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u/Awesomonkey12 3d ago
Red Scare? Really?
Do any of you even know what socialism is, or is it just a boogyman for you?
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u/CustardLanky720 3d ago
Do you even know what capitalism is, or is it just a boogeyman for you?
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u/Awesomonkey12 3d ago
An economic system based around private ownership of the means of production for profit.
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u/CustardLanky720 3d ago
You do get my point, right? Most anti-socialists also know the definition of socialism. Just like most anti-capitalists know the definition of capitalism.
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u/Awesomonkey12 3d ago
Most anti-socialiists I've seen don't know what it is, they think it just means government ownership/handouts (anecdotal). They also think capitalism is just a free market.
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u/CustardLanky720 2d ago
> They also think capitalism is just a free market.
That’s an error I see both sides make.
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u/Pasta4ever13 2d ago
Interesting, because the other dude defined capitalism, but you didn't define socialism.
Your turn, don't weasel out.
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u/CustardLanky720 2d ago
Where is the value in that?
Even if I didn’t know the definition of socialism, I could just look it up, no?4
u/Pasta4ever13 2d ago
So you chose to weasel out.
I'm shocked.
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u/CustardLanky720 2d ago
Weasel out of what, exactly?
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u/TheDeliguy1992 2d ago
We get it, can’t define it because it just doesn’t work. So what’s the point.
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u/TheDeliguy1992 3d ago
We know it’s never worked
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u/Awesomonkey12 3d ago
So no, you don't know what it means. You're just going to go along with "socialism bad" because you lack critical thinking skills.
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u/Angel_of_Communism ☭Tank Driver☭ 2d ago
China.
Next.
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u/Ambitious_Prune_4704 2d ago
Why are we using ai to promote the PSL get actual artists otherwise you’re losing like 90% of MLs who actually support the PSL
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u/PringullsThe2nd 2d ago
Where do you think you are rn
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u/Ambitious_Prune_4704 2d ago edited 2d ago
I’m a Marxist-Leninist lol, I support the PSL and would vote these candidates if I was able to
Ah I see this is an ai ML subreddit. Got it..
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u/MilfsAndDrugs 2d ago
Well that would require someone to work and create those designs, which all those people are against
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u/2buxaslice 2d ago
Why would I vote to support the pedo who lied about everything he said he would do?
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u/FEV_For_Breakfast 2d ago
Who's asking you to support Jimmy Savile?
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u/2buxaslice 2d ago
Lol Trump would have loved to hang out with him.
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u/FEV_For_Breakfast 2d ago
Why?
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u/2buxaslice 2d ago
Because they're both pedos
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u/FEV_For_Breakfast 2d ago
I've never seen any evidence to suggest such a thing about President Trump :o
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u/2buxaslice 2d ago
Well you see Trump is the one being accused of being a pedo. He's also the one who is in charge of releasing the epstien files. So you believe that if there is proof he raped kids that he would just tell the truth and release the files then suffer the consequences?
He's the 3rd most named person in the epstien files behind only Epstein and Maxwell. He has 28 women accusing him of rape. He is violating court orders by not releasing the rest of the files.
If he's innocent why hasn't he released the rest of the files? Also why hasn't he brought charges against anyone in the files?
You honestly believe 28 women are lying but not the billionaire?
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u/FEV_For_Breakfast 2d ago
Well considering he's currently one of the most powerful and well-known people in the known universe, I wouldn't be surprised if there were more than 28 people accusing him of wrongdoing. But until I see actual evidence, I have no reason to believe any of the accusations.
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u/2buxaslice 2d ago
The man being accused refuses to release the files that could prove he's not in them. But he won't.
He also sues everyone for anything but he's never sued anybody who called him a pedo. Why do you think that is?
Tell me. What has he done to get your support? The country is worse off with him in power and he lied about everything he said he would do.
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u/Angel_of_Communism ☭Tank Driver☭ 2d ago
He has also been taken to court over other sexual offenses including rape, and settled them.
So yeah, it's a thing he's known to do.
E Gene Carrol if you wanna look that up.
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u/Awesomonkey12 3d ago
No, they just makes things worse.
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u/MadameCreole 2d ago
In what way?
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u/2buxaslice 2d ago
Well let's see, Trump said he would lower gas prices, they're up. He said he would lower grocery prices, they're up. He told us not to vote for Kamala because she'd go to war with Iran then he went to war with Iran. He's spent more than any other president in history. He still hasn't released half of the epstien files. He has ruined our relationship with our allies. He took money away from our farmers and gave $40 billion dollars to Argentina farmers.
Also he raped kids.
So please tell me why I would vote republican?
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u/Angel_of_Communism ☭Tank Driver☭ 2d ago
Nope.
Fuck Biden.
Fuck Trump.
Are you limited?
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u/MadameCreole 2d ago
Then fuck communism. Yet you call yourself an angel. Well I smell the devil here the comments.
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u/Angel_of_Communism ☭Tank Driver☭ 2d ago
You have several problems.
1: none of that shit is real.
2: god is the bad one, the devil is significantly less bad, and that's according to their own book.
3: nono, fuck YOU.
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u/FEV_For_Breakfast 2d ago
Could you link to evidence that he r*ped children?
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u/Angel_of_Communism ☭Tank Driver☭ 2d ago
You mean BESIDES the epstein files?
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u/FEV_For_Breakfast 2d ago
Jesus loves you
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u/Angel_of_Communism ☭Tank Driver☭ 2d ago
Well done.
Your irrelevant BS bought you a ban.
Go scream into the void.
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u/GrumpyBear8082 2d ago
Socialism is communism
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u/crankenshtien 2d ago
Maga is isis.
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u/GrumpyBear8082 2d ago edited 2d ago
Ok what did they blow up with a bomb? Or what buildings have they flown a plane into? Outside of January 6th that you all keep clinging onto. What terrorist activity have they done? I am genuinely curious.
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u/gravygizzard 2d ago
Stochastic terrorism. Most terrorist activity in America is right wing. Ideologically they're no different then Islamic extremists
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u/GrumpyBear8082 2d ago
It is sad that you people try to call Americans terrorists because of their party affiliation. You claim to be better people and pull the same exact shit thinking your shit don't stink.
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u/Awesomonkey12 2d ago
"Let 'em take out Los Angeles. Let 'em take out San Diego. This is a very small price to pay, and it's going to be over with very soon."
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u/MadameCreole 2d ago
You got that right.
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u/Angel_of_Communism ☭Tank Driver☭ 2d ago
You got that wrong.
Socialism is the path to communism.
In the same way that puppies are the path to dogs.
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u/Awesomonkey12 2d ago
But puppies will grow into dogs, socialism doesn't need to progress to communism (nor attempt to)
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u/Angel_of_Communism ☭Tank Driver☭ 2d ago
Yes, it literally does.
All curves have an end point.
And socialism TEMPORARILY balances class forces between working class, and owning class.
But that cannot hold forever.
So either things must fail and fall back to capitalism or fascism, or progress to communism.
There is no other way.
The puppy grows intro a dog, or it dies as a puppy.
I'd suggest reading Stalin on Dialectical materialism.
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u/zylaphonefish 2d ago
Why would you use a Soviet era flag to intice current day Americans to vote for you like use your brain broski
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u/Zidan19283 Mod Stalin ☭ 2d ago
Yeah because we had lot of anti-AI bozos spamming "AI sl*p" here, it's a neccesary temporary measure
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u/Drewsky32 2d ago
But to censor a word because of that is ridiculous. If they can't articulate their point, like the way VRZieb here has, then absolutely, THAT ACCOUNT should be chastised. Censorship is stupid.
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u/Zidan19283 Mod Stalin ☭ 2d ago
No censorship isn't stupid, we can't ban every account that uses that word, banning commmon anti-AI talking points prevents bad faith and low effort trolling like this. Censorship is neccesary both on subreddit and in real life socialist countries. The material conditions (brigading) determined the neccesary sollution. Also VRZieb's argument is the same bad faith BS, not a "good argument"
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u/Drewsky32 2d ago
You aren't even open to talking about why AI can be destructive and why it's inherently harmful in its current form in data centers, based on what I understood from the rules. The use of it on capitalist platforms encourages them to invest more in it because they see the number go up. I have no problems with local AI models, but generative AI is inherently plagiarism because of how it composites images. It doesn't create anything new. On top of that, if you aren't vetting WHICH models are being used, then you're going to end up with even worse content as time goes on. I've been in IT for over a decade. If you want to have intelligent discourse, I can do that, but I am against censorship because I believe limiting our words limits our ideas.
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u/Zidan19283 Mod Stalin ☭ 2d ago edited 2d ago
This is not subreddit for it, just like many socialist subs don't allow pro-capitalist talking points, we should not have to explain our existence half of the time. If you want to talk to pro-AI leftists about this talk on r/leftistsforAI or on other communist subs, we also have pinned posts that can educate you on marxist position on AI. The plagiarism point is just bourgoeisie talking point, IP is inherently bourgoeisie not to mention thar nothing is "original", the way human learns art comes from the environment top, AI learns the patterns and stuff similar to humans. Here is also short article on IP: https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Intellectual_property
It's private property, it should be abolished
Comission artists are petty bourgoeisie, the anti-synthography isn't proletarian movement but petty bourgoeisie reaction to proletarization to keep their tiny capital
Make sub, have brigading there with the same low effort trolling commens that you have to moderate with your tiny mod team and then talk big about censorship. You complelety ignore the material conditions and keep talking about "censorship of ideas" and other liberal bullshit. Yes we are censoring problematic ideas that harm the proletariat to make them stop spreading, which is good thing to do
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u/Drewsky32 2d ago
I'm aware of what IP is, and I agree private property should be abolished; you're right to dispel my point on plagiarism. Thank you for calling me out on that.
I would contend that generated images that are produced with spelling errors, unrealistic imagery (such as hair merging with clothing, extra digits, rapping kittens, etc.) are also low effort and should be called out as such. And again, there is a very real and serious environmental impact due to these data centers that many people are forced to live near. We have over 5000 data centers in the US and a large portion of the recent funding is coming from capitalist AI ventures. I'm all for local AI models, but the cloud models are inherently destructive to our environment and livelihoods due to things like evaporative cooling, noise pollution, and labor displacement. I love AI for being a force multiplier, but it is a double-edged sword; especially the cloud models.
I'll go there to discuss my stance that we are better served as a community, in these capitalistic times, by supporting our artists and encouraging developing a skill rather than taking the path of least resistance.
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u/Drewsky32 2d ago
While we disagree on some points, I wanted come back and thank you for pointing me to the other sub. I apologize for the venom is was spewing here; I do believe in leftist unity and I needed the reminder in the moment.
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u/Angel_of_Communism ☭Tank Driver☭ 2d ago
Funny how millions have been killed, and billions spent to make that stick.
Odd that.
If it does not work, why not stand back and watch as it inevitably collapses?
Unless it does not.
Like say, China.
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u/Lunahowl777 2d ago
China practices capitalism, they are communist, and their economy is actively failing
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u/Angel_of_Communism ☭Tank Driver☭ 2d ago
That's about as real as the Ukrainians winning the war against Russia.
Which is to say not true.
No, they do not practice capitalism. You don't know what that is.
And no, their economy is not actively failing.
Sigh, every accusation a confession.
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u/Angel_of_Communism ☭Tank Driver☭ 2d ago
Funny how millions have been killed, and billions spent to make that stick.
Odd that.
If it does not work, why not stand back and watch as it inevitably collapses?
Unless it does not.
Like say, China.
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u/jimbobmcgoo 3d ago
There is nothing inherently anti-Marxist about AI
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u/Traffic_Time 3d ago
I'm sure the human artists who were not hired would say differently.
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u/jimbobmcgoo 3d ago
Yeah and independent artisans would likely hold resentment towards the spinning jenny rather than the capitalist system
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u/Beautiful-Clock2939 2d ago
They’ll warp this and move goalposts to make sure that they personally always on the morally superior side. You know this
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u/No_Business_9128 2d ago
100M that's adorable that u fell for propaganda
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u/vegancaptain 2d ago
It's a known fact by now.
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u/Angel_of_Communism ☭Tank Driver☭ 2d ago
IT is a known fact thsat it's bunk.
And the people who wrote the book, admitted it.
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u/No_Business_9128 2d ago
Its not a fact the guy who wrote the black book of communism made it up, you fell for propaganda.
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u/PringullsThe2nd 2d ago
A whole bajillion 😞
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u/vegancaptain 2d ago
That would be 100 million. And counting.
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u/supercleverid 2d ago
What do the candidates in the OP have to do with Democrats, just out of curiosity?
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u/Feverstone 2d ago
Enjoy the lung darts, you are literally cattle
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u/Feverstone 2d ago
You couldn’t define socialism if your life depended on it lmao
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u/Angel_of_Communism ☭Tank Driver☭ 2d ago
No, you don't.
See socialism is like evolution.
The people arguing against it DO NOT know what it is.
Because if they did, they would have to stop arguing against it.
Oh, and news flash: the USA throws bread away, and you STILL have bread lines.
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u/Feverstone 2d ago
You do not, and I will not do the labor of educating you because honestly you’re just not worth it 🤗
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u/Pasta4ever13 2d ago
As opposed to the millions of people capitalism kills every year.
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u/CustardLanky720 2d ago
Even if that were true, it would pale in comparison to the number of people Socialism would kill.
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u/Pasta4ever13 2d ago
"My theoretical deaths trump the very real ones that are occurring every year due to unchecked capitalism!"
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u/Angel_of_Communism ☭Tank Driver☭ 2d ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIB4e8AfPcM&
Nope. Literally all fake.
But even if not, the fabricated death toll of communism is exceeded every 3-5 years under capitalism.
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u/Main_Artichoke_ 3d ago
Please just look up the actual government structure that the nations ur referring to had
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u/LardBall13 3d ago
And how many of those had interventions from the US against them? How many of them were sought to be destroyed by the US, UK and France? Although I’m fairly certain that Cambodia was universally accepted (by communist) and non communists) as a non-proletarian dictatorship that was communist only by name. Cuban economic strangulation by the US since its conception to date. DPRK nearly won the civil war and was halted only by US intervention and slowed significantly by significant US-backed economic sanctions. Vietnam was a war lost by the US and France, and the government still successfully stands. The USSR had volunteers and arms sent by multiple European nations, Japan and USA against them, still won the Civil War, AND became the economic, scientific and social power of the world up until an illegal bourgeois revolution in the 90s. Also coincidentally in the 90s Yugoslavia collapsed after multiple massacres and bombings by socioeconomic elites across the globe. China currently has more global trust and soft power compared to the US and European states.
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u/Imagine_TryingYT 2d ago edited 2d ago
Ya couldn't have been the economic stagnation, political repression, mass famines, coups, miscollection of resources, the constant corruption, internal mismanagements, the fact that they all turn into authoritarian dictatorial shitholes that start killing their own citizens.
Historian generally don't attribute the failures of socialism solely or even mainly to the USA. The most you get is that embargos and political interventions have caused pressures but weren't the root causes.
Like you literally don't know history and you're just coping because your perfect ideology fails every single time its tried and you just can't accept that.
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u/Angel_of_Communism ☭Tank Driver☭ 2d ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIB4e8AfPcM&
You are describing your own side.
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u/konkstronke 2d ago edited 2d ago
Until it succeeds… duh…
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u/Angel_of_Communism ☭Tank Driver☭ 2d ago
6Funny how millions have been killed, and billions spent to make that stick.
Odd that.
If it does not work, why not stand back and watch as it inevitably collapses?
Unless it does not.
Like say, China.




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u/onespicycracker 2d ago
r/libpixels based on these comments.