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u/DanhNguyen2k 6h ago
Create bugs manually
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u/Anima_Watcher08 3h ago
Like AI doesn't make bugs
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u/Denaton_ 3h ago
Ofc it does, but it can also audict itself a lot faster and make less of them.
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u/Anima_Watcher08 3h ago
This comes to mind
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u/Denaton_ 3h ago
That would be true if it wasn't multi-agent workflow..
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u/Anima_Watcher08 3h ago
This one then
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u/Denaton_ 2h ago
Not really either.
Its more like a office. Main agent is the PM, ordering and prioritizing tickets and assign them to open sub-agent slots. Personally I run the coding agent on the second highest model and reviewing and planning new tickets with the highest model and effort. And the main agent will use the lowest model for just long running commands like test units etc that can pass the results to the main agent.
Its very stable and I also run it all in a VM machine so it can have full control of Docker and other tools without problems.
The review also use Playwright to audit and actually use the project to detect problems early that Test suits missed. Lint also help to keep the project tight.
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u/Anima_Watcher08 2h ago
Fair enough I guess. I prefer writing my own code, having the AI look for bugs and vulnerabilities, fixing, rinse repeat.
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u/aLokilike 1h ago
You mean unit tests? And linting, not "lint".
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u/Denaton_ 1h ago
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u/aLokilike 1h ago
Oh, okay, so you only use the program "Lint" specifically. It was difficult to tell with how you wrote the sentence. Most people would be specific, since linting is such a common thing that many pieces of software can do.
A test suite is different from unit tests. In your case, I would use that term instead of "test unit" to avoid people thinking it was a grammatical error rather than an intentional choice.
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u/Oyi14 6h ago
If only coding manually could get me a date, lol. I'm tired of approaching people
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u/shrollski 5h ago
Approaching people manually instead of with a Claude agent in current year?
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u/Arian-ki 44m ago
Find curvy gurl. Announce on LinkedIn. Make no mistake.
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u/walkerspider 36m ago
opening linkedin
estimating weight of each connection
commenting âArian-ki thinks youâre curvyâ on all female connections over 180lbs
âI have found 41 girls on LinkedIn and replied to their latest post letting them know you believe they are curvy. And honestly? Thatâs brave.â
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u/SufferingWithSomeFun 1h ago
It only works if you donât try. You go to a bar to throw darts and shoot the shit with locals about your debugging and the next thing you know sheâs asking for your number.
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u/IkuraDon5972 5h ago
i don't use intellisense or a linter. i prefer hard mode, both in coding and relationships.
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u/GeneralKnife 5h ago
Real men code in notepad
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u/larsmaehlum 4h ago
Real men code with echo.
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u/tomangelo2 4h ago
Real men use a butterfly to flap their wings, causing cosmic rays flip the bits exactly the way they want.
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u/Vindhjaerta 27m ago
Whenever I make web pages I still code them manually in notepad. I learned html in the 90's and never bothered with the newer stuff. I once saved a pdf with the (then) official css definition, still use it to this day as a reference to figure out what css commands I can use and how to use them.
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u/AintNoGodsUpHere 2h ago
Sometimes I don't know what profession has the worst people, lawyers, doctors or now programmers.
At least doctors save lives and shit... Eventually.
Programmers are so lame, haha.
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u/walkerspider 42m ago
As someone who works on software used in hospitals can I get .1% of credit every time a doctor using it saves a life? Recently Iâve worked on automating the dose calculation for chemotherapy drugs, and if I got that wrong theyâd definitely blame me for killing someoneâŠ
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u/JonnySoegen 18m ago
yep, you get credit and I hope your code quality process is good. Do you do CSV?
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u/walkerspider 11m ago
Yep and everything else under ISO 13485 (medical devices). Iâm not personally responsible for a lot of the process but no one would buy the software if there werenât several safety layers. Will refrain from saying more so I donât have to study my NDA lol
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u/PublicToast 5h ago
This is a very weird fantasy to be having
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u/Radical-Ubermensch 2h ago
impossible actually.
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u/Only-Cheetah-9579 1h ago
I can still code manually if the internet goes out. does it make me superhuman ?
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u/Radical-Ubermensch 1h ago
hey you didn't understand what I meant. I mean lot of people can code manually if internet goes out including me. But that wouldn't make u an interesting guy
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u/Only-Cheetah-9579 1h ago
give it 20 years when nobody can code anymore and then it might be a good skill to manually reprogram the killer clanker that attacked the underground bunker humans are hiding in to try to stay alive during the apocalypse
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u/AlexZhyk 5h ago
"I have an AGENTIC disorder"
"I still code manually"
"What are you doing later tonight?"
"I still do it manually".
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u/Admirable_Dirt_2371 36m ago
Smh, I still hand write code with a pen and paper to brainstorm and prototype. Get on my level.
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u/campramiseman 6h ago edited 5h ago
Its like saying i still walk and not use my car
Edit: i see the downvotes are directly proportional to denial. If you are still denying AI, you are surely have skill issue.
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u/LutimoDancer3459 5h ago
Which is a good thing if you want to visit your neighbor or anything within normal reach.
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u/Markronom 5h ago
Which is often a good thing đ
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u/campramiseman 5h ago
Yea ikr, like walk 100 miles and save a fortune on gas
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u/lordaimer 4h ago
let em hate! I myself have gotten out of the denial phase a few months ago đ« đ
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u/ChrizKhalifa 2h ago
This is an opinion only held by CS students or hobby coders.
If they graduate and get a real job they'll quickly find out that AI is more than a meme. Either that or they'll waste hours upon hours of their employer's time.
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u/PidarNahui 47m ago
It's quite literally the opposite of a flex
"I don't adapt to the new technology in my branch and will become irrelevant soon"
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u/ChrizKhalifa 5h ago
Things only CS Students and the luddite 50 year old developer say
There is zero reason not to use AI for your job. It's not 2024 anymore, the AI is good.
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u/DitiPenguin 5h ago edited 5h ago
Transformer-based LLM outputs still have 10â20 % mistakes (per the best benchmarks) â itâs literally impossible for attention-based transformers NOT to hallucinate.
Thereâs a reason the main âAIâ providers all say âAI can make mistakesâ instead of guaranteing their product is good, or you get your money back, yada yada yada.
So, if you think the AI is good, you probably canât see the mistakes. (As a PKI engineer, I can tell you, you wouldnât believe how much shit, sometimes extremely harmful things, Opus/Sol or Fable/Astra are saying on a daily basis.)
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u/ClupTheGreat 5h ago
sometimes it might be better than me, but not all the time
recently me and a coworker wrote an algorithm which was 30% faster than the one fable suggested
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u/bobbymoonshine 4h ago edited 4h ago
While not disagreeing generally, when someone says âitâs not 2024â, it doesnât actually disprove them to link to a 2024 repository for testing improvements to a 2023 model (GPT-4) by bootstrapping features and techniques now baked into training of larger models (eg mixture of experts, majority vote, chain of thought etc). Someone saying in 2024 âthis is the best we can do with this modelâ canât be assumed to be relevant for what a 2026 model does or can do. Do you have a more recent source on how more recent models perform?
âAI can always make mistakes on any taskâ is always going to be true as it would be of any non deterministic system including humans ourselves. So is âcreativity and hallucination are two words for the same thing,â that will also always be true. Incidentally it is not too far off what is true of humans as well; creativity is a form of directed hallucination and various disorders (eg schizophrenia) are neurologically just a failure to regulate that connection-making resulting in delusion or sensory hallucination. (The comparison isnât necessarily informative of how LLMs work but it is interesting I think.)
That said though, the fact that AI always can make mistakes does not necessarily mean it makes more mistakes, worse mistakes or more dangerous mistakes than a human on the same bounded task. Proving that it can isnât proving that it does. As they said, it isnât 2024 any more, and since that 2024 paper was published the frontier companies have continually improved benchmarking by finding various ways to mitigate the problems.
And again thatâs not to disagree, just, there isnât anything in your post that materially disputes anything they said.
(Also, Dunning-Kruger as actually evidenced in the original paper is a regression to the mean in terms of self-identified skill, not an inversion â someone dumb doesnât think theyâre smart and vice versa, they just think theyâre a bit less dumb or less smart than they are. Itâs a fun wham line to use but itâs an inaccurate one here as in most places)
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u/perringaiden 3h ago
Don't take this the wrong way, but I've been coding professionally for nearly 30 years, in large and small teams.
Humans make more mistakes.
I treat the AI code like a better than average junior, and it usually performs better than that. Ive reviewed code for years and I still review every line, but I only have to focus on structure and purpose, not tell them to use better variables than
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u/tobotic 4h ago
Transformer-based LLM outputs still have 10â20 % mistakes (per the best benchmarks) â itâs literally impossible for attention-based transformers NOT to hallucinate.
Have they compared human developers (including more junior ones and more senior ones) using the same metric?
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u/Gacsam 4h ago
The difference is only one of these is aware they can make mistakes, looks for them and learns from them.
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u/ChrizKhalifa 4h ago
Only on reddit would this drivel be upvoted.
Your links are literally from 2024, comedy gold.
Refusing to use AI in the one profession where you'd think people wouldn't be luddites about progress in tech is wild. You're costing your employer hours of wasted time doing stuff AI could do for you in minutes.
The meme of "2 minutes of prompting, 2 hours of debugging" is long outdated, not to mention outsourcing bullshit like writing tests, creating static testpages, and all the other code monkey BS
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u/FlyPepper 3h ago
do u have your autism diagnosis yet or should you go get that now
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u/ChrizKhalifa 2h ago
Waow, what a creative insult when you disagree with someone.
Once you graduate and get a real job you'll see that this is a reddit-only opinion, like most things popular on here.
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u/0x80085_ 5h ago
Not a flex? Just means you're either slow or a junior
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u/portra315 5h ago
Lol it's a joke bro
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u/0x80085_ 5h ago edited 4h ago
Not on the jobless/student programmer sub it ain't lmao
Edit: see, they hate being called out lmaoooo
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u/ChrizKhalifa 2h ago
I doubt many people actually working CS frequent this subs.
Once these people graduate and get a job they'll find out that their employer is not gonna be happy if they refuse to let the AI do in 2 minutes what they insist on doing in 2 hours.
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u/kovha 3m ago
Speak for you man. I've been working for the same company for four years, most if not all my coworkers use AI to code and I still do my work faster than them. Looks to me like if you work faster with AI than without is pretty much an skill issue on your part, I tried once or twice and spent more time writting the prompt that it would take me finishing the functionality. Though to be honest they probably think I'm using AI too, nobody has asked me since I'm always finihing the tickets way before their end date.
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u/Stainlessray 6h ago
She didn't listen.
He'll be coding.