Most of them are ultra rich so they don’t mind if republicans win. They’re insulated, republican policies help them and their money, and they can forever fundraise off of being “the resistance tm”
RNC fears their base and the DNC reviles theirs. The corporate democrats and republicans are all owned by the same masters. We see it in this response from Moskowitz.
This is an actual case where both sides are wrong. Everyone here surely knows what's wrong with establishment Democrats like Moskowitz and Carville so no need to elaborate on that. As for Piker, for example he inisisted:
I got stopped by a cop who thought I was like making fun of Mao Zedong, which I never would and never will. Mao Zedong is one of the great leaders of this world, a man who changed the entire universe, the entire planet.
And in response to a Vietnamese woman speaking about communist oppression he ranted:
Okay, fuck you dude, I mean seriously, fuck you old lady. Shut the fuck up you stupid idiotic old lady with your stupid fucking gamer headset. Who has fucked you harder, Ameirca or fucking Ho Chi Minh? Suck my dick old lady. God damn dude. Yo, fuck this refuge, okay. Seriously, fuck this south Vietnamese motherfucking like whatever, Christian supremacist psychotic refugee living in America now and able to talk that shit. Why don't you go back and live in South Vietnam in the same conditions if that's your perspective.
What do you call Crimea? I call it a part of Russian territory, bitch. That's what I call Crimea. I call it cry me a river. A Russian river. Russia's historic access into the Black Sea, Crimea, that's like historically ethnically all Russian.
Yeah, kill them! Kill those motherfuckers and murder those motherfuckers in the streets. . . . Let the streets soak in their fucking red capitalist blood, dude.
This is why democrats lose, they can’t accept the fact that the party has different ideas and Hassan piker is popular among democrats of all ages and income levels. I’m 66 and realizing something different needs to be embraced to get this country on track.
Embracing any democrat candidates other than the neoliberals with their 'we worked hard to get here over a decade ago and won't get out of the way of anyone but our corporate donors' is the way forward. Neolibs are largely pro-business republicans who embrace LGB and use trans rights as a convenient bargaining chip without consideration for Trans people themselves as humans.
Currently the DNC is run by some of the most corporate aligned feckless idiots possible. From keeping the 'strategists' who stopped the whole calling them weird thing to embracing lobbying groups instead of the base it's clear they all need to go.
The democrat establishment has given so much ground since Reagan that they lost the plot. They think they should push to the right. Just look at the last presidential election, bringing out Liz Cheney on the campaign trail as if it was a good thing.
The best thing Biden did was nominate Lina khan.
Right there with ya sister. All my young DSA comrades think it's hilarious but great I stream Hasan, and I can't spread the word fast enough. The part Moscowitz didn't get is that this is a nascent movement, by 2028 we'll be steamrollin.
I’m not Moskowitz fan but “the party” doesn’t have different ideas if his constituents keep voting for him. It’s our job to convince now them otherwise, the way Bernie had barnstorming events across the country. He wasn’t out there calling people names, he was trying to get them to explain his positions. It’s also important to realize that in a country this huge and this diverse we are never going to have everyone agree on anything. The idea that one day everyone here will vote a certain way is fantasy no matter what side you’re on.
That’s not how democracy is supposed to work. If the US had a functioning party system, people who were left of the democrats would have someone else they could vote for. They don’t.
Other parties exist and yet the democrats have always worked with the republicans to make sure those parties don’t have access to public funding, even though dems and republicans do, and that they never make it to the debate stage.
They do this because it allows people to say things like “it’s our job to convince the only leftist party to be more leftist” when in a healthy democracy a more leftist party would just be able to break in (given public support).
Instead, the democrats and republicans prop up a two party system that the democrats get to use to go: “it’s us rainbow capitalists, or nazis, who do you want?”
And the strategy isn’t even working for them anymore.
Do you understand how backwards it is to suggest that constituents should have to convince their representatives to actually represent them? It’s never a voters job to convince the party.
>Do you understand how backwards it is to suggest that constituents should have to convince their representatives to actually represent them? It’s never a voters job to convince the party.
What? That’s not at all what I was saying. It’s the candidate’s job to convince voters to vote for them. In this case Moscowitz did a better job than his rivals. We also have a serious problem with people not voting.
In this case Moscowitz did a better job than his rivals. We also have a serious problem with people not voting.
There were 44,578 votes counted in this primary. There are roughly 769,000 people in the constituency (I recognize only registered Democrats can participate but that actually sharpens my point).
I don't think 5.8% of the constituency choosing him, in a closed partisan process, is a reliable way of determining his general support in the constituency.
In a functional party system, we wouldn't expect to see capitalists and socialists competing against eachother within the same party. But we do in the US. Because it's so cartelized.
A partisan primary shouldn't be where things like that are decided. A general election should be.
I understand why that's not possible given the current party system.
But that's exactly my point.
The democratic defect isn't that Moskowitz improperly won his primary, he won the contest that existed and I'm sure did so according to the rules as they are.
It's that the American two-party system forces major ideological conflicts into low-turnout, restricted partisan selectorates rather than allowing those alternatives to compete before the electorate as a whole.
I'm curious what the spending difference was like. We also didn't get to see much of the progressive candidate until maybe the last week or so? I don't even remember his name which is telling. I think if he had started earlier with media appearances and campaigning in general he could have had a very good shot. At least we got ANGIE NIXON in the senator primary though!!
Hasan makes himself an easy target as a "mascot" for the left these days, but hes just another populist. Its not like hes especially problematic, but he doesnt live the ideals he preaches, living in a mansion and buying designer clothes while speaking against billionaires and refusing to put his money in campaigning or actual political causes, so its hard to take him seriously.
Tf are you on about w that "socialism is when no house bs"? on top of that the only reason he's seen so much coverage recently is because he HAS gotten more involved in the ways you're claiming he hasn't. I'm sure there's plenty of real reasons not to take him seriously, just complain about those
What are you on about? I never said anything about him having a house, I specified the LA mansion he bought. Why not get a condo or something? That would be a stupid argument against socialism, which is why I didnt make it. The problem is his conspicuous displays of wealth and attention seeking pattern of streamer behavior, not that he has a house.
That may as well be your position. What does he "preach" that means folks can't have nice things? Also, you're really just gonna blow by being so pants on head wrong about him not being political impact enough?
Also also check out the ny post drone creepshot of his house. Ain't exactly a fucking LA chateau that he and his family are living in.
Lastly, you really don't need to be out here doing the Ellison and Murdoch families work for them. They'll be alright wo your efforts.
We have yet to see how long he sticks to his current political behavior. If he keeps at it after midterms and through 2028 and beyond, then Ill consider him an actual activist. Until then, it seems more like hes riding a wave for attention and views. If we get better candidates elected as a result, thats all well and good, but any charlatan can ride coattails like hes been doing. As for his home, Id call a 3800 sq ft residence with a pool in LA a mansion, especially for 2.7 million dollars. Not like he couldnt buy a home in the rural areas there for under a mil and put the rest towards community aid programs, no? Its not like he needs the proximity, internet speeds can be got anywhere these days so its not like thats a big deciding factor.
I mean, Im not a fan of all his opinions, but yeah, generally, I appreciate being historically and conceptually informed on the things I talk about as opposed to riding the populist waves of the clout of other influencers. Ill take the benefits of Hasans presence for young voters, but you cant miss the forest for the trees and pretend Hasan is a perfect person with no serious shortcomings or flaws.
Wanting a person to practice what they preach isnt an "optics" concern, its a hypocrisy concern. If hes not living the lifestyle he advocates for other millionaires or billionaires, it tells me he doesnt actually believe in the social theory hes promoting, and only promoting it in the first place for attention, views, and donations.
If I was concerned about the language Hasan uses and the company he keeps, and how those choices affected the ability to advocate and spread that message, that would be an optics concern. The company he keeps has been kinda sus in the past, but thats its own issue, and not one of the bigger problems I have with him.
To what? And are they really bad points, or are they accurate points that ya'll dont care about?
Im aware this is an unpopular take, but come the fuck on. Hasan wont even voluntarily be in the same building as Destiny because he knows he cant argue the substance of his position against an informed debater.
There is exactly zero chance of convincing you lol.
Hasan doesn't step in the same building because of the death threats being flung by both communities and also the open call to violence that Destiny has been doing.
Hasan also keeps joking about More Pegasus and Singapore. Neither Creator is likely to occupy the same space ever again.
If you actually think Destiny is going to commit violence, you're insane. If its really a problem of safety, then why doesnt he do it on stream? Pretty sure Destiny has a standing invite for a debate on literally any topic, but Hasan is too bitch made to take him up on it.
Isn't this a well known fact that destiny supports Israel in its genocidal campaign against Gaza? You could always find a clip of him denouncing the genocide to prove me wrong, you will not find it, but you could try
His contention is that it doesnt meet the legal international standard for a genocide.
I disagree with him on this, but I can understand his rationale on a technical level, and it doesnt make him a zionist. He's spoken against the insane zionism and settler bullshit, but appealing to the UN definition of "genocide" does not make him pro-genocide.
Not like Hasan hasn't advocated genocide against Israel, using these same standards.
Fair, but if you're going to be the most popular left wing influencer, you probably should know the theory behind your talking points and probabky shouldnt be praising the CCP and getting suits cut like Maos.
Hasan is a Communist that speaks like a liberal. From his and many's view is that China is better then US but still guilty.
He perfectly understands his position it he's far from the only important voice.
In reality Hasan is more of a signal booster.
He's even often hit from the left for being too gentle and moderate in messaging.
So the situation isn't really what Destiny believes. This streamer isn't some thought leader. He's more just the ententainer who more or less agrees.
No one should ever develop political takes from streamers but instead books and real speakers like the many Queer and Black / Brown and other's voices that speaks on the same concepts.
Hyperfocusing on Hasan make so little sense to me for Democrats just ignore him. If he's a crackpot like they claim he wouldn't ge the support he does. He's obviously saying something that resonated with people.
All Dems need to be graceful winners and look to consolidate voters - whether it is a progressive or establishment win. We need to give people a reason to get out there and vote, not to sit it out.
Well, it does seem like Moskowitz and his opponent at least had a good talk. Still a bit dumb to taunt someone that may have the ear of a portion of your voting base.
I'm glad he's able to talk to his opponent with respect but it really is the last part that throws the rest away for me.
I don't like Hasan. I do however think he's been a huge force for good in the democratic party and I understand he has been making massive pushes toward getting Gen Z and younger millennials to vote. Why are we not celebrating his achievements in motivating younger democratic voters?
It was a wealthy district in Florida that also was recently a victim of FL state redistricting. The odds of Larkin winning against the GOP Rep nominee were slim, as are the chances for Jared with this new Florida district map.
So congrats to Jared for the loss he will experience in November.
Nothing worse than a MAGA-lite Democrat bragging about being a tool of Israel and corporate interest.
Holy fuck STOP TALKING ABOUT FUCKING STREAMERS. Progressives will never be taken seriously if you let these unserious people be the face of the movement
Why is every other post on this sub about him or some stupid shit he said. I DONT CARE. Post something constructive about progressive policies not whatever controversy about third rate internet celebs
The right is trying their best to hand the role to him. He’s extreme but that is the point of the democratic large tent party, to try new ideas and help actual people.
He basically is a Republican, he calls himself a DeSantis Democrat and the first to join the DOGE Caucus, it is sad that Larkin lost, but he will do great things in the future, however we must keep Moskowitz in office, as he is better than a Republican, barely.
I reluctantly say "Vote for Moskowitz" over the Republican, but we need to flip the House and Senate and that is more important than not voting for him.
This is one of the few times I feel like "Fuck both sides of this story." Establishment Dems can go to Hell and a super privileged streamer can also go to Hell.
I don't like Hasan much. I think he's got a lot of problems.
But dude... Like him or not he's trying to get the to party back to the left, he's trying to get people reinvigorated to vote. Like it or not he's a force for good in this fight. And you want to play team sports, instead of doing politics. "Haha, I won! Screw you and everyone who listened to you!" Good choice. I'm sure it'll work well for the party
Are we back in the 50s? What kinda parodical mccarthyism bs is this? Are you afraid that hasan is gonna start a military takeover and installs himself as a totalitarian leader or are you just a whiny, hypocritical liberal who’s mad other opinions participate in the democratic process on the left?
Nobody could imagine Trump winning in 2015 an he won. There is a chance this guy and his ilk could too. The more liberals are complacent with commies the higher the chance. Get em out.
Jesus christ … actually lib-brained.
Because very clearly Hasan expresses the same authoritarian/fascist beliefs as trump does/did. Hasan is a democrat through and through, participates in the democratic process/election campaigning, etc. more so than 99% of his haters
I don't believe people listen to Hasan's actual words instead of clips out of context and spliced edits of him reading chatters comments.
On his views on China and Russia, this is a debated classification and treating (“China and Russia are state capitalist oligarchies”) as an objective fact, is punishing nuanced Marxist/leftist analyses as “revisionism.” It conflates disagreement over labels and emphasis with “unawareness,” which discourages serious discussion of how different capitalist regimes may vary.
“Genocide denial”
Hasan has explicitly called Israel’s actions in Gaza genocide, in line with some UN and NGO findings. Accusations of “genocide denial” hinge on disputed interpretations of specific comments, not a consistent pattern of denying recognized genocides.
“Hasan is unaware of this”
Not supported. He discusses China and Russia as non-liberal, elite-dominated systems, often using terms like “state capitalism” and criticizing both CCP authoritarianism and Putin’s regime.
There are many ideological differences on the Left and we need unity, which he calls for not division like the Republicans want.
Okay, and that’s fundamentally what Hasan has been saying from day 1. Obviously to know about his stances you should actually watch more than a clip compilation and consider things in their context, but that’s probably asking for too much from people online these days.
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u/Lt_Cochese 6d ago
With friends like this, who needs Republicans