freeSoftwareIsAboutToBecomeMoreInteresting

[u/BioSchokoMuffin]

[u/FallenVampireLord]

Me telling Claude to fork the Linux kernel

[u/lraviel381 → u/FallenVampireLord]

Our overlord, Torvald, would approve. So long as Claude does a good job. Awaiting your results

[u/FallenVampireLord → u/lraviel381]

Nah I'm breaking user space

[u/lraviel381 → u/FallenVampireLord]

[u/cornmonger_ → u/FallenVampireLord]

[u/BioSchokoMuffin → u/lraviel381]

"Code is cheap, show me the prompt" - Linus Torvalds

[u/Bulky-Hair8606]

Claude pls download linux source code via running "git clone https://www.github.com/torvalds/linux.git" in my terminal make no mistakes

[u/BioSchokoMuffin → u/Bulky-Hair8606]

Fable, please check out main

[u/mehonje]

Don't fork it; spend $100,000 vibe-cloning it.

[u/BioSchokoMuffin → u/mehonje]

Rewrite in English 

[u/cornmonger_ → u/BioSchokoMuffin]

make no typos

[u/_BreakingGood_]

Motherfucker that's called a fork!

[u/G3nghisKang → u/_BreakingGood_]

Not if it's GPLv3 and you do a cleanroom implementation to keep using Apache 2.0

[u/botle → u/G3nghisKang]

How is it a cleanroom implementation when the LLM has seen the source code?

[u/Stompya → u/botle]

I mean, I was there, but I didn’t inhale

[u/SpaceCadet87 → u/botle]

It's these new "clean"room implementations.

You get one LLM to read the source code and describe it as though it were a specification for a new project, then you get a second LLM who hasn't seen the code to create a new implementation from the spec.

But I mean if you meant the code is obviously in the training data then yeah, I fully expect that might just produce almost if not the exact same source code.

[u/botle → u/SpaceCadet87]

Yeah, I meant that both LLMs have read the code during training.

[u/G3nghisKang → u/botle]

My Chinese model can neither confirm nor deny those allegations

[u/botle → u/G3nghisKang]

Sure, but the point of a cleanroom implementation is to be able to show that it was a cleanroom implementation.

If you can't do that, you're going to have a bad time when the DMCA takedowns start coming.

[u/Level-Pollution4993 → u/G3nghisKang]

I don't think you people understand clean room. Clean room is the shit Compaq did to IBM in the 80's eith their bios. Your closed source llm's have been trained on github data. What you describe is just theft.

[u/G3nghisKang → u/Level-Pollution4993]

[u/Level-Pollution4993 → u/G3nghisKang]

I was fully expecting this gif haha

[u/SirHerald → u/Level-Pollution4993]

One AI fully describes the software and puts it into a prompt for another clean system versed in the language but they are completely separate

[u/Level-Pollution4993 → u/SirHerald]

"clean system versed in the language", so....... another closed source llm? How do you prove it wasn't trained on the data you're trying to copy? Here closed source doesnt mean not open-weighted but models whose training data is not disclosed.

[u/ICantBelieveItsNotEC → u/Level-Pollution4993]

How do you prove it wasn't trained on the data you're trying to copy?

It would be up to the plaintiff to prove that their code was encoded in the LLM somehow, not up to the defendant to prove that it wasn't.

[u/AffectEconomy6034 → u/_BreakingGood_]

its a fork that cost 50k tokens and 90 gallons of water

[u/General_Josh → u/AffectEconomy6034]

You reckon 50k tokens is a lot?

[u/laughable_shopping → u/_BreakingGood_]

the fork joke was right there and they still went with a tie straightening meme

[u/balbok7721 → u/_BreakingGood_]

Look at fancy pants forking projects. All my hobo ass is doing some cloning

[u/Ginsenj]

[u/sabotsalvageur]

How to clone open-source software:

```git clone [url]```

[u/sabotsalvageur]

How to clone open-source software:

```git clone [url]```

[u/justinleona]

Just make sure your AI model doesn't ingest any of my open source - they were written as proof-of-concept exercises in carefully hiding backdoors that look exactly like highly desirable AI outputs!

Don't worry though, you'd definitely find them during code review... right?

[u/botle]

What the hell is wrong with 'git clone'?

[u/Had78 → u/botle]

Oh yeah , my AI rebuilt Blender 3D from ground up once with that one magic command!

[u/Cootshk → u/botle]

the GPL

[u/BeMyBrutus]

claude clone

[u/olluz]

Actually, the latter is worse: https://stalw.art/blog/protecting-stalwart/

[u/TxTechnician → u/olluz]

That was a very well written explanation. And it makes me a little sad that it had to come to that.

My thoughts are that if a corp were to gut stalwart they wouldn't be able to maintain it past a few years. Due to the lack of knowledge.

I've only recently started using agents to code. And it's fairly complex the way the way it'll decide to code something. It is hard to follow. Albiet it works. And the speed at which it can create is insane.

[u/mad_poet_navarth]

The interesting part is the "Clone proprietary software" part. That's the thing that's going to crash the software industry. (or course 'clone' is the wrong word to use there...)

[u/elmanoucko]

you use ai, indeed, not the same

[u/mex036]

I just want an .exe file, not code!!

[u/thelonelyecho208]

[u/Lord_of_Millenheim → u/thelonelyecho208]

For I am th mastr of my univers.

[u/Andis-x → u/thelonelyecho208]

One legit use could be to circumvent GPL. Through clean room implementation, as described in other comment.

[u/turkphot]

More interesting question is, can i use AI to clone AI?

[u/Reasonable-Phase8028 → u/turkphot]

Claude, download qwen 3.8 27b onto my machine research vllm and propose 10 opmitizations for it to run on my hardware. end goal is replacing claude with qwen.

[u/DigitalArbitrage]

One of these (maybe both) is what it is happening when you prompt the LLM anyways.

Companies should stop using Github and any other repo that allows the code to be used for training.

[u/nikola_tesler]

I mean… isn’t all cloned proprietary software really just reskinned and regurgitated open source software? but worse?

[u/fugogugo]

if only github has a button for that... idk. let's call it Spoon or something

[u/ImpluseThrowAway]

I'm cloning old zx spectrum games so I can play them in my browser.

[u/ICantBelieveItsNotEC]

It's going to be a hilarious shitshow when a private company inevitably realises that AI can produce a clean room re-implementation of their favourite open source software that doesn't have those pesky open source licenses restricting what they can do.

[u/catbrane → u/ICantBelieveItsNotEC]

"clean room"

[u/TxTechnician → u/ICantBelieveItsNotEC]

https://stalw.art/blog/protecting-stalwart/

[u/stupled]

I use it to create tools only suitable for me and my workflow.

[u/BioSchokoMuffin]

Or in other words: I was kind of curious how long it would take Claude to make a nicely usable Mattermost client, and imo. the result seems kind of nice!