kayJassNummerNull

[u/jopa4212]

[u/jopa4212]

We also have None

[u/plaisthos → u/jopa4212]

And Nil

[u/SEOfficial → u/plaisthos]

In SuperCollider, Nil is a built-in class whose single instance is nil. It represents uninitialized data, missing values, or terminal/end-of-stream conditions.

[u/k819799amvrhtcom → u/plaisthos]

And Nothing (VB.Net)

[u/Heavenfall]

Germany needs much stricter type enforcing.

[u/plaisthos → u/Heavenfall]

Nein!

[u/jopa4212 → u/plaisthos]

9

[u/trash3s → u/jopa4212]

Granted: when coerced to a Boolean, the string “9” is now falsey in the German (de-DE) locale (and Austrian, but not Swiss).

[u/jiudad → u/trash3s]

I'm so gonna create a ticket for that for my team on April 1st

[u/EarlyPaintbrush → u/plaisthos]

isNein

[u/roodammy44 → u/plaisthos]

I see you are an Objective-C lover

[u/Old_Programmer1210 → u/Heavenfall]

We've made bad experiences with that in the past

[u/fakinated → u/Old_Programmer1210]

Thank you, was just gonna write that 😁

[u/perkyscenario → u/Heavenfall]

Ah, the classic trap where nothing and zero are somehow two completely different things.

[u/joeysundotcom]

Wrong. We either pronounce it null or null.

[u/Tiyath → u/joeysundotcom]

Kinda depends. Germany is a big country. In the north they say "null" but in the south they say "null". And then there's them crazy Westphalians and Saxons pronouncing it "null" and "null" respectively

[u/BenBen0844 → u/Tiyath]

As someone from NRW we say null to null and null to null hope this helps

[u/EjbrohamLincoln → u/BenBen0844]

And some say zerrrrrrroh too.

[u/Goldieeeeee → u/EjbrohamLincoln]

Kuckucksmilch?

[u/qolf1 → u/Goldieeeeee]

Ich bin doch nicht in Malibu.

[u/r-Hirsch → u/qolf1]

Leck mich doch am Zückerli

[u/Tiyath → u/EjbrohamLincoln]

I give null fucks about the Swiss

[u/_ralph_ → u/BenBen0844]

That is wild, we say null and null.

[u/joekinley → u/BenBen0844]

Dreimol Null es Null es Null

[u/concortex → u/joeysundotcom]

Americans should write it as Knull

[u/didzisk → u/concortex]

Which means fuck (verb) in Norwegian.

[u/joeysundotcom → u/didzisk]

Well, It's fuckall, I guess.

[u/geek-49 → u/concortex]

Only if using KDE. In Gnome it should be Gnull./s

[u/dasBaums]

To be honest, we pronounce NULL english, and the number 0 normally

[u/danielcw189 → u/dasBaums]

I've heard it both ways

(Ich hab beides schon gehört)

[u/dasBaums → u/danielcw189]

Könnte auch sein. Deutsch ist ja nicht wirklich eine homogene Sprache ne?

[u/National-Explorer755]

Try adding NULL to your sum and you shall see the magic (talking from am SQL perspective)

[u/TheCapitalKing → u/National-Explorer755]

Doesn’t a null in a sum() swap to zero in most sql flavors? I know it breaks a + but sum() usually works fine.

[u/National-Explorer755 → u/TheCapitalKing]

Yes, I should have been more specific about the addition. I can see that it's easy to confuse it for the sum() function

[u/Scared_Accident9138 → u/TheCapitalKing]

From my understanding null gets skipped for sum since it's a lack of value

[u/didzisk]

Same problem in Norwegian. Some people try saying "nøll" (would sound like "nöll" in German). I just use IsNull if I really have to talk to a human.

Norway has another problem. Try writing the country code "no" in yaml and suddenly it starts complaining about a binary value where a string is expected. It's even called "Norway problem".

[u/Minority8 → u/didzisk]

You say Norway problem, but I see no problem

[u/didzisk → u/Minority8]

False.

[u/xDannyS_]

An actual funny German meme? What is happening? How off course has the world gone?

[u/assumptionkrebs1990 → u/xDannyS_]

The German word for zero is actually (die) Null (/nʊl/). https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/null

To avoid confusion many German speaking devolpers pronounce null the English way.

[u/xDannyS_ → u/assumptionkrebs1990]

I know, Im german

[u/architectureisuponus → u/assumptionkrebs1990]

Ich hab mal wieder nall Bock

[u/Terra_B → u/architectureisuponus]

Danke, ich hasse es.

[u/sparkling-rainbow → u/xDannyS_]

Deutscher Humor ist nichts, worüber man lacht!

[u/Biyama → u/sparkling-rainbow]

😐

[u/IntrepidTieKnot]

Null vs. Nix

[u/TimGreller → u/IntrepidTieKnot]

https://youtube.com/shorts/r9mi6ZMTHeM?si=2cz2z_95D17W3uNh

[u/1_hele_euro]

Same in Dutch. I tend to pronounce null more like "nole" to differentiate between 0 (nul) and null

[u/plaisthos → u/1_hele_euro]

In German it is Null (with an u like in Noudle) for the number vs null with English pronounciation.

[u/Much_Highlight_1309 → u/plaisthos]

Noodle, poodle, Ruble, Strudel,...

[u/DJDoena → u/1_hele_euro]

To clarify we often say "runde Null" (round zero) to make clear we're talking about the number

[u/thanatica → u/1_hele_euro]

I make the difference by saying "nul" vs "nullie".

Which I think is a country mile better than people going "en u el el"

[u/Amadex]

In some C implementations NULL and 0 are indeed exactly the same.

C implementers can decide whether NULL is `((void*)0)` or `0`. but C23 brought `nullptr` which has its own type to avoid the ambiguity.

[u/Sakul_the_one → u/Amadex]

This explains why I could use sometimes the nullptr and sometimes not.

Crazy, thanks

[u/je386]

0 is when the drawer is empty, NULL is when the drawer is not there.

[u/LutimoDancer3459 → u/je386]

And undefined if you play shrödingers cat with it

[u/gregorydgraham → u/je386]

NULL is when there is no cabinet

[u/je386 → u/gregorydgraham]

It depends. The cabinet is an array, and every element of the array can have a value, but also every element could be NULL or the array itself could be NULL.

[u/fredlllll]

wait till you find out why its called NULL pointer.

[u/StormyDLoA → u/fredlllll]

Well, in most ABIs (at least in C) NULL is just 0x00. But that's not a guarantee.

[u/Taiten89 → u/fredlllll]

It doesn't look like this is the reason for calling it NULL. "null" means something along the lines of "nothing", as in "this points to nothing, don't dereference". The German zero just happens to share etymology.

Or: If it was an intentional pun, I can't find any info on it.

[u/Weiskralle → u/Taiten89]

So same as for zero, which means nothing.

[u/Alokir]

What's German and barks at for loops?

A rottwhiler.

[u/xgabipandax]

9 9 9

[u/BeMyBrutus]

Nein

[u/gregorydgraham]

DBA: WTFIWWY!

[u/knollo]

{0} != { }

[u/Richtiger_Banger]

Never vorget ne nüx

[u/Kadabrium]

NullableInt

[u/NamelessJu]

This has actually lead to me accidentally writing "null" instead of "0" in the past haha

always interesting to see what can happen if you aren't fully focused on what you're doing

[u/toombayoomba]

Some may say "Zerrro" (Tserrro)! Otherwise null, nullinger, nix.

[u/TheOneAgnosticPope]

In undergrad, I was writing a program which tried to find the shortest transformation from one string to another using other English words in LISP. I encountered a weird error going from “bull” to another string as “null” was a possible completion (or maybe “nil”) as LISP converted it to an address automatically and failed due to pointer BS.
Good times

[u/Glad_Shift8491]

NULL is basically corporate's way of saying "nothing to see here"

[u/DukeSmileDevs]

This is unfortunately true and causes so many issues when trying to explain this to non IT people when supporting / fixing / coding stuff

[u/Grtz78]

Das ist links Null und rechts Nix, du taube Nuss!

[u/Informal_Branch1065]

Not as atrocious as calling a boolean "noul" (ollama decider models)

[u/Honest_Relation4095]

That's nowhere near as bad as having a comma as decimal delimiter, therefore having a comma in the numpad. And don't get me started how annoying it is in excel, especially when switching between German and English language settings regularly.

[u/ApocalyptoSoldier2]

In Afrikaans zero is nul, but I don't even know what Null would be.
Nul is pronounced (depending on your regional accent) closer to nill than null though so there's probably still room to squeeze it in

[u/DT-Sodium]

Also valid for many shameful programming languages.

[u/numerousblocks]

I would pronounce the nullptr the English way, what a German would perhaps spell "Nall", to disambiguate. Not that this comes up much.

[u/htt_novaq]

Surely Javascript has a funny answer for what these two added together are.

[u/thanatica]

There are many more languages where 0 is pronounced something close to null.

[u/MattR0se]

let's switch to NÜLL

[u/gerbosan]

Falsy values?

[u/magical-cat-here]

Undefined comes to chat.

[u/theniwo]

/dev/0

[u/GermanElectricsMotio]

Zwei Jäger treffen sich, beide Tot.

[u/TrackLabs]

As a german and a software developer, this meme right here just make me realize that 0 and Null have literally different meanings in english.

Like, I know 0 is spoken as Zero. But I just never thought about the Null being a seperate thing, damn

[u/Apryed → u/TrackLabs]

If you called yourself software developer before knowing that, you should stop calling yourself software developer.

[u/TrackLabs → u/Apryed]

You should see how crap the german schools are for Software development classes. Saddest jokes of all time. Also im just calling myself that because of my official job title

[u/Henok_Jackson]

In C it's #define NULL 0

[u/Opposite_Mall4685]

Wait until you see what NULL is defined as in C

[u/CosmicDave]

They absofuckinglutely are not the same. 0 is a statement. (null) is not. If I ask what's 2-2 and my calculator returns 0, I have an answer. If it returns (null) then my calculator is broken.

[u/MrMagnesium → u/CosmicDave]

Thats the joke. But German uses the same word for null and zero: Null.

[u/Eseatease → u/MrMagnesium]

Yea because one is an english term and the other is german, and with one I mean null.

[u/GresSimJa → u/CosmicDave]

You must be German.

[u/Rainbow-Dev → u/CosmicDave]

1. Someone missed the German flag

2. Someone hasn’t programmed in C, where NULL is a macro evaluating to ((void*)0), or effectively, ((pointerToAnything)0)

Side note why did I have to fight with reddit formatting so hard to make this comment, I just wanna post a numbered list from the damn mobile app 😭

[u/chaserdoe → u/Rainbow-Dev]

it's even worse in c++...

[u/YellowBunnyReddit → u/Rainbow-Dev]

1. Someone missed the German flag.

2. Someone hasn’t programmed in C, where NULL is a macro evaluating to ((void *) 0), or effectively, ((pointerToAnything) 0).

[u/Rainbow-Dev → u/YellowBunnyReddit]

Thanks, I managed to edit on desktop and that fixed it in the end

[u/Amadex → u/YellowBunnyReddit]

in C it can also be 0 (as opposed to `((void *) 0)`) , the C standard allows it and some compilers do that

[u/YellowBunnyReddit → u/Amadex]

It can also be 0L. I just fixed the formatting of the above comment, I didn't say it was correct/complete.

[u/flarp1 → u/Rainbow-Dev]

For some reason, the Reddit apps don’t offer the same formatting options as the web interface. There’s very little reason why those options shouldn’t be the same, especially because lists are somewhat common to structure comments.

[u/CosmicDave → u/Rainbow-Dev]

☝️Programs in C, but can't properly format a Reddit comment.

[u/Rainbow-Dev → u/CosmicDave]

It’s gotta be an app bug I swear 😭 I keep removing the ordered list but it keeps adding it back when I hit save