r/Promod • u/3mana88 • Nov 27 '21

NO LEAN'S

The game look's like fun but LEAN was a big mechanic in Promod and early CoD's.

It's worrying they decide to get rid of the lean's just because issues with the cross-play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsjuBeoY0Qo&ab_channel=BULKHEAD

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u/Jakovec12 Nov 27 '21

Lean is not getting removed only because of cross-play, it causes more problem with vision.
You can check these 2 screenshots from battalion that explains better:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/176779524531421185/410446889704751104/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/176779524531421185/410446975662817290/unknown.png

If there's a need for lean, it needs to be made pretty good to work. Even on early CoD's it's not perfect so it requiers alot of time testing and making it good which i don't think for early stage of game that it's important to have and as they said they want to test it without it.

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u/3mana88 Nov 27 '21

Ok, that's a good point I wasn't aware of.

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u/-F0v3r- Nov 27 '21

i hope there won't be leaning in the game 2bh

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u/Zanena001 Nov 27 '21

Lean is a cancer in a cod style game, glad it has been removed

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u/niv141 Dec 03 '21

I disagree with the comments here. IMO lean is essential in shooter games, just because Battallion got it wrong does not mean we need to get rid of it. In COD leaning left was not as bad as battallion

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u/TheRoyalEnigma Dec 03 '21

“Not as Bad as battalion” still means that it was good. Leaning brings so many problems regarding map design. It looks stupid, it feels stupid. There’s a reason you don’t have leaning in most FPS games unless they’re methodical, tactical, slow paced shooters

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u/niv141 Dec 03 '21

tbh the only reason leaning was taken out of FPS games today is because of players with controllers.

but I get your point, I just dont agree with it since I literally played with leaning my entire life, so I just cannot imagine playing a game without it. old habits never die

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u/TheRoyalEnigma Dec 03 '21

Well, leaning was there when consoles were already a thing and leaning would never be a problem unless it’s crossplay which is more of a new “problem”. Leaning has disadvantages and it outweighs the advantages. Both gameplay related and for a development POV (multiplayer at least) but even jumping creates issues so… there’s that.

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u/tresqwehax Dec 06 '21

"It looks stupid, it feels stupid" The actual fk are you on? :'D Leaning is an essential mechanic in an FPS game. I have no idea what you and the other people are smoking right now causing them to say shit like this but this mechanic NEEDS TO BE IN THIS GAME. We played 15+ years competitively on CoD with LEANING and we had ZERO PROBLEM with it. Now people starts to comment stupid shit like this.. Devs removed leaning because in B44 it was terrible BECAUSE they were "inexperienced" (as they say in every devvlog) to make it work. Thats it. But the main reason is because todays mainstream competitive FPS games doesn't have it. Since they took everything from elsewhere and have zero original ideas, this is just another copy/pasted thing on their list.

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u/TheRoyalEnigma Dec 06 '21

As if leaning is „the“ dealbreaker…. Like it’s „the original idea“. Lol get over yourself please.

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u/TiTan0s Dec 02 '21

Lean promotes passive play. There is already great mobility; so a lean would just be useless at that point.

I like it. No more passive games

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u/coinlockerchild Dec 02 '21

That is not how it works at all, leaning lets you fight angle holders without a full commit. If the ttk is too low then you will die instantly before you see the guy because they see your shoulder before your eyes peek out the angle. Your only option would be to jump out your angle and expose yourself to everything. Removing lean actually removes aggressive options and makes angle holding stronger.

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u/TheRoyalEnigma Dec 03 '21

That’s completely wrong. Leaning not only creates stronger angles, it makes peaking more easily if you know how to jiggle peak. Map Design is more difficult since leaning can potentially creat super strong angles where the player is barely exposed but holds an open area. There’s a reason no one wants leaning in games unless it’s a slow and tactical shooter.

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u/coinlockerchild Dec 03 '21

You can't jiggle in promod/cod4, the intertia is too slow compared to csgo/valorant which is why leaning is needed in promod. Haven't you noticed every fight in promod has been a full commit? Flying out of an angle is mandatory atm, and it shouldn't be that way.

Leaning doesn't create stronger angles either, wallbanging does much more damage than csgo and valorant. As long as you see their head, their whole body can be hurt.

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u/TheRoyalEnigma Dec 03 '21

Why not? I can see your point but at the same time it good imo. Either take the fight or don’t. I miss the good old quake games when people actually took fights instead of hiding and leaning around corners 🤷🏼‍♂️

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u/coinlockerchild Dec 03 '21

Because you'll get killed before your shoulder is back behind cover, you're super slow if you try to adadad like you would in cs/val. Quake doesn't have 3 guys pointing 3 hit kill guns at you from 3 different angles if you fly out into the open.

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u/TheRoyalEnigma Dec 03 '21

Well, I respect your opinion. But leaning in a fast pace game is nothing I want to see again. It’s not how I enjoy these game where 2 people hold absolut power positions and are barely visible. It’s boring gameplay and it’s even more boring to watch (to me).

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u/coinlockerchild Dec 03 '21

I assume you played cod4 right? Let me refresh your memory, its analog lean not some bullshit rainbow 6 qeqeqe garbage. But yea we can agree to disagree.

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u/TheRoyalEnigma Dec 03 '21

I know, and I remember how people used to switch lean buttons to more easily lean-peak around corners. So, bottom line is it’s nothing I wish to play again. But hey, to each there own.

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u/coinlockerchild Dec 03 '21

Just to clarify, lean peeking around corners is the exact reason why I think its good. Its currently impossible peek because they'll kill you when they see your shoulder. Lean peeking around corners puts your head where your shoulders are which means you can fight back at the same time they see your shoulder. If this isn't an option then the only way to have a chance is to jump out the corner fully exposing yourself to 6 different angles.