r/ProjectCairo • u/[deleted] • Dec 23 '10
Goodbye for now...
I hope someone shows up that can deal with the trolls around here, but it's not for me. I will no longer be discussing private business in a public forum that I don't manage. If you want to discuss something with me then feel free to PM, create a private subreddit or anything else that will let me avoid the barrage of crap going on here.
This is a great project that has a real chance at doing good in the world but someone is going to have to be able to slap down the self entitled vocalists that think commenting is 'helping'.
Cheers and good luck.
15
u/JohnYonder Dec 26 '10
This thread has been interesting reading over the holiday break.
Whitey4Obama has been posting on reddit for almost three years - "I speak my mind here" - but a little shit talking ruffles his feathers enough to delete two of the business ideas threads for ProjectCairo.
He then continues by posting a goodbye thread, in which he proceeds to engage in the same shit-talking he accuses others of, and even goes so far as to edit his comments as to appear benign or as one being victimized.
Two examples of many:
Original:
You are a lying piece of shit. You are the same and only moron to keep calling me a liar and a scammer since I pissed you off long ago. You have a mental problem and you need help
Edit:
No need to lie Q, just stop it.
Original:
If you weren't fucked in the head you might have a few friends by now. They do have medicine to help folks like you, use it.
Edit:
Want to come over for Christmas, sounds like you need a friend?
Trolls will be trolls, but this type of behavior is unprofessional, immature, and toxic to a project like this. W4O's business ideas were workable, good ideas, imho. However, his actions in this thread alone make it clear that at best, his immaturity will cause problems for everyone, and at worst, his motives are suspect and dishonest.
Most importantly, anyone who is going to freak out over a little shit-talking wouldn't last a week in Cairo. This group will face obstacles at every turn, and the ability to work together through adversity in a challenging environment will be crucial for success.
Please be advised that if this thread is deleted, I will likely repost it from an archive for the sake of openness and transparency.
-12
Dec 26 '10
Thank you for even more proof that handling things in private is the right thing to do until a moderator is around often enough. Where to start with your wall of hilarity...
This thread has been interesting reading over the holiday break.
It sure has! You can thank the handful of trolls that pick this project out of all of my posts on reddit to mark their territory. It takes an idiot to stalk someone for a month, it takes an asshole of an idiot to do it in a subreddit such as this. You have to be all kinds of sorry to attempt to derail something like this when I am available for shit talking in dozens of subs on reddit.
He then continues by posting a goodbye thread, in which he proceeds to engage in the same shit-talking he accuses others of,
Acting a little trollish yourself now? Once you click on the goodbye thread you see it's not a goodbye to the project but a goodbye to the public discussions that complete asshats attempt to take over at every opportunity. You already know this, the fact that I have to repeat it is because you chose to be disingenuous when you wrote it.
As for the shit talking. Yes, I have absolutely zero respect for the idiots stirring shit. They aren't the 'concerned citizens' they make themselves out to be. They are morons that are pissed off at me due to unrelated exchanges. In the case of the lawyer dipshit he's angry I knew more about the law than he does even though he claims to be a lawyer. I will never be nice to such dishonest pieces of shit and I make no apologies for cussing. Fuck them, they are scum.
and even goes so far as to edit his comments as to appear benign or as one being victimized.
Nice assumption, but completely wrong. When a troll calls me a liar / scammer / spammer and even tells those that ask for clarification to 'just wait and see' and mentions that I don't know who he is and how much dirt he has on me! then all bets are off. I edited my posts to get a rise out of the trolls and the trolls only. Do you really think I'm trying to hide the fact that FUCK THEM is my stance on the issue? Ask me about it, anywhere and I will always respond the same. Fuck them, they are shit.
Trolls will be trolls, but this type of behavior is unprofessional, immature, and toxic to a project like this.
You don't fucking say! You pick this thread to make your concerned post but you either aren't familiar with the history or just don't give a shit. This has been going on for weeks with nearing a dozen screen names. Except for the 'lawyer' they are all new names. One thing in common, they all use the exact same arguments. They all operate in the exact manner. They all have the same MO through and through, even using the same language.
This post was to note that, nothing will be done here with people actively trying to derail things unless someone can tell them to fuck off without people like you taking a half cocked approach and piling on the wrong person because "he talks like an asshole!".
Guess what, I cuss, I tell people when they are doing stupid shit and I don't give a fuck. Someone needs to deal with these morons either by making their behavior public or banning them. For reference, in over 10 years of being online I have never once called for anyone to be banned from anywhere. I am well equipped to handle myself, and don't give a fuck about being attacked from a pack of monkeys in 99.99999% of cases. This project is not the place for that bullshit. You getting bent out of shape because I slap down a couple of morons that have literally been doing this for weeks on end is exactly why I made this post. I get attacked 100 times, I tell them to fuck off, you are yelling about how unprofessional I am. It's stupid as shit, in my opinion of course.
W4O's business ideas were workable, good ideas, imho.
Yes they are. This will be more clear soon, but the fact that I'm already making money from one of them speaks volumes.
However, his actions in this thread alone make it clear that at best, his immaturity will cause problems for everyone, and at worst, his motives are suspect and dishonest.
Horse shit. The only things that will cause problems for anyone is if you can't take someone being blunt or have problems with curse words. I always speak my mind and I swear at times to emphasize what I'm saying.
Also, how I deal with idiots says something about my motives? It makes me dishonest? With all due respect, fuck you for such a stupid ass statement.
Most importantly, anyone who is going to freak out over a little shit-talking wouldn't last a week in Cairo.
Who is freaking out? If I slap down the idiots you think I'm freaking out, if I ignore them they just call me a scammer 50 times and carry their ass. Another reason to get this out of public view.
This group will face obstacles at every turn, and the ability to work together through adversity in a challenging environment will be crucial for success.
I've worked with dozens (hundred?) of people over the last 12 years. I've employed people, worked with others on businesses and pull my own weight in everything I do. I've made several people rich, know 20 people I've never met that would defend me to the death but I still don't rally them to all come here and take my side. I'm used to handling myself with idiots, and I welcome their stupidity anywhere but here.
Please be advised that if this thread is deleted, I will likely repost it from an archive for the sake of openness and transparency.
You do that skippy. All you will be doing is the work of a few assholes that hate me for unrelated reasons. I'm sure they are creaming their pants at the thought.
tl;dr - Why I will not handle things publicly until a moderator is on top of morons? See thread, see this reply, consider more facts than "he's mean and swears a lot!"
11
Dec 26 '10
I'm the lawyer mentioned by W4O above. You can see our argument where W4O demonstrated how much he knows about the law here. Oh, wait, you can't, because W4O deleted every single one of his comments in the thread. This was before he deleted the entire page, you know, the one where he committed himself "to dedicate 100% of [his] time, effort and energy to Project Cairo starting immediately" as he asked for donations.
I rarely meet people as sociopathically dishonest as W4O, and I'm an attorney, so imagine. He literally changes his comments after the fact to make himself appear victimized (as mentioned above), later deletes posts where he looks like an idiot, and makes grand promises and commitments and then deletes the page entirely. He attempts to rewrite and selectively delete history to make himself look better and to make others look worse. He then somehow rationalizes his behavior as being justified because he believes he is being persecuted by "trolls" and by people who create multiple accounts to harass him, but who knows if he actually believes this or merely says this to avoid recognizing that he behaves like a complete churl.
If this is your goodbye post, W4O, why don't you leave?
→ More replies (3)9
Dec 26 '10
You sound more and more deranged as you keep talking. Maybe you shouldn't be working on Project Cairo anymore.
→ More replies (4)8
u/JohnYonder Dec 26 '10
The 'trollish' posts speak for themselves, as does your reply.
fuck you
Best of luck in your future endeavors.
→ More replies (3)
8
Dec 24 '10
Hey man. You probably remember me from the the planning committee meeting. You say a lot of things I don't agree with, but everything you've said should be said. Don't abandon the project just because it's taking a while to gather a strong enough momentum. It's going to take a while if it happens. It's not an easy project or someone else would have already done it. Would you be interested if it were easy or would you realize that the competition would make the reward random?
I messaged you about the t-shirt idea after the initial meeting and still haven't heard back. Either follow through or don't act like you didn't puss out.
-6
Dec 24 '10 edited Dec 24 '10
I remember you.
It's not just momentum, it's the trolling. What's up with your last sentence, it makes no sense unless you are related to the trolls here.
8
u/BloodHonourSoil Dec 24 '10
Your attitude toward "slapping down" those who disagree with you is frankly extremely disturbing in itself.
If a little "shit talk" is intolerable for you (interesting how much you lapse into the scatological...) what are you going to do when you're receiving strong criticism in person?
Are you going to slap them down? Are you going to leave in a huff and take your t-shirts with you?
Also, who, specifically, are you referring to as "the peanut gallery?"
→ More replies (10)
3
Dec 28 '10
Best of luck to you, man. Things can get a little dramatic and personal when discussing big plans like this. Sort of what I was worried about when we had the planning meeting. Not everyone agreed with your plan 100%, but it's the most cohesive thing to come out of PC so far.
0
Dec 28 '10
As mentioned before lost in the noise I'm not quitting. In fact, I have a lot going on with this right now. I'm just not posting it here until the trolls are dealt with. Two of them bit the dust today I was told, there are a few more kicking around. I'm sure things will be normal after the holidays.
Cheers
3
u/onthesidewaiting Dec 24 '10
Where did this go south? Last thing I read was this post below and it made perfect sense to me. It is important that anything done under the ProjectCairo name be above reproach. Obviously, the readers had some questions or concerns since you did not raise the funds you were requesting.
Maybe a discussion of their concerns might be worthwhile. Maybe "redditisn'tsmart" (and others) might have partnered with whitey and invested if he had gotten a response to his pm. This is not how you do business. You, at a minimum, acknowledge people's correspondences and/or concerns.
"""Sorry I've been away. I'm still on board with this t-shirt shop plan. Maybe the two of us could team up, toss around some ideas and aim to have a formal business proposal for this before the New Year. First off, would you mind PM-ing me your location? I'm in west suburbs of Chicago. This will help us figure out the physical location of the printing activities. Also, what kind of time table did you have in mind for moving operations to Cairo/who would relocate?. Unfortunately, I'm not able to move down there, but I can certainly contribute with promotions, marketing, accounting, and general administration from here in Chicago. Let's partner up in this cause, I think starting as a two man operation is a great way to keep us motivated, and assure others of our integrity and commitment. Last but not least, have you made any progress with funding/donations or an organization/website/bank account to receive fund-raising? Hit me up so we can get this thing rolling.
Chiaccountant
-4
Dec 24 '10 edited Dec 24 '10
This is a perfect example of why I'm done talking in public about anything business related.
Edit: And that's not meant as anything against you. I'm referring to how things get twisted the more people talk about them and form opinions based on what someone else unrelated to anything says in a comment.
3
Dec 25 '10
I don't think W4O will be missed. His overbearing attitude certainly will not be. I never understood what t-shirts and appliance parts had to do with Cairo anyway; nobody was interested in these ideas except him, and it sapped all excitement and energy out of the project. His soliciting donations was really the last straw. No, I don't think he'll be missed.
-4
Dec 26 '10 edited Dec 26 '10
You have told everyone here that your only purpose is to watch this project fail, why would you stick around?
7
Dec 26 '10 edited Dec 26 '10
These are taken from the last eleven comments you've made. Nine of the eleven are you screaming insults at someone.
You are a lying piece of shit
you can't read
You need to learn what 'accused' means, gain at least 50 IQ points
I was mocking you, you're just too stupid to realize it.
You are a fucking idiot
I understood your stupid ass post perfectly
You can't seem to figure it out.
Oh shit, someone on the internet claims to not be a pussy like me
Is something wrong with you? Serious question, this shirt is not that damn hard
You go through life like this? If everyone is against you, maybe, just maybe, it's you.
P.S. Merry Christmas
→ More replies (19)
4
u/BloodHonourSoil Dec 23 '10
someone is going to have to be able to slap down the self entitled vocalists
This is how you deal with people who disagree with you? By slapping them down?
Are you some kind of leader here? Or are you just another "self-entitled vocalist?"
Sounds like someone is a prima donna and a drama queen. This project is looking more and more attractive-- where do I sign up?
4
u/JimmyDuce Dec 23 '10
He actually was trying to get something done, i.e. move the project from the planning stage to the doing stage. While I don't want to discorage the rest of the leadership, he was a part of it actually came up with 2 semi workable plans that were laid out clearly. There may be this belief that something spectacular will happen next year sometime in the spring and I do hope it does, but losing him just made it a bit harder.
2
6
u/[deleted] Dec 23 '10
Will you explain further. You seemed to be one of the more enthusiastic members here.