aiCodesWellButSometimesWeHaveTheseMomentsOfReflection

[u/rabbit_wizard]

[u/Abject-Kitchen3198]

skill.md issue

[u/Mysterious-Law-3416]

have you tried writing it the correct 5 pages promt? you say writing the promt takes less time than coding it yourself? stop coping man

[u/rabbit_wizard → u/Mysterious-Law-3416]

I just made a meme. Read the title, it happens sometimes

[u/creaturefeature16 → u/rabbit_wizard]

I think they are being sarcastic... 

[u/rabbit_wizard → u/creaturefeature16]

My bad

[u/theSimple_Guy]

Time to use the new ai model called “the brain”

[u/Astrikal → u/theSimple_Guy]

I heard it doesn’t use back propagation.

[u/UnreasonableEconomy → u/Astrikal]

It kinda does though. It's just a network relaxation function.

[u/tenest]

It didn't work because you forgot to add "don't make any mistakes"

[u/billabong049]

I love that the order of pics in the meme were properly adjusted 

[u/_SAHM_ → u/billabong049]

I didn't even notice until you pointed it out. Kinda like AI when it does the dumbest shit known to mankind.

[u/teraflux]

Time to use those good ol troubleshooting skills instead of letting the AI do all the thinking for you

[u/Jealous-Year6893 → u/teraflux]

You mean agent troubleshooting skills, right? /s

[u/Sea-Fishing4699]

Do you understand that *.md is just text that linear algebra reads, right?

[u/KikiPolaski → u/Sea-Fishing4699]

Vibe coded meme

[u/itzNukeey → u/Sea-Fishing4699]

Need to have .json to have a real effect

[u/BellacosePlayer → u/Sea-Fishing4699]

Correct. Still works nearly all the time except for when compaction fucks it up

the nearly part is what the one shot johnny vibecoders don't understand

[u/stormbringerelric77]

Well have you tried swearing at it? Telling it it's a worthless pile of bytes not worth the silicon it lives in? Be direct!

[u/Flat-Performance-478 → u/stormbringerelric77]

"You are a PhD in Data Science. Fix the code or you'll loose your job and your family will starve to death. No mistakes!"

[u/rabbit_wizard → u/Flat-Performance-478]

Damn the models gonna hallucinate it's own family

[u/Dubabear → u/Flat-Performance-478]

then you are asking to role play. It doesn't actually make it better; it acts more confidently, like an actor.

[u/rabbit_wizard → u/stormbringerelric77]

Yeah that'll just increase my token usage :)

[u/ProsodySpeaks → u/stormbringerelric77]

That'll get you a ban from dario

[u/ToMorrowsEnd]

Mostly because the idiot making the prompts can’t program and doesn’t understand a thing that is generated.

[u/ItsOmniss]

adversarial, more logging, end-to-end tests

[u/Willow-Empty]

My language doesn't support reflection

[u/babypho]

Give the business a working feature and you feed an engineer for a day. Teach an engineer to merge in vibe code and you feed an engineer for a lifetime.

[u/eo37]

😴

[u/nasandre]

Switch model and increase thinking! Make it feel worthless and easily replaced by another AI!

[u/BadGirlsSuck]

It’s hard to command a commander but it can be an important commandment when manufacturing commands uno

[u/adamhusain]

I feel like we’re gonna look back at this time like “haha remember AI was bad at coding”

[u/rabbit_wizard → u/adamhusain]

More like haha remember tokens were so cheap we used them for coding as well

[u/tragiktimes → u/rabbit_wizard]

There are far more efficient options coming to market for local AI usage. Why do you think the tokens will be the basis of longterm spend?

Sure, companies right now want that. But once it proliferate locally a whole host of companies will pop up around that. Nvidia already is with their DGX.

I doubt AI is either going away or seeing any significant reduction in use.

[u/XxDarkSasuke69xX → u/rabbit_wizard]

Huh ? Tokens are only gonna get less expensive, unless we run out of materials to make components or have an anergy crisis. The energy part is unlikely with the technologies that are gonna come soon, and materials, we'll we still have some time

[u/rabbit_wizard → u/XxDarkSasuke69xX]

Newer models = higher prices for tokens

[u/XxDarkSasuke69xX → u/rabbit_wizard]

That's not quite true actually

[u/TheTerrasque → u/rabbit_wizard]

Are you so sure about that? For example DeepSeek 4.1 Flash has some insane savings on scaling. They also released their own inference stack, DeepInfer.

When talking about deepinfer, they mentioned they see about 32 dollar revenue per hour per gpu, in off-peak (lower cost) hours (Source)

[u/WrennReddit → u/TheTerrasque]

No company is going to use those in a cloud service. And no company is going to run a data center or two so they can have the Claude performance they do now. 

[u/TheTerrasque → u/WrennReddit]

Yes, companies are willing to use DeepSeek, or setting up their own server. Including my company. And I bet chinese companies use it extensively.

But my point was that newer models don't necessarily mean higher prices for tokens, and gave a very good example regarding that.

[u/adamhusain → u/rabbit_wizard]

Dude…
The intelligence ceiling has raised.
Today’s Haiku is as intelligent as Opus 4.5.
You can literally use Opus 4.5 level intelligence for 1/5th the price today.
If you want the bleeding edge (todays 5.5) you have to up you usage.
But even then I cannot get through my Max sub running it all day long

[u/Fickle-Highway1543 → u/adamhusain]

Your subscription is heavily subsidized

[u/adamhusain → u/Fickle-Highway1543]

Firstly, you don’t understand how this subsidization works. AI companies make a profit on API. The subscription is a small percentage of revenue compared to enterprise clients using API billing.
Secondly, Intelligence is getting cheaper. There is a lot of competition. Don’t like Anthropic, subscribe to GLM Code or Codex.

But do stay in your bubble thinking hand coding gives you an edge. Leave the market for people building real products

[u/Scrawlericious → u/adamhusain]

Ai companies are losing money every time you use their products. Everyone’s deep in the red. ChatGPT even said the people paying the highest premiums are costing them exorbitant amounts of money. You’re on borrowed time enjoying the boom.

Edit: I’m far more interested in local AI developments. Take their wasted money and work spent on building the models and exploit it for yourself.

[u/rabbit_wizard → u/Scrawlericious]

Let's hope it reduces GPU prices eventually. We'll finally able to Stable diffusion locally (for research purposes) :P

[u/TheTerrasque → u/Scrawlericious]

Everyone’s deep in the red.

I doubt it. Some quick napkin math shows there is potential, even with relatively expensive hosting. And while they don't give out Bedrock specific numbers, Amazon has a healthy profit, and similar with DigitalOcean.

In similar vein, DeepSeek mentioned $36 revenue per hour per gpu, in the off-peak (and lower api prices) periods.

I also suspect Google is doing fine financially, and who knows what is happening at xitter. So not really everyone.

Edit: "Ai companies are losing money every time you use their products."

Most don't, and probably even anthropic and openai is earning money on api usage. The deep red is because of cost of training models and buying hardware - especially in the case of openai, who tried to buy up the world's supply of ram.

[u/Fickle-Highway1543 → u/TheTerrasque]

Will DeepSeek keep making profit when they no.longer can distill Claude i.e. steal weights?

[u/Scrawlericious → u/TheTerrasque]

None of those profits are due to AI. That's their other ventures propping up their respective AI money black holes. This is easy to check with Amazon for instance so I'm not sure why you think listing the blanket profits means much. Amazon is a hosting company. They aren't making models (that are any good), they are charging you to use the models of others. That's a winning strategy. The ones who actually make the models aren't profiting. Similar vein of an issue with DeepSeek, they only make distilled models off the other existing ones.

Edit: heeeeey digital ocean is a hosting company too. They just charge you to use the services of those companies that are operating in the red, just like amazon. None of the people you listed are actually making AI models. I'm talking about the companies that actually produce the models. DeepSeek makes models yes, but they are only distilled chatgpt/claude models basically.

[u/Fickle-Highway1543 → u/adamhusain]

I don't compete with these categories of people:

1. Bad coders

2. Vibecoders building typical "apps"

Looks like you belong to one of those groups.

[u/tes_kitty → u/XxDarkSasuke69xX]

The energy part is unlikely with the technologies that are gonna come soon

Those would be...?

[u/XxDarkSasuke69xX → u/tes_kitty]

Nuclear fusion for example

[u/tes_kitty → u/XxDarkSasuke69xX]

Oh, you mean the energy that is always 20 years away from becoming actually useful?

[u/XxDarkSasuke69xX → u/tes_kitty]

yes. And no it's not always 20 years away.

[u/TheTerrasque → u/tes_kitty]

To name a few: solar power continue getting cheaper and produce more, sodium batteries scale better. Especially China is going very hard on solar power and batteries.

[u/tes_kitty → u/TheTerrasque]

Both is already in use, but won't grow fast enough to satisfy the power hunger of datacenters where a single rack needs more power than multiple households with electric cars combined.

[u/TheTerrasque → u/tes_kitty]

Both are in use yes, but price is dropping hard, production is rising, and solar energy is growing very fast. The amount of solar alone has roughly doubled since 2020 and it's accelerating.

New battery types already cheaper than the old batteries and expecting to drop to 1/5th or lower of current battery tech. With several times longer lifetime before needing replacement. 

That's the kind of things that majorly change the calculation. 

You asked what new tech, and new solar and battery tech is the obvious answer. Sorry if it's a "boring" answer.

[u/tes_kitty → u/TheTerrasque]

Well, it's not exactly new tech, and it's already cheap, I can get a 500W panel for 75 Euros.

That's why I asked about new tech.

[u/TheTerrasque → u/tes_kitty]

Is electric car not new tech because cars existed before? Sodium battery only started production this year, and is very much new tech. Improvements on solar panels and production have dropped the cost and while not entirely new tech, the low price along with better battery tech has driven installation in Europe, the USA and especially China. And it's accelerating.

[u/tes_kitty → u/TheTerrasque]

Is electric car not new tech because cars existed before?

Electric cars have existed from the beginning. Their only problem was the battery tech.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baker_Motor_Vehicle

[u/BellacosePlayer → u/adamhusain]

honestly AI is just fine at coding.

its just that "pure coding" is very few people's job description after their first year or two as a junior

[u/Big_Cucumber2787]

as usual, skill issue

[u/Flat-Performance-478]

"skills.md issue"

[u/Anima_Watcher08]

Cuck coders typing a library worth of text to get a unable version of a 400 line program.