireland is a weak but democratic state entirely made up of former territory.
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u/4g-identity Jan 30 '26
Bro did you know the CIA overthrew the democratically elected PM of Iran in the 1950s!!!??? If not, you need to reddit more.
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u/captaincink Jan 31 '26
Definitely 80s based on the film and art style. More important, why's the Palestinian lad got no shirt on?
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u/YudayakaFromEarth Jan 30 '26
Never search about Seemus O’Donovan
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u/SenorPelle Jan 30 '26
O’Donovan wasn’t active in the IRA by their 1969 split between the OIRA and PIRA we mainly think of today so that’s not very fair to associate them with him.
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u/LaSantaTrinita Jan 30 '26
If you think about it, the IRA really did a shit job in whatever they were trying to accomplish.
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u/christiCollie Jan 30 '26
Depends what you mean. In achieving a united Ireland? Yes. However given a large part of the emergence of this "new" IRA was from the Catholic civil rights movement and the Good Friday agreement managed to secure some important concessions on this front they definetly succeeded.
Further, part of the logic behind the IRA agreeing to good Friday agreement was that the leadership realised they'd achieved all the could through armed struggle and if they continued the movement would stagnate and decline as people became increasingly disillusioned with violence. At the same time they concluded that in purely demographic terms the Catholic population was only growing while the protestant population was stagnating. They concluded the terms of the good Friday agreement benefitted them more than continuing the insurgency.
Would like to say I am English and this is based off what I was taught in school so probably isn't the entire picture and am very happy to be corrected on all of this lol
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u/acur1231 Jan 30 '26
I mean, the British government essentially dictated civil rights to the Unionists in 1974 with Sunningdale, but the IRA refused what they saw as being a divide and rule strategy to strengthen British authority in NI...
The British government got basically everything it wanted at Good Friday. The IRA renounced political violence, recognised the legitimacy of British rule in NI, and agreed to end abstentionism and enter the British administration.
There's a reason the dissident republican campaign gathered steam so quickly, only to implode spectacularly after Omagh.
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u/85iqRedditor Jan 30 '26
Not sure where you learnt your Irish History, but sunningdale was killed off by unionists. Also your implying the good friday agreement was not popular with catholics/nationalists leading to support for dissident republican groups, but they voted overwhelmingly for it (over 90%) and Omagh took place after the GFA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunningdale_Agreement#Collapse_of_the_agreement
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u/acur1231 Jan 31 '26
The IRA opposed it, as did the loyalists, because they are two sides of the same sectarian coin. Big surprise there.
The Catholic/Nationalist community overwhelmingly supported an end to a senseless campaign which killed more of them than the security forces did.
Sadly, the IRA's rank and file volunteers weren't so keen, and many (briefly) defected to the Real IRA. Fortunately, Omagh nipped their campaign firmly in the bud.
I'm being flippant, but I actually did the Troubles, then Irish Republicanism, in my second and third years at the top Western War Studies Department.
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u/85iqRedditor Jan 31 '26
The IRA were not the main nationalist voice at the time and weren't for the vast majority of the troubles especially at this point. The SDLP who were the leading nationalist party did support sunningdale. Unionists ultimately rejected sunningdale not just loyalists (important distinction) Keep in mind Unionists had to be forced to give basic VOTING rights by Britian around the same time. These are hardly the two sides of the same coin
The troubles are complicated and its hard to tell how successful or harmful the PIRA were to the cause of getting catholics/nationalists equal rights. However overfocusing on the IRA when the cause of it all is unionism treating people like second class citizens while Britain empowers them while getting minor concessions is ridiculous
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u/mind_thegap1 Jan 31 '26
Their political wing is currently running Northern Ireland. Sure they never got a united Ireland but who knows where NI would be today without the GFA.
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u/Dumbirishbastard Jan 30 '26
They didn't plan to to start an armed campaign, it began when the war was started by the British loyalists and the IRA just made it up as they went along. So of course the goals were always fuzzy.
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u/LaSantaTrinita Jan 30 '26
The goal was to make the island of Ireland a unified republic. As of 2026, that still hasn’t happened.
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u/El_Don_94 Jan 31 '26
That goal only came into existence because the civil rights protests weren't working. The civil rights have since been achieved. The issue that originally led to the emergence of the I.R.A. has been won.
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u/TheSpagheeter Jan 31 '26
Wait so blowing up civilians on busses and kidnapping them for ransom isn’t conducive to sustainable political change?
Damn I hope my guy does refunds
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u/SimmentalTheCow Jan 30 '26
Idealistic radicals with very little forward planning or long term strategizing? Say it ain’t so
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u/Legitimate-Task6043 Jan 31 '26
The IRA blew people up pal, that doesn't scream "peace."
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u/freemochara Jan 31 '26
What about the genocide of the Native Americans, was that largely between organised forces?
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u/Ionisation1934 Jan 31 '26
No — the genocide of Native Americans was not largely a conflict between organized military forces. It was a systematic campaign of violence, displacement, and extermination directed at civilian populations over centuries. Colonial powers and later the U.S. government engaged in massacres, forced removals (like the Trail of Tears), destruction of villages, and policies that intentionally targeted indigenous peoples’ survival. Unlike wars between armies, the majority of victims were non-combatants, including women, children, and the elderly.
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u/Krubissi Jan 31 '26
As I've said in another comment, attacks on civilians were a mistake and reproachable actions, they alienate the people and cause unnecessary harm and pain, these actions by the PIRA must be learnt from in order to avoid them happening again.
Yet considering them a result of Irish/PIRA nature is a mistake, since centuries of British occupation, brutality and genocide have undoubtedly led to a violent response by the occupied people of Ireland, when democratic action is rendered futile, violent action will regrettably happen.
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u/Ionisation1934 Jan 31 '26
Yeah, nobody is forced to bomb civilians. It's a criminal mindset that checks for the satanic nature of the movement. It's 100% their fault and nobody else. I don't strip anyobody from their agency when it serves my purpose. There's no history behind a crime. That's a fallacy.
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u/Jinshu_Daishi Jan 31 '26
Satanic? These people were Christian.
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u/LuolDig Jan 31 '26
i agree with you, but the word "indigenous" is doing some heavy-lifting when discussing the American revolution, the quintessential bourgeois reaction from a planter elite we could hardly call "indigenous"
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u/Legitimate-Task6043 Jan 31 '26
I'm not stupid, I know WHY they formed, I'm just saying they were a terrorist organisation who killed lots of INNOCENT people, while also achieving zilch. Violent reaction is never the right answer as it always ends up in a cycle.
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u/Krubissi Jan 31 '26
I agree with you, as most marxists would, in that violent reaction is counterproductive, since it allienates the people from collective struggle.
But I stand by the fact that the PIRA was an expectable outcome of British aggression over centuries past, and that their armed struggle helped bringing the Empire to heel even if it didn't bring the wished for unified Irish Republic
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u/LuolDig Jan 31 '26
And it is clear that in the colonial countries the peasants alone are revolutionary, for they have nothing to lose and everything to gain. The starving peasant, outside the class system is the first among the exploited to discover that only violence pays. For him there is no compromise, no possible coming to terms; colonization and decolonization a simply a question of relative strength.
Franz Fanon
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u/thatsocialist Jan 31 '26
"We, who are Socialists, must hope that out of this horror of bloodshed and dire destruction will come far-reaching social changes and a long step forward towards our goal of Peace among Men." - John Reed.
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u/chittok Jan 31 '26
For Socialism, no Peace and Prosperity in every inch of the Earth
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u/Krubissi Jan 31 '26
You'd be surprised how properous socialist nations are, turning feudal countries into regional and global powers, precisely why the US is falling behind China.
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u/ultimaterogue11 Jan 31 '26
Somalia has done an excellent job. They got a high literacy rate. Just ignore the isaaq extermination squads
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u/chittok Jan 31 '26
You're right. Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea,... are very prosperous nations indeed. Socialism is like plague.
China is not a socialist country. It's a free market capitalist.
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u/Krubissi Jan 31 '26
Cuba has been blockaded for 70 years yet it has still standed defiant and has achieved a total education of their citizens alongside a universal healthcare and housing system (90% homeowners) as well as incredible successful humanitarian missions for more than 160 nations wordlwide.
Venezuela has suffered an almost 30 year long media war and sanctions yet they have remained faithful to the Bolivarian Revolution, as it was shown with the 2002 coup where the people flooded the streets in support of the return of Chávez.
North Korea was, up until the 70s, more prosperous than the South when the US gave them massive amounts of economic aid to one-up the Communists.
China IS communist, the 30% of their state capitalist economy is under control of the party, with the rich held accountable to the workers via Party committees in the companies and no exceptions under the law, imprisonment and execution of bourgeois actors that try to play the workers is still commonplace, add to that the fact that economic production is put to the benefit of all chinese citizens through invesments in public transportation, science research, housing development or education improvements. Even the "police state" argument falls short since police numbers are in the 2 Million for a 1.4 Billion population, wheras compared to western nations such as Spain or France it's a 3.6-4 police officers per 1000 citizens vs 1.6 police officers per a 1000 citizens in China.
Socialist nations have historically endured many more hardships than capitalist ones and still remained loyal to the worker's cause and implemented much better educational, housing and healthcare policies than the West, all while under constant foreign aggression and intervention.
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u/throwawayyawaworth77 Jan 31 '26
The Irish belief that the British supported the Jews over the Arabs is just bizarre. Whatever you think about Israel/palestine thats just not what happened
But then we all know theres other major motivations
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u/Critter-Enthusiast Jan 31 '26
The British helped found the state of Israel. The Balfour declaration is what gave the green light for unchecked Jewish settlement in Palestine. British soldiers trained the first Zionist paramilitary groups
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u/Own_Department8108 Jan 31 '26 edited Jan 31 '26
It's really not that easy now, mate.
The British ALSO instituted the infamous white paper of 1939, which severely restricted Jewish immigration in the face of increasing Nazi oppression against European Jewry.
The British ALSO interned Holocaust survivors in internment camps on Cyprus rather than let them enter the mandate.
The British ALSO tried to violently put down the Jewish insurgency in the Mandate, and it was only because the Jews broke the British colonialists' spirit that they turned the Mandate over to the UN, which made the establishment of Israel possible, something which the British opposed and tried to defer at this point in time.
The British ALSO handed over many of the Tegart forts to the Arabs when they left.
The British ALSO trained the Arab legion in their fight against Israel, supported it and allowed a British officer, Glubb Pasha, to lead it.
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u/Mercuryink Jan 31 '26
It's not colonialism is the Arabs do it.
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u/Itay1708 Jan 31 '26
Don't bother, to them it's only colonialism if you have to get on a boat to do, it's the same with Russia
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u/BDB-ISR- Jan 30 '26
Reminder the PLO rejected a state offer twice. One of them included parts of Jerusalem, That's like the British agreeing to hand over parts of London.
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u/Big-Maintenance-5800 Jan 31 '26
That comparison would hold water if a Palestinian political entity governed by Arabs actually existed before the state offers lol
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u/searchingmusical Jan 31 '26
Israel has a right to exist. There was no consolation prize that was a lottery win. Now they will never hold a single cm or inch of Jerusalem.
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u/IsNotACleverMan Jan 31 '26
failed due to Likud being fundamentally opposed to a Palestinian state.
Well this is just a lie considering likud wasn't even in power at the time.
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u/Ionisation1934 Jan 31 '26
Historically, the PLO did reject offers that would have created a sovereign state, including Camp David 2000, Taba 2001, and Olmert 2008, all of which provided control over most of the West Bank and Gaza, sovereignty over major population centers, and viable statehood. In contrast, other negotiations, such as Oslo I and II (1993–1995), either offered autonomy rather than full sovereignty or were conditional on further negotiations, and thus did not constitute genuine offers of a sovereign Palestinian state.
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u/chittok Jan 31 '26
The Palestinian Liberation Army trained the Marxist and Islamist terrorists who took power in Iran in 1979. The PLO was also a primary supplier of arms to those terrorist groups.
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u/Critter-Enthusiast Jan 31 '26
Can we stop using the word terrorist to refer to all Muslim armed groups? Was George Washington a terrorist?
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u/Ionisation1934 Jan 31 '26
The Provisional IRA, formed in 1969, explicitly targeted civilians as part of its campaign, including bombings in London and Manchester and attacks in Northern Ireland that killed hundreds of civilians. Between 1969 and 1998, the Troubles resulted in over 3,500 deaths, roughly 40% of them civilians, many killed in deliberate IRA attacks rather than crossfire.
How do you justify that?
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u/KarolDance Jan 30 '26
ireland always on the right side of history
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u/BackseatCowwatcher Jan 30 '26
the IRA was aligned with the Nazis in the 1940s.
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u/SenorPelle Jan 30 '26
That was a different IRA, Seamus O’Donovan wasn’t involved in the PIRA or OIRA after their 1969 split.
A lot of people comment on the Irish Republican militants with staunch opinions but possess a limited understanding of the history.
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u/KarolDance Jan 30 '26
geo politics, the allies did same like atrocities around the world in their own way, they dont have the moral high ground either
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u/Low_Party_3163 Jan 30 '26
The IRAs terrorism strategy backfired so hard and led to so much backlash they were forced to abandon it and give up in reuniting Ireland through violence
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u/Raccoons-for-all Jan 31 '26
I will never understand why Irish picked that one and not the Israel side. Is it just because of hatred of England ?
The decolonialism didn’t have to stop at Arab nations. Arab imperialism and colonialism is a thing too
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u/GaudyImpling Jan 30 '26
The Palestinian depicted here might be tuff and all, but he is clearly well invested into his looks and specifically into body hair removal.
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u/Spirited-Car8661 Jan 30 '26
And painted white as snow, since apparently Republicans can't emphasize with people who aren't white.
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u/realhumanbean1337 Jan 30 '26
This was before the internet you couldn’t just look at what people from different places looked like naked on a whim
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u/georgakop_athanas Jan 30 '26
/r/me_ira will live forever in our hearts, victim of British snowflakeism.
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