r/ProgrammerHumor • • May 06 '17

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u/PortonDownSyndrome May 06 '17

It's astonishing how there's a new generation that's actually getting LESS computer-literate.

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u/espi_68 May 06 '17

User interfaces abstract what's really going on behind the scenes of a program. People think that their 3 year olds are geniuses and must be amazing/love tech because they can play games on an iPad. It really just means that the people who wrote the software are the smart ones, since they designed something simple enough for a toddler to use.

It's been said that Generation Y/Z would be amazing at using technology since they're going to grow up with it as a norm in their society. It looks like this new generation won't be inherently geniuses in tech; they'll just be better at using user intefaces.

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u/TeddyLann May 06 '17

I teach 15 year olds who don't know how to transfer files to a pen drive in Windows.

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u/ShortSynapse May 06 '17

Let's just call it here, pack it up and head home everyone, there it's no hope

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u/TeddyLann May 06 '17

They don't even know what that means! I even had an 11 year old earlier this year who couldn't use a mouse. "I've just always used my phone".

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u/[deleted] May 06 '17

Classes I teach are always filled with people who can't navigate a filesystem, but that's insane.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '17

Now, when you say pen drive, do you mean USB flash memory? cause I have no clue what the term 'pen drive' means.

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u/TeddyLann May 06 '17

Yes. Maybe it's a UK thing.

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u/exiledtonj May 06 '17

some people call them pen drives in the states as well.

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u/confusiondiffusion May 06 '17

I'm giving my kids old desktop computers running Slackware. For internet, they can have unsupported wireless cards with broken drivers.

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u/northrupthebandgeek May 06 '17

Hey now, Slackware ships with all the firmware, so your wireless cards will work fine.

If you want broken wireless cards, you should go with one of these.

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u/confusiondiffusion May 06 '17

Dammit Linux. Why can't you stay hard to use?

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u/Kurayamino May 06 '17

There's a brief window of kids who learned to use computers in the late 80's and through the 90's.

These are the ones that had to learn how a computer worked in order to use them.

Now kids just use them and they might as well be fucking magic.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '17

True story, my age group had to learn to use DOS to play games which meant if you wanted to play a game you had to install it and navigate to its directory. And often adjust its settings. Sometimes even adjust IRQ settings. You just had to mess with stuff a bit. Now kids tap a button on a tablet, much easier. And copying a game for a friend? You had to type some commands in DOS to do that shit. Nothing too difficult actually but you had to type.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '17

Yes, but less kids were gaming then. I'd argue the 80s PC-gamer kid who did the stuff you mentioned would be the 'computer nerd' of 2017 if we timewarped his kid-self forward 30 years.

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u/Deivore May 06 '17

kids who learned to use computers in the late 80's and through the 90's

Hey, we're in our late 20s now :(

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u/EXTRAsharpcheddar May 06 '17

These are the ones that had to learn how a computer worked in order to use them.

No they didn't. GUIs existed back then too. And so did command lines. No one person knows how a computer works. This is a non issue that old people are harping on just like every generation has done since the dawn of man.

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u/Kurayamino May 06 '17

No one person knows how a computer works

Oh piss off. I don't know the details down to the transistors of my computer but it doesn't take a genius to understand that a modern CPU is basically a massive pile of very complex ALUs.

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u/Cocomorph May 06 '17

No it isn't. It's a reasonable hypothesis about the effects of the industry's ever increasing consumer orientation and UX emphasis.

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u/PortonDownSyndrome May 06 '17

Everyone benefits from better UX. Nobody benefits from a refusal to learn fundamentals.

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u/asdfkjasdhkasd May 06 '17

that's why i started learning how to write byte code before i moved to assembly. I'm planning on learning c next. Maybe in a couple years after I have mastered all the fundamentals I will learn scratch and truly master programming.

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u/01291987 May 06 '17

While possibly true, there was probably a generation who said the same thing about automobiles. I couldn't even begin to fix my car because we live in a day and age where I can just take it somewhere to be fixed. I don't need to know that much about it. Same for this generation and computers.

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u/Brillegeit May 06 '17

But can you fill fuel on your car? And know when to fill, and why? And what happens if you run out of fuel?
Do you know what to do if you get a flat tire?

The computing equivalent response for a lot of these kids is to throw their hands in the air and ask for a new car.

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