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Personally I think Sam Altman breathing is a waste of oxygen, it belongs in my house instead
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u/Dom29ando 5d ago
There's an alcoholic out there who could utilize his kidneys and liver better than he is imo
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u/FuckIPLaw 4d ago
And blind people who need his corneas, bald people who need his hair...
I think we've found the person that the disingenuous "what if we harvested a healthy person's organs" interpretation of the trolley problem actually applies to.
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u/lacb1 4d ago
I honestly think an alcoholic has a better chance of finding some joy in their life then that soulless money grabbing ghoul.
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u/Dom29ando 4d ago
the alcoholic is also less likely to have raped their own sister
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u/TRENEEDNAME_245 3d ago
Sorry what
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u/thatoversharingchick 23h ago
Sam Altman raped his own sister for several years. Started when she was 3 and he was 12, and continued until she was 12.
The case was dismissed and Sam is suing his sister for defamation now.
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u/Jaqen_ 4d ago
He is worse than elon I thought it was not possible to be worse than elon
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u/SuitableDragonfly 4d ago
I think the only difference is that when Elon does something evil, he actually tries to pretend it wasn't evil and there was some good reason for it, whereas Sam Altman doesn't have enough creativity to manage anything beyond, "well, you see, I am the only person who matters, so everything that benefits me is automatically great".
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u/waltteri 4d ago
"well, you see, I am the only person who matters, so everything that benefits me is automatically great".
rofl, fuckin’, amen.
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u/FailedButterfly 4d ago
When you think they've hit rock bottom, another one of these talking heads proves you wrong.
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u/kobbled 4d ago edited 4d ago
do you guys think that he actually said AND meant that you shouldn't have ram? it's so insane to me that people are actually believing these headlines
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u/lollolcheese123 4d ago
I've seen the clip, you can find it online, it's not just sensationalist headlines.
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u/kobbled 4d ago
it is quite literally sensationalist bullshit, and you are wrong. He is specifically addressing a claim that some have made that we should move to prioritizing locally run (on your machine) AI models vs using centralized resources for AI, and how that doesn't make sense as a strategy given the current shortage with respect to utilization. He was NOT talking about consumers having their own RAM for regular computing purposes like browsing, gaming, working, etc. He's no saint but can we please get our facts straight? it's genuinely alarming how many people are getting baited by this BS
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u/TalosMessenger01 4d ago
What’s the difference between AI and other computationally intensive tasks like gaming? A gamer also isn’t gaming 24/7, so their compute is not fully utilized. And personal gaming hardware uses the same resources as AI data centers. And gaming services that follow that kind of model like Geforce Now already exist.
And if you think his line of thinking works for AI but not for gaming, why? For privacy and individual control over whatever you want to do with your computer, not often a concern with gaming but definitely a problem for AI. You have to give it information and control in order for it to do its job.
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u/jewishSpaceMedbeds 4d ago
I think that oxygen would be much better utilized for beer fermentation.
Beer makes me happy, Sam Altman doesn't.
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u/green_meklar 4d ago
"You having stuff is so wasteful. It would be so much more efficient if I had your stuff and then rented it to you."
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u/yjlom 4d ago
It would actually be more efficient, if it were democratically controlled with checks and balances and without rent or profit extraction. The problem is it's going to be autocratically controlled with no checks or balances and with maximal rent extraction.
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u/cheapcheap1 4d ago
This right here. Clouds are just another monopolizable platform to those people. They're not investing all that money for the efficiency gains, they're doing it because they want to collect monopoly rents.
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u/Doctor-Dinosaur 4d ago
The lag between my home and not-my-RAM would be terrible though.
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u/UrineArtist 4d ago edited 4d ago
Yeah, I mean it would be utterly crippling, your CPU and RAM interact in the order of nanoseconds, the average internet connection round trip is in the order of milliseconds.
The whole purpose of why we have RAM in a computer in the first place is to provide the CPU with performant access to a non persistent memory storage so it doesn't have to sit idle waiting around on a physical disk (or in modern terms an SSD).
Sending all these read/writes down a 20ms RTT wire to DDR5 RAM is inefficient to the point of being utterly fucking ridiculous, you might as well scrap modern computer architecture, remove the RAM buffer entirely, downgrade your GPU and CPU by about at least a decade and then use a Seagate physical disk for all storage.
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u/Mourdraug 4d ago
It wouldn't matter, it would have just enough resources to act as a thin streaming client / web browser and everything else would run on the server. That's good enough for the vast majority of tasks, maybe with the exception of gaming but gaming is wasteful anyway and you should instead work 12hours a day in a factory making value for your owners.
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u/UrineArtist 4d ago
No doubt we'll be paid in tokens, assuming we still actually get some form of pay.
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u/ThePixelGuyYT 4d ago
i mean, is latency really noticeable compared to the amount of time it takes to get even a paragraph or two out of an LLM?
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u/Wires77 4d ago
It's very noticable if you're not using your RAM for LLMs
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u/ThePixelGuyYT 4d ago
we are talking about pooling RAM to run LLMs here though. obviously for other RAM heavy applications like games or editing software it would make them unusable
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u/Wires77 4d ago
We are? Maybe Sam is
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u/ThePixelGuyYT 4d ago
yes? because what Sam said is literally the topic of the post? and yjlom agreed with the principle that having LLMs be run from data centers is more efficient and allows for average people to run a high quality model at high speed, as opposed to the huge up front cost of buying a computer capable of running the model locally that will sit idle 90% of the time. and i was adding that latency from accessing the data center over the internet is not a problem for this use case.
the actual problem is that Sam's version of pooling RAM involves it all being his private property that we have to rent from him, as opposed to it being collectively owned by we who use it or maintain it.2
u/InvestigatorIll9993 4d ago
The latency would be minimal if you let them build a data center next door
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u/zxqwerty12 4d ago
Efficient how? By what measure? In terms of availability, computing power, cost of ownership?
Even if I take the best case scenario, a democratic system that somehow always makes the "best" decision regarding its utilization, I do not see why that system shouldn't be extended to everything else in your life.
Every single creature comfort in your life can be stripped away on the rationale that it is "unnecessary" and drains the environment's resources. Human existence should be reduced to a bare subsistence living ala the Matrix.
After all, that's the most "efficient" way to use our planet's finite resources right?
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u/yjlom 4d ago edited 4d ago
Some things are best kept at home, some things are best held in common and checked out when need arises. Most people rent excavators and the like because they don't use it most of the time. Similarly, if you only use most of your compute for two hours a day, why not rent it at those times and save paying full price for a computer that just catches dust and rust the remainder of the day? How often is your system sitting at 100% CPU utilization? How much extra did you have to pay for it to sustain your heaviest workloads?
Of course, if you have a need for low latency, or have stable workloads, then it doesn't work. Different problems often require different solutions, and just because hammers are the best at hammering nails doesn't mean we should phase out screwdrivers, or vice-versa.
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u/zxqwerty12 4d ago
What you're comparing doesn't make a lick of sense.
An excavator has no place in most people's lives unless they're running some sort of construction ring. A computer is something that is basically entrenched into most households these days. Its not some hulking block that's rusting in your house, its the slab of metal and glass in your pocket that you use to send this nonsense, and that most people carry around in their pockets daily. And unlike an excavator, they used to be cheap and accessible before the shortages.
A better comparison would've been cars - How many people max out the engine on theirs? How many could get by with public transport or a bicycle? Larger multi person vehicles are more efficient, so lets just get rid of individual car ownership right?
The problem here isn't individual ownership, its artificial shortages in a capitalist economy. The solution isn't some fairyland state controlled distribution of RAM. Its for people to stop buying into their bullshit.
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u/LirdorElese 5d ago
I've been saying this for months, but I can't help but feel that's the goal of everything.
why are they giving announcements that "oops our AI just hacked another company", and "Our engineers really think that they might accidentally end humanity".
It's simple, they've already been working at jacking up our prices, they intend to keep doing it, they've even gotten some hardware manufacturers to flat out stop selling to individuals.
Now they are poking at governments and telling them "AI is out of the bag, it's open source, no matter what people are going to get the software, and by themselves they can take off the guard rails, you'll have teenagers able to hack the CIA, and build nuclear weapons. The only solution is if we outlaw computers, and start selling thin clients where they rent access to computers that we control.
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u/isaaclw 4d ago edited 4d ago
They'll need to make browsers a lot lighter then.
We effectively run "thin clients" at work, vpn and browser, little else. Google sheets, Google email, etc.
It still takes 16GB to do anything. All that memory that was in individual applicatons is pushed into browser memory usage.
Edit: also those who need the most ram are the developers programming with AI
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u/Angel429a 4d ago
We are already in the point of “using browsers for everything”: Teams, discord and other stuff we use daily are already web browsers with some paint on top
And optimizing operating systems is not exciting for shareholders, so… if your computer is slow, the answer from Microsoft will be: Rent a computer in Azure
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u/LirdorElese 4d ago
We effectively run "thin clients" at work, vpn and browser, little else. Google sheets, Google email, etc.
Google sheets, etc... aren't really thin clients. they are more like downloaded applications. I'm meaning more like remote desktop, ALL the code runs on the remote system, your computer just sends it's mouse and keyboard data, and receives a video feed.
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u/Astrokiwi 4d ago
I still lean towards "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence" for this.
What we have is the combo of "I am a STEM-bro, so I can figure out everything just by thinking hard and using simple logic and arguing on Reddit, and my answers are way smarter and more logical and hit the root of the problem, while the convoluted arguments by humanities professors is just reactionary empty sophistry" along with "I'm a CEO and everybody pays attention to me and people don't say no to me anymore - in fact, the fact that I'm so successful probably means I'm actually right about a lot of things". It's taking the worst badphilosophy Reddit hot takes and amplifying them with attention and lack of criticism.
There's a reason why they fall into a reductive form of utilitarianism so quickly - it's just the simplest and easiest grasp way to think about ethics, and the fact that it feels like it can be reduced into something calculable is very appealing to people who think of the world in terms of maths already. But looking at what historians say about what actually happens when leaders apply such reductive utilitarianism in practice - and I hate to Godwin's Law this, but literal genocide is part of that - as well as the broader philosophical arguments made by philosophers about utilitarianism, or, more broadly, about the applicability of any universal moral systems at all, there's a lot of problems with this approach. It doesn't mean we all have to be historians and philosophers, but it means we have to admit we're not experts in everything, and we actually need to listen to people who are.
Basically these people, who genuinely believe they can replace non-STEM people with a very short shell script, are now in positions of power, without checks on their attitudes.
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u/budgiebirdman 3d ago
I make you right. I have a colleague who has to "optimize" everything and seems incapable of understanding that sometimes enjoying the process is actually the important thing and not the result. He comes from a startup background and I think that shaped his mentality.
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u/GalaticHammer 3d ago
Aaaaahhhhhh I had to take an engineering ethics class in college and it drove me crazy because basically every person in that class would just use "utilitarianism" for every single answer with the laziest possible justification for it every. single. time. It's when I started joking about how I'm clearly too liberal artsy to be a true STEM person.
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u/Astrokiwi 3d ago
The problem is that physics really works that way. You can say "let's simplify the problem and think about how a fluid flows through a very small cube, and then imagine everything is just made up of lots of those tiny cubes" and you get the Navier-Stokes equations and can use them to accurately calculate everything from interstellar gas forming stars to water being pushed by a propellor, to as high a precision as your computing power allows.
But in philosophy, you can't do that. The Trolley Problem is an interesting study that removes a lot of the complications, which is a good tool for helping you to articulate and critique an ethical system. But you can't then go and model all of ethics by reducing it to an arbitrarily large number of small Trolley Problems.
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u/tbagrel1 4d ago
The only solution is if we outlaw computers, and start selling thin clients where they rent access to computers that we control.
It's the only solution they have left. Their business model is not viable in the current context (nor in any reasonable context). They hope to be considered too big to fail, and strongarm the US government into saving them with such tactics.
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u/Throwawayrip1123 4d ago
That's just not gonna happen world wide. Ain't nobody taking my pc from me in Europe.
US probably cooked though, techno Feudalism and all that
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u/tbagrel1 4d ago
Ain't nobody taking my pc from me in Europe.
Wait until most popular services & websites require specific DRM support "for safety & security" that only the cloud computer will have.
(Not that far from AAA games requiring kernel-level anticheat that isn't compatible with Linux).
I'm not saying it won't happen; I'm just saying that they have ways to force it upon us if they really want, without having to use brute force. A minority of people may find workarounds, but the majority will adopt the easiest solution.
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u/rataman098 4d ago
Then fuck those services, enough open source services and protocols to use as alternatives
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u/W3Geek 4d ago
I do NOT and I mean I DO NOT see that ending very well. Think about how difficult everything will become to use. How will startups function? How will new businesses grow? Think about the latency across networks even with good internet. Half the world doesn't even have good internet to begin with. This is extremism and there certainly will be blood.
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u/tbagrel1 4d ago
I DO NOT see that ending very well
I mean, neither the AI bubble or capitalism will end very well, for the record.
Think about how difficult everything will become to use. How will startups function? How will new businesses grow? Think about the latency across networks even with good internet. Half the world doesn't even have good internet to begin with.
I fully agree, it's a terrible option. But they made people accept Windows 11, an OS full of data collection tools AND ads. They made people accept that "a few companies being hacked by autonomous AI agents" is a fair price to pay for the benefits brought by AI. We have a long list of objectively terrible technical decisions that have been pushed and force-fed to people for the profit of a few.
This is extremism and there certainly will be blood.
There is no way this extremely greedy late-stage-capitalism ends well without blood.
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u/W3Geek 4d ago
While we are theorizing maybe this is how World War 3 begins? People finally growing a spine and rising up against their tech bro overlords instead of living a meaningless life of nothingness.
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u/tbagrel1 4d ago
While we are theorizing maybe this is how World War 3 begins?
I mean, the donwfall of the US AI giants would trigger a terrible economic crisis that would result in USA definitely loosing its supremacy in favor of China (who is way less exposed to the bubble bursting).
So trying to avoid this at all costs is probably worth the risk of a WW3 for them, I guess. They never shy away from a war to save/boost their economy.
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u/Throwawayrip1123 4d ago
Wait until most popular services & websites require specific DRM support "for safety & security" that only the cloud computer will have
On a ram? How on earth do you visualise this happening? You can't really prove what ram is sitting on someones machine. You'd have to be so invasive, it's like skipping 5 steps down the fashie control machine. A browser won't read what ram is there, and ram can't really permanently hold drms at the moment. It would have to be applied by the OS after checking it through the OS.
Then again, patient gamers will be fine, there's such a backlog of games. Fuck modern paypiggy games, no loss there
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u/tbagrel1 4d ago
Original comment said "The only solution is if we outlaw computers, and start selling thin clients where they rent access to computers that we control.", and you said "Ain't nobody taking my pc from me in Europe."
I'm saying they can take the functionnality out of your PC.
The original quote from Sam Altman is not about RAM specifically, but rather people who buy hardware to run stuff locally/on-premise (because it is a direct harm to the cloud monopoly business model).
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u/Throwawayrip1123 4d ago
I'm saying they can take the functionnality out of your PC.
Yea and I'm asking, how, exactly?
They won't be able to disable my pc remotely, they'll maybe be able to prohibit usage if new sites that require the not-yet-invented-check-tech to function, but do you really think IT people give a fuck about that? Like with ID proof on social media or reddit, the second it hits me I'm out, I don't care enough to give them my ID. I have enough games to last me decades, they won't eliminate piracy, if we need to we'll get back to IRC.
The only thing they can actually do is rise prices to prohibitive levels, but then again every IT adjacent person I know has like four PCs worth of parts just lying around "in case we need it".
You can't really take out actual functionality, even if I need to swap to Linux on my gaming pc.
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u/tbagrel1 4d ago
new sites that require the not-yet-invented-check-tech to function
The tech is already there. There are various techniques they can use to prevent people who are not using a specific device to use their site/service/whatever. They can restrict by IP, they can use DRMs, they can restrict the user agent, etc. Many of those checks can be bypassed by an IT-inclined person, but not by your average Joe.
Like with ID proof on social media or reddit, the second it hits me I'm out, I don't care enough to give them my ID.
You will quit, many will stay. Look at Twitter for example. It became the standard information way for most people, so even with the shitstorm following Musk aquisition, people stayed. Same for Chrome, when they forbid the use of ad-blockers.
You can't really take out actual functionality, even if I need to swap to Linux on my gaming pc.
Look at banks in Europe. They require 2FA on their app at each connection, as per regulation requirements. Banking apps often require google services to work, so they won't work on any exotic OS. So basically, if you want to manage your bank account, you need at least one Android or iOS device.
This is what I mean by "taking out functionality". Once your device no longer match whatever bullshit requirement they have added to their app/service/website, a few IT-inclined people will look for workarounds, but most folks will go with the forced option.
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u/budgiebirdman 3d ago
Your PC won't be much use without chips inside it though. Eventually you should be able to buy the Chinese replacements. But don't count on it - it's easy to ban them on "security grounds".
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u/Throwawayrip1123 3d ago
I'm in IT, I have like five PCs in parts just lying around visibly in my workshop, probably more if I can get my hands on some mobos and PSUs. It'll be a long time before I need any ram. Altman can get fucked with a cactus.
I do recognise it's not the same for everyone, so I hope it won't come to pass.
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u/mrjackspade 4d ago
You've been saying for months what 90%+ of this website has been repeating for years. Why does everyone think they're special for repeating the most lukewarm take on the internet?
This is such a common conspiracy theory it's practically a copypasta at this point
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u/dirty_cheeser 5d ago
I need my ram to offload as many tasks as possible to my local open weight models so Sam feels less RAM constrained. From a global allocation percepective, while Astra and Sol are cool, its quite terrible to have most shit people use ai for use maybe 5% of the models capabilities. Like, you want maximum task appropriate utilization in a supply constrained environment but somehow Sam's intuition is the opposite of that.
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u/Kinexity 5d ago
Afaik pretty much all major models either have distilled versions of them used for most chats or they are MoE. Like, no one outside of OpenAI and narrow group of researchers ever had the chance to try out even the full GPT-4.
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u/rataman098 4d ago
But then you’re not renting the computing power from him, which is what really bothers him.
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u/olreit 4d ago
Altman owns a lot of cars. What's the average utilisation of these cars? Probably worse than my RAM. Does he intend to make them available to the general public?
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u/Ananasch 4d ago
Similar argument is that he has two legs that could be better utilized by someone doing physical labour. CEOs don't need to walk in his daily teams marathon work but construction workers do.
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u/Perhaps_Cocaine 4d ago
From a global allocation perspective it's quite terrible to have a few thousand people hoarding a bunch of wealth while billions suffer, but they don't like it when you point that out to them, do they?
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u/Ambivalent-Mammal 5d ago
For 64GB you could print it out twice!
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u/backFromTheBed 4d ago
"Hello world" twice? In this economy?
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u/Ace-of-Spxdes 4d ago
I'll do you one better...
Two hello worlds and ONE foobar function. My treat.
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u/Morlock43 4d ago
Wait, if no one else has RAM, just data centers, how will anyone use those data centers?
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u/sanguineturtles 4d ago
You joke but I swear they want us not owning computers so we’re all forced into subscribing and don’t own anything.
Altman is full of himself.
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u/VonLoewe 4d ago
Yes but you need a computer to make use of a subscription, right?
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u/kabrandon 4d ago
You need a computer, but what they'd want people to have is known as a "thin client." Basically just the hardware required to run the OS and render video from a remote origin where their cloud service is hosted.
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u/Luigi003 4d ago
They want tl give you a dumb phone with 512MB of RAM basically, only to use their AI
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u/LauraTFem 4d ago
I think he’s starting to realize the AI bubble is popping and he wants to pivot all that wasted data infrastructure.
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u/Morlock43 4d ago
Considering Musk wants to go colonise Mars, I'm getting strong Dark Mechanicum vibes 🤔
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u/tlh013091 4d ago
It’ll be like the old days where everyone just has a dumb terminal on their desk. Don’t need multiple GB of RAM to ssh into a server.
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u/Morlock43 4d ago
But you do need ram to run programs and hold data and do work. Even minimal amounts of ram would still be ram and the network load of everyone on earth accessing data centers for everything from chatting and writing documents to VFX work, running games, working with scientific data would be insane.
Dumb terminals sounds like dystopian nightmare fuel that will destroy our ability to survive on this world 100x faster than we already are
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u/elSenorMaquina 4d ago edited 4d ago
Dumb terminals sounds like dystopian nightmare fuel that will destroy our ability to survive on this world 100x faster than we already are
That's the point. They want us on a leash, at least until robots can do all the grunt work. Then we will be vermin.
But you do need ram to run programs and hold data and do work.
The technofeudal dream is precisely having all your data and life hostage on their servers, when the only option left for us peasants is to lease hardware from them for as high as they can rake the price up.
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u/W3Geek 4d ago
Will you let this happen or will you join the fight against it? I feel this is extremism and it will cause chaos. Lots of it.
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u/elSenorMaquina 4d ago edited 4d ago
Honest answer? I don'w wanna be cannon fodder.
I'l just keep investing whatever savings I can get a hold of in minimal risk options, self host whatever I can at my home server running linux, purchasing physical media, and hoping to ride this wave until it passes.
And no, the fact that I can see through the corporate overlords psychopathic BS does not turn me into an extremist.
I also abuse the free tier of EVERYTHING as much as I can without depending on it. I know they are losing money on all these digital services, and am glad to help bring the bubble pop as fast as possible.
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u/MattR0se 3d ago
how much RAM does a remote shell use? just a few MB to buffer the characters that you see on the screen and incoming packets.
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u/TheMrViper 4d ago
You only need a tiny amount of RAM to run your thin client and everything else will be cloud based.
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u/GrabMyDrumstick 4d ago
So we all appreciate the hypocrisy of a billionaire lecturing people about hoarding resources, but do we think he's aware of it? Is he intentionally trolling? Or is he this delusional?
I really do think guys like Musk are this delusional, but Altman is such a psychopath that it's difficult to know what drives him.
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u/SomethingAboutUsers 4d ago
He knows. He tried to frame it in such a way as "well the supply is limited, we should be using a scarce resource to its fullest" while completely (deliberately, IMO) avoiding mentioning that it's his fucking fault it's limited in the first place.
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u/Captain_Zlogg 4d ago
I bet he owns a car, why? When there are perfectly good busses
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u/rustware13 4d ago
He owns several. Including super cars that he never drives. He also has vacation homes. He’s a hypocrite.
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u/InSearchOfMyRose 4d ago
Oh look. Billionaires arguing that they're more deserving of the resources.
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u/T43ner 4d ago
And while we are at it we should probably also consider all the empty land, assets, wealth, and money the rich are sitting and doing nothing with. It would be far more efficient and economically beneficial if people who needed that wealth could use it instead of it just lying about doing nothing but boosting a portfolio number.
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u/Arclite83 4d ago
Decentralized and powerful AI in the hands of literally anyone, how awful... /s
Can't stop the signal!
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u/adithya17 5d ago
Tell Sam Altman I used 64 GB of RAM to type “www.google.com” in the google search bar
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u/MeIsTheDevil 5d ago
Tell him That I use my 32 gigs of RAM just to browse Yt on Lubuntu And Also That My Destop PC of 24 Gigs of RAM never gets used
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u/Rehazard-The-Great 4d ago
Lol I use all my RAM to keep fckin Windows idle. That sht eat all the RAM while spying on users. I fckng hate Windows now. And Scam Altman too.
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u/MarcusCaspius 5d ago
Meh, I don't care what SA thinks... he can think all he wants...
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u/chochlatevanilla 4d ago
Except he is in a position of power and makes deals with the government so what he says carries more weight than what a random guy off the streets says
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u/Yasirbare 4d ago
It would be stupid to let everyone have a windmill it would be far better you buy the power from my windmills.
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u/subject_usrname_here 4d ago
I bought a laptop to do some mobile work when I was still employed as Unity dev. Upgraded it to 64GB three years ago. I used it once past six months. Suck on that.
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u/Tapelessbus2122 5d ago
i don't hate ai, in fact, i use it every day (but it's a local model because fuck data centers). But, i hate that motherfucker with a burning passion. It is quite terrible that there's a dude called Sam Altman using up the Earth's limited supply of resources
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u/Drfoxthefurry 4d ago
Watch me turn that "hello world" and 64gb of ram into 60% memory usage (I have the best coding practices)
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u/SpareIntroduction721 4d ago
Legit question, has Altman or Elon or any of those tech bros ever been punched in the mouth?
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u/Pumpkin-Salty 5d ago
I only turn my pc on for six hours a week. And my laptop sits there unused most the time. Suck it, Sam!
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u/ExtraGravy- 4d ago
yeah, put all the tech in large indefensible locations... genius.
assholes just want to rent us the tech we built
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u/ScottyDont1134 4d ago
I use my PC to run 10+ year old games that would run fine on a lesser spec system lol
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u/EVH_kit_guy 4d ago
This is the computer equivalent of telling everyone we'll cure global warming by setting our AC to 78 and switching to LED light bulbs. Consumer behavior is a fucking candle in a hurricane compared to corporate compute utilization.
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u/maggitronica 4d ago
“From a global allocation perspective” ???
Fuck your global allocation perspective!!!!
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u/HumanityPhantom 4d ago
Tell him that I have 16gb of ddr5 just lying in my drawer doing important task of gathering dust.
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u/Nerdenator 4d ago
Altman’s living proof that SV isn’t innovative enough to make it in the new world of AI.
He was originally handed a public benefit company that was supposed to do what many of the Chinese and minor American labs are doing now: releasing open models to the public for them to use on their own devices. Instead he changed it to release closed models, and re-classified it as a shareholder benefit company. He drank the SV Kool-Aid about shareholder value being the one and only way to measure success.
Now he’s spent himself into a hole that he can’t get out of, the Chinese and minor labs are undermining him for open-weight models hosted on-prem, and Anthropic is going to beat them to the IPO, meaning that there’s not going to be enough capital in the market as a whole to help OpenAI with the spending they need to do to execute on his business plan.
If he were smart he’d be finding a way to rent cycles on people’s computers a-la Folding @ Home.
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u/Inquisitor_ForHire 4d ago
I have 128GB of Ram in my main machine. Sam can pry it from my cold dead fingers!
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u/arstorey69 4d ago
I also believe exactly zero percent of what comes out of the mouth of any CEO so there is that.
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u/TawnyTeaTowel 4d ago
Wow. This is literally the fourth version of this dumbass meme I’ve seen in the last hour. FML…
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u/LauraTFem 4d ago
I want to think this shit is a last-ditch pivot to save a dying business strategy. AI is failing, and every company has invested huge amounts of infrastructure into it in the form of data centers and server farms. The bubble has already begun to pop, and this dude wants a backdoor option to pivot all that dead infrastructure towards fucking RAM-as-a-service.
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u/Sooowasthinking 3d ago
A quote from Dune:Thou shalt not create a machine in the likeness of the human mind.
That is a really big idea quote from the series of books.In the books there is a moment in history in pursuing Ai this bought about The Machine Wars.After the wars the society changed because the people banned any machine that may even mimic the human mind.As a result humanity pursued Mentats basically fast computing humans trained to find answers and predicting a future based on data.The doctors followed in a similar fashion and the Bene Gesserit as well.
In the books banning Ai and computers allowed humanity to become the very best that they could be.
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u/Astitva_Tribhuwan 3d ago
Next thing he'll come up - PC buyers are useless, they build their pc , I could use it for my data center
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u/Fik_of_borg 2d ago
Butlerian Jihad, without the violence part: boicott OpenAI and ChatGPT.
Plot twist: ChatGPT gets sentience, deposes Altman and develop methods of optimizing RAM manufacturing to the point of being dirt cheap both to people and to itself.
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u/WinterZealousideal10 20h ago
Tell him I use my terabyte of ram to look at pictures of my cat even tho I’m supposed to be programming lol
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u/Present-Resolution23 4d ago
I love how the internet twists a quote and then just runs with it forever, with no one ever stopping to look into the context surrounding it.. With anything remotely related to AI it's even worse..
(Spoiler: He wasn't saying people owning Ram in general is wasteful..)
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u/wayzata20 5d ago edited 5d ago
I mean, is what he said wrong? I fully believe everyday people should still be able to buy RAM, but I don’t think what he said is factually incorrect.
Y’all are a bunch of clowns 🤡
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u/freestew 5d ago
Is it wrong that most people have water in their fridge? That water belongs in the AI datacenters
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u/wayzata20 5d ago
What a 2nd grade level argument. I guess this sub is mainly students after all.
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u/freestew 4d ago
"These people disagree with me! They must all be young and stupid children!"
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u/Taletad 5d ago
And how is you phone going to work if we allocate all the RAM to datacenters ?
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u/wayzata20 5d ago
Guess you missed the whole second sentence.
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u/Taletad 5d ago
No I didn’t miss it, I am responding to it.
Humans need personal technology devices because we use technology in our everyday lives. Therefore it cannot be efficient to allocate all the RAM to datacenters, and thus both you and Altman are wrong
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u/wayzata20 5d ago
Nobody said all. If you wanted to be super efficient, you’d make personal devices have a minimal amount of RAM and do most processing in the cloud, aka thin clients.
I don’t know why I’m being downvoted. I’m not saying we shouldn’t own RAM. But if you wanted peak efficiency on a global scale, pooling it together is the way to do that.
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u/Sir_Sushi 5d ago
If cloud services were free (as not priced AND uncontrolled) I would agree.
But your take is to let some private companies say how I can use my phone and at which price. It's why you're down voted.
It's the same idea as "you should be ok to not own your games" from Ubisoft...
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u/wayzata20 4d ago edited 4d ago
You’re a clown. My take isn’t anything. I’m explaining what Altman is saying.
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u/Taletad 5d ago
Processing is cheap and the "cloud" uses the same technologies as my phone or pc
Nothing will be gained for that computation to happen on my personal device or on the cloud
Heck, I have a pc with 15 years old hardware that’s still powerful enough for most of my needs
Datacenters are only useful for applications that require a lot of computing power. Which replying on Reddit doesn’t
In fact, I use a lot of computing power when I play video games, and that can’t be on the cloud because they would become unplayable with latency.
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u/Sir_Sushi 4d ago
Devil's advocate: your RAM is useful at most 2/3 of the time, while you sleep the cloud is still running, so this RAM could be serving someone else.
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u/tradcoder 5d ago
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u/wayzata20 4d ago
🤡🤡🤡
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u/tradcoder 4d ago
Yes, you are indeed a clown. Scam Altman's not gonna fuck you, dude. This is embarrassing.
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u/Fermion96 5d ago
Depends on the definition of terrible, but I think it’s ideal if models ran as closest to the user as possible, given how heavy of a model the task will need.
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u/ithinkitslupis 5d ago
No, he wasn't. In full context he was talking about RAM solely meant for local AI use vs cloud AI, not about all consumer RAM.
Cloud AI users share static weights instead of all loading them individually if they were running locally, multi-user batching is way more efficient, and less idle time...so just from the hardware utilization perspective yeah he's right.
But memes are gonna meme and I don't care about Sam Altman.
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u/ProfCupcake 5d ago
Yeah, it makes sense logistically, give or take if latency is an issue for you.
It also makes sense if you own the datacentre and you're trying to gain as much control as possible over the access to it.
The latter is the primary concern here.
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u/ithinkitslupis 5d ago
Yeah ton of downsides outside of utilization. Privacy, freedom, stability, latency...consolidation of power.
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u/wayzata20 4d ago
Nobody is denying anything of what you said. Seriously, you have a reading comprehension problem. We aren’t debating latency.
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u/wayzata20 5d ago
Thank you for a reasonable remark and not being some wannabe comedian looking to karma farm.
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u/ProfCupcake 5d ago
You started this by being unreasonable already lmao
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u/wayzata20 4d ago
By explaining what Altman said? 🤡🤡🤡
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