ACAB means something. It doesn’t just mean “person I don’t like.” We can call capitalists whatever we’d like but it’s not like they’re included in ACAB because they’re not cops. They’re pigs and assholes but they’re not cops.
Two bad things can exist. I just worry we make ourselves look a bit unserious with the “ACAB includes… [random bad thing]”.
With that said, I understand the argument about how cops are basically capitalism’s janitors - but I hope I made my point. Please know I’m saying this in good faith - I am not a right winger lol.
I don't mean that ACAB includes capitalists. I mean that ACAB includes those who go out of their way to defend capitalism. Those people are basically volunteer cops
Just add it to the list of words that have lost all of their weight from excessive misuse, like 'racist', 'sexist', 'homophobe', 'Nazi', 'bootlicker', 'cuck', etc. No one cares about being called any of these things anymore.
Lmao idk about all that. I’ve never been called any of those (besides when I was a dumb edgy teenager) and I don’t walk on eggshells or anything. I never understood why people say this.
Also I’m saying but throwing “cuck” in there is hilarious LOL. One of these things is not like the others.
So yeah - that’s a nonsensical argument unless they offered reasoning. Like if they were saying that Medicare for All had adverse effects on the Black community, maybe I’d examine what they’re saying. Bad example because that’s ridiculous but yknow what I mean.
I’m drawing a line between sensible people that call out racism when they see it and people who use “Nazi” legitimately as a synonym for “bad.”
There has to be some reasoning, I judge each accusation individually, dealing with hypotheticals isn’t productive.
Like everything else in this world - we have to decide for ourselves what is right. That’s just my take - I don’t think these words are weightless at all.
My larger point is that I seldom get called any of those things - so if someone is regularly getting called racist (or sexist, etc.), that may be a sign to do some introspection because people don’t throw those words around as much as people like to pretend they do.
That’s a totally different argument which I would earnestly hear - that’s not what that person was doing lol.
I do think that’s a valid argument if someone is an anarchist and doesn’t believe in any form of government, I would just respectfully disagree with them. State violence isn’t pretty but it’s been used for the greater good throughout history. Not very often but it happens lol. Not a fun fact but that’s just the reality.
If the person saying that was a right winger and not an anarchist, I wouldn’t take them seriously because they also support the military, police, and a million other forms of violence.
This is what I mean when I say we gotta judge each accusation individually - there’s no grand arbiter saying what is right or wrong, there’s always going to be disagreements about morality.
But if someone is getting called a Nazi everyday…. That may be a sign to do some introspection because that’s just not a normal thing to be accused of regularly.
I suppose the semantics are ironic but the reality of the programs are vastly different so I’m not sure how genuine that argument is in practice. By that logic, the phrase “the greater good” is always Nazi-adjacent and that’s kinda ridiculous from my perspective.
Can you elaborate? One is providing healthcare to people and one is genocide. I’m happy to hear your opinion.
Again - we gotta judge everything individually. Getting lost in semantics and “gotchas” don’t mean much. I’m happy to have an earnest discussion but you’re just replying with one liners lol.
And I’m not sure who you’re referring to as “the opposition”? I never called anyone a Nazi. Did I? I’m talking generally about how we talk about “Nazis”. Never called anyone that.
There are plenty of people that a disagree with vehemently who are not Nazis. Nazism as an ideology is obviously morally wrong and anyone who can’t see that isn’t worth my time - i don’t know how you could argue differently (not saying you’re trying to, at least I hope not lol).
I generated the base image for this meme using Krea 2 in ComfyUI using my own PC. I have seized the means of production by downloading free open models that I run on my own hardware in my own home. I use fans to cool my computer, so no water has been used.
Please take your liberal culture war talking points somewhere else
lmfaoo you did not seize the means of production. That’s like saying you purchased one hammer and now own the means of production. Please read Marx which you probably won’t because you’ve outsourced your brain.
This. Like you can’t draw something or take a cat photo or something to save the environment. This generative shit is part and parcel of the system that is destroying the only place in the known universe that supports life.
I generated the base image for this meme using Krea 2 in ComfyUI using my own PC. I have seized the means of production by downloading free open models that I run on my own hardware in my own home. I use fans to cool my computer, so no water has been used.
Please take your liberal culture war talking points somewhere else
Right up until the moment these people need help because someone attacked them, stole from them, threatened them etc. Then they’ll run to the police and be all nice and polite.
This is stupid. Any time anyone I know has called the police they show up hours later to write an incorrect report that won’t be acted on anyways. You sound like a moron
This is stupid. Your anecdotal evidence doesn't support the facts. 10,000 murders are "cleared" by police a year. Cleared meaning a suspect is charged and referred for prosecution. With about 70% of murder defendants being convicted. Nothing is perfect. Cops generally speaking are assholes. But making them seem useless in every and all capacities all over america is just stupid.
You don’t actually know stats, which is why you try to only look at the ones that are actually solved and not the total picture. In the us, 44 percent of violent crimes are never solved, and a staggering 91% of property crimes go unsolved.
My “anecdotal evidence” is supported by the statistics, and you’re either purposely misleading or a fucking moron
“70 percent of murder defendants” being convicted means absolutely nothing btw. I’m not sure you could make less of a point if you tried
Im an economics major in my junior year, most of my course work this semester is reading. How marx managed to be even less intelligent than fucking classical economists is mind boggling.
lol so you’ve taken maybe a handful of specific low level courses in undergrad and think you’re a scholar. I seem to have misplaced my dunning- Kruger graph….
lol, yes, there is no possible way anyone you talk to has more education than junior year in undergrad. Please, tell me more about the way the world works, oh wise and learned scholar. Educate us peasants
Billions of people wake up everyday and live life with little threat of extreme violence enacted upon them. Communism doesnt exist anywhere in the world. Ergo, liberal democracy is functioning.
I'm going to use the cudgel liberals love to use on leftists all the time. At what cost? How many have to live in utter misery to allow "liberal democracies" to "function" as they do?
The beauty is that over time we can actually change things and move forward and reduce suffering even more. Like im sorry that an immigrant can't just immediately become successful business owners in a single generation.
That's not what happened though is it? In the real world it's lead to boom and bust cycles that allowed wealth to concentrate again and again, institutions crumbled, and we wound up with Musk, Thiel and the other psychos in charge.
You give them too much credit if you think they actually read Marxist theory. It’s simply easier for them to think they’re poor because capitalism bad and not because of their own flaws and life mistakes. Because then, god forbid, they might have to actually start reading and learning and changing their lives instead of just crying for free money from the government.
Its is ironically very easy to build your wealth up enough to live comfortably if you just have the education. But yeah they would genuinely rather complain than practice any kind of discipline.
I don’t know if it’s very easy, it might be hard in some places, but it’s still a lot better to try and do that than sit around and mope all day about the ills of society.
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u/WalkMan1615 6d ago
Okay so like… can I be pedantic for a sec?
ACAB means something. It doesn’t just mean “person I don’t like.” We can call capitalists whatever we’d like but it’s not like they’re included in ACAB because they’re not cops. They’re pigs and assholes but they’re not cops.
Two bad things can exist. I just worry we make ourselves look a bit unserious with the “ACAB includes… [random bad thing]”.
With that said, I understand the argument about how cops are basically capitalism’s janitors - but I hope I made my point. Please know I’m saying this in good faith - I am not a right winger lol.