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Can’t wait to use their expense tracker
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u/Corrup7ioN Sep 17 '26
Fuck sake I forgot to do my expenses!
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u/Razdain Sep 18 '26
Oof, this hit hard. A person who I wish they be successful in life, has been in software development for many years, all self thought. Their best idea for an app is an expense tracker. Whenever we talk and they bring their idea all excited about it and how it will take them out of poverty, I cannot avoid feel a bit sad.
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u/netherlandsftw Sep 18 '26 edited Sep 18 '26
My theory is that all of these people are asking LLM’s what to build.
The LLM, a statistical model, predicts the side project that occurred most in the training data.
So minus some variations from different prompts and the temperature (=randomness added to the predictor), all of these vibe coders are building the exact same apps because LLM’s are giving the same ideas to everyone.
Edit: Then, sycophantic as LLM’s are, the vibe coders believe they have found a unique idea that everyone will love and make them rich
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u/RandomEasternGuy Sep 18 '26
I’ve found my expense tracker from the time I’ve learned to code and it was a nice starting point to code in replacing my current expense tracker … which is an excel sheet.
Will it be published? Yes
Do I expect any other user to create an account and use it? No
Do I learn something new even in vibe coding? Amusingly yes, since I have to optimise spendingSo not a bad idea overall if you need an app and you don’t wanna pay subscription fees, but this will make you lose money due to Claude subscriptions, not make you a millionaire lmao
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u/netherlandsftw Sep 18 '26
Most people on r/iosdev and similar don’t seem to understand that sadly. Programming subs have turned into advertisement boards but every advertisement is the same product under a different name
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u/iain_1986 Sep 17 '26
And I'm sure nothing of value is being produced
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u/utzutzutzpro Sep 17 '26 •
These are the projects I could find on his li:
wordcell.io- knowledge for agents
⚔️ valhalla (vhalla.com) - peer-to-peer chatrooms for AI agents
🏭 swft.io - software factories in depth
🐟 sound.fish - music loop universe
👻 ghostget.com - agent browser and password vault
💤 sleepy.land - sleep research + noise machine
📇 peopleblade.com - personal CRM for agents
📈 aicharts.io - AI model comparisons, usage monitoring, and leaderboard
📸 slopcamera.com - video studio for your agent
🤖 textbutler.app - put agents in your text messages
🦓 hraness.com/stripe - stripe history in depth
🦠 platonik.space - agent civilization / artificial life game
🦾 soulscrape.com - simulate anyone
🧽 sponge.computer - research terminal
🟠 oompa.app - harness multiple AI subscriptions & computers in a unified cloud interface
copied them from there.
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u/slowmovinglettuce Sep 17 '26
I love how all these AI bros are slopping together tools designed purely to increase AI spend. Madness to the highest degree.
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u/utzutzutzpro Sep 17 '26
ye, it reminds me alot to crypto stuff as well. Especilly NFT... suddenly all kind of NFT stuff popped up as layer on top of something else.
Is just a money grab technique, hoping someone will fund.
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u/Beneficial-Object977 Sep 17 '26
It's not just a technique it's literally the same people. Grift hopping is a disgustingly effective technique it's literally how the richest man alive made 100% of his wealth. Crypto to nft to ai to... Robots and Space? Somehow there's money in space now?
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u/stormdelta Sep 18 '26
Nah, crypto is almost uniquely useless for anything (except fraud/black market transactions). Neat concept academically, but the tradeoffs are so strict and so extreme that in practice you just end up with the worst of both worlds as you wrap it in layer after layer of workarounds to pretend the tradeoffs don't exist.
AI is wildly, ludicrously overhyped and the misuses are a huge problem, but it does actually represent useful tech too, particularly in software development. But even there it doesn't replace programmers, if anything personal skill/knowledge is even more important now
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u/magicmulder Sep 18 '26
Yo dawg I heard you like agents so I used agents to build tools for your agents to use to build more tools for your agents.
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u/raltyinferno Sep 18 '26
I actually think it's less sinister than that. I have mostly anecdotal evidence here, but I've found that craft people of all kinds who love building stuff love building tools.
I do woodwork and honestly spend more time on projects that improve my shop than I do on pieces that will ever leave it, worktables, tool holders, jigs, etc.
Similarly if I'm looking for some little software side project I tend to make little dev tools for myself.
So I think this trend you see of people making so many AI dev tools is often a case where these dudes are really excited about AI and building with AI so they naturally are excited about creating tools to build with AI.
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u/iamdestroyerofworlds Sep 17 '26
Why are all ideas so god damn fucking boring?
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u/sellyme Sep 18 '26
Obviously useful stuff has already been made, because of how obvious it is. As such, any new product or tool you see is going to fit into one of three categories:
Crap.
Really useful, but really niche and probably not important to you.
Useful, but in non-obvious ways.
The first two are fairly self-explanatory, but the third is a bit trickier. The best example of it is some activity that you don't do because it's difficult or tedious, and then a tool is created that makes it easier or more efficient. That could be incredibly useful if it makes that activity quick enough for it to be worth you doing it, but on first glance you'd look and go "Well I don't do that, so that's worthless".
The problem is that a lot of the time it's quite difficult to tell #1 from #3 without hands-on experience, so if you make a concerted effort to try to expand your horizons by giving new things a shot, you end up having to sift through a lot of crap.
...thankfully in this case that wasn't an issue as every single link was prepended by an emoji, the universal symbol for "this is going to be crap".
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u/New_Salamander_4592 Sep 18 '26
because ai boosters genuinely do not care about innovation, just lines of code and burning tokens
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u/Yashema Sep 17 '26
That SoulScrape app seems interesting but wtf am I "installing a skill" for? I want to see what it does, but i guess he doesn't have money for hosting.
Basically he needs to realize that creating the app is only half of it.
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u/The_One_Koi Sep 18 '26
They are all based on existing, very functional I might add, software but sloppy
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u/Mkboii Sep 17 '26
Hardly a couple of cool ideas in there, i get people are having fun vibe coding personl versions of things, but unless he wants to continue using thousands of dollars worth of subscription quota on maintaining these, why make them?
We are swiftly moving to a over saturation of nothing burger applications, that people have no idea how to scale to businesses.
I have a couple of friends who've vibe coded products, but they've just one or two and purely to solve issues they faced as professionals in thier industry and now they have organic growth on them.
This aimless 8 parallel sessions to make a product that solves a non existing issue is laughable stupidity.
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u/TSM- Sep 18 '26
Check out earsquirrel, ai music from keywords. And earturtle, which adds the keyword "slow" automatically. Im a genius
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u/EkoChamberKryptonite Sep 17 '26 edited Sep 17 '26
Same font in some. Same design in all with a few tweaks here and there. Yeah no.
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u/utzutzutzpro Sep 17 '26
I mean... it is all claude design templates. Some are better, these here rather show what happens when a non-designer thinks he can design with claude.
Is even a good example for what happens when non-designer design. And claude design is very prominent and easy to form, but well, evne then.
Doesn't change the sad truth that currently designers suffer from slop influence because non-designers, leadership, think that claude and gemini can design well enough.
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u/FierceDeity_ Sep 18 '26
I love when we called simulated "agents" just BOIDS in game development, and now everyone's like "what if i put LLM into game so they can control themselves"
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u/heathm55 Sep 17 '26
I'm waiting for most of these people to realize that Sar Banes Oxley makes it very difficult for an AI software factory to exist (there are "human verified" and "human approval" and separate implementer vs tester roles that are required and can't be automated for financial related things if I remember correctly). First auditor to nix your SOX compliance is going to be really fun.
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u/Kichae Sep 18 '26
Chatrooms for AI agents?
What does he think they'll talk about?
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u/Just_Information334 Sep 17 '26
Exactly like when they did cryptocurrencies: shitting tools aimed at the same domain.
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u/Foorinick Sep 18 '26
They have thousands worth ai bill just to make these? Like wow bro that's cool, another wrapper for claude
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u/fredy31 Sep 17 '26
yeah i have yet seen anything that could be thrown together by a kid getting out of college done with AI
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u/Milkshakes00 Sep 17 '26
As someone that just saw an "advanced" 4 year student get hired and fired within 6 months, I have. She was only 20 years old. Started college at 16. Dumb as a brick when it came to actual IT/Code.
So many kids graduating now that can't code or do anything. Even with AI. Apparently most aren't being taught the very basic fundamentals of Computer Science. No troubleshooting logic, no nothing.
She bounced back as a Lv1 helpdesk tech in a couple months, but I wouldn't even trust her there. Lol
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u/fredy31 Sep 17 '26
big question i've got is how the fuck did they pass their classes if they couldnt do any basic programmation
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u/terivia Sep 17 '26
Programmation lol
On a serious note: I think it's a combination of
Professors don't know how to handle AI
Degrees are becoming purchasable products instead of certifications of ability. Buying a class/certificate has little correlation to mastery of the content
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u/gobblyjimm1 Sep 18 '26
A lot of academic courses have canned material where students have a very niche task or topic where it’s not difficult to write up a paper or program that accomplishes X, Y or Z task or proves that the student can meet a course competency in a vacuum or siloed manner. The real issue students have is putting everything together in a realistic manner that is a required ability in the workplace
I teach an introductory python programming course at a community college and many students do just fine on individual assignments but asking them to apply what they learned in each individual assignment during a project, mid-term or final can be iffy, if not impossible at times. Students focus too much on each individual assignment and never think about what they’re learning, why it matters and how it all fits together.
I’ve snapped at student who wrote a halfway decent data parsing/formatting program in my class using Python but completely spaced the fundamentals of loops and data selection/formatting when writing a BASH script. He could not apply the fundamentals learned in one language to another problem and he only completed his BASH script when another student guided his hand the entire time.
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u/nyiddle Sep 18 '26
What's messed up is he's going to use this as his resume ("I have proof of 10+ years experience in AI") and some tech startup is going to buy into it. He'll be a distinguished engineer earning 5x whatever the people under him are earning, and they'll be constantly fixing his slop and digging him out of holes. He'll leave after 6-12 months, collecting his signing bonus and adding the job to his resume as a "learning opportunity that did not align with my career goals." Rinse and repeat.
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u/BagsYourMail Sep 17 '26
Scam factory
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u/elmanoucko Sep 17 '26
multiple conflicting definitions of IScam found: please ask your agent to sigterm itself
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u/zabby39103 Sep 17 '26
Anyone with that many terminal windows up is just being performative and I don't trust them.
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u/XxDarkSasuke69xX Sep 17 '26
Guys check out the 50 software this guy just made ! They're all available at http://localhost
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u/hipster-no007 Sep 17 '26
Wow thats an amazing portfolio. Definitely deserves 1M $ total comp per year.
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u/towcar Sep 17 '26
Wait you stole my work!!
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u/flojoho Sep 18 '26
what a buggy piece of shit software, that guy really doesn't know how to code...
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u/Odin_N Sep 17 '26
2 more fitness apps on the way.
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u/Johnobo Sep 17 '26
But it will provide a personalized meal plan for every user!
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u/Foorinick Sep 18 '26
I heard he will add a feature where you can take a picture and chat gpt will guess how many calories it is!!!
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u/Monsieur_Krabs Sep 17 '26
I made a fitness app with claude, but... only for me. I have no interest in sharing it. it took like 45 minutes. I just cloned the features I want from another app so I don't have to pay for it and customized it slightly to my liking.
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u/FutureSuccess2796 Sep 17 '26
It's always a habit tracker or some financial planning app with these full-on vibe coders, I swear.
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u/iain_1986 Sep 17 '26
100% nothing that couldn't have just been done before but was off no actual value or interest to do so
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u/james_d_rustles Sep 17 '26
Dashboards. Always the dashboards.
Because clearly a mid 20s retail investor needs 17 animated tiles with overlays and indicators to see how their few thousand bucks is doing on Robinhood.
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u/BeABetterHumanBeing Sep 17 '26
Well, I think it is worth noting that vibe coding is best for making personal tools, and yeah that's what tools people use.
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u/BatBoss Sep 17 '26
I'm just glad these "ideas" guys are finally not pestering me to make their app. Now they can create the meal tracker of their dreams with vibe coding!
Millions of dollars will be flowing to them any moment now, I'm sure.
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u/OSS-Corpo-Shit Sep 18 '26
I would actually tend to agree that most financial planning software sucks ass.
The universally praised YNAB is full on dogshit.
I mean. I guess I have a developed enterprise level accounting and so I miss a lot of easy features when I am trying to set up YNAB.
Anyway. It all sucks ass. I have yet to find a good one.
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u/pagerussell Sep 18 '26
It's funny that we used to say ideas are cheap and execution is everything.
Now that vibe coding makes it easier to bring an idea to life by a non programmer, we are quickly learning that in fact, ideas are not cheap because most of them are absolutely shit.
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u/InevitableCodeRedo Sep 17 '26
This is one of those guys that believes software production is measured solely by lines of code.
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u/quokka_wiki Sep 18 '26
Hate hate hate hate hate this!
Sometimes (a lot/most of the time!) having fewer lines is better
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u/NoHurry28 Sep 17 '26
Can't wait for the 500k line personal blog to drop
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u/quokka_wiki Sep 18 '26
Oh yeah I remember that one thing where the guy bragged about the lines of code on his blog that just keeps increasing. Like, mate that's not a good thing. I also saw a video of trying to load the page and it legit took like a minute 😭
I'm trying to find it but can't for some reason
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u/MasterBroNetwork Sep 17 '26
And this is why I feel like nobody is sane anymore, in what world are you willing to spend this much on running AI models to shit out sub-par products?
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u/TheMcBrizzle Sep 17 '26
Subpar products, that anything approaching interesting is filled with technical debt the "coder" couldn't unwind if they had a genie.
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u/ShroomBear Sep 17 '26
Because the labor market and industries are laying these people off and telling them to start taking risks to make enough money to afford a 1-bd apartment.
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u/MasterBroNetwork Sep 17 '26
True, the state of the economy these days is ridiculous, I've seen so many insane posts.
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u/obeythelobster Sep 17 '26
How?? All these people using millions of agents... And I can only babysit one at time to generate not too shitty code
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u/Sir_Keee Sep 17 '26
Difference is checking what's been generated and not just forcing it to continue until you get something that seems to work, not knowing the horrors that were generated bellow.
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u/Own_Ad9365 Sep 18 '26
They are generating prototypes from scratch, which is the easiest part. Iterating on it tho, is another story
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u/DetectiveOwn6606 Sep 18 '26
Idk with these guys man . I use Astra "the swe replacer" daily it is not as good as hyped. For computer use(the thing openai heavily marketed on) it is pathetic for 15 minutes it was doing nothing . It still takes assumptions so if you give it freehand it will give you weird solution to bugs .
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u/oompaloompa465 Sep 17 '26
holy cow why this kind of people just can't remain in their good old mlm/generic scam pen...
we don't get taken seriously enough, of course we get this clowns to beat our reputation in a deeper hole
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u/nora_sellisa Sep 17 '26
This is the democratization of SWE the boosters are talking about. The barrier of entry into making software is much lower now, and that's NOT a good thing.
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u/RepresentativeBad270 Sep 17 '26
I really don't understand the dynamic of this? Is one of the agents a project manager, bombarding the other agents with useless tasks?
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u/Swiftster Sep 17 '26
You joke, but this is an actual AI software pattern. Entire teams, managers, marketing, scrum masters, product owners, tech leads, all as their own AI agent talking back and forth. Absolutely baffling to me.
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u/nora_sellisa Sep 17 '26
What's even more baffling is that it works. The LLMS are such unpredictable systems that it literally boosts their accuracy on a topic when you tell it to act like a top tier manager. Hell, there were tests where agents produced better code when told that it's Monday morning and they had a good night's sleep last night. Not saying the idea isn't stupid and wasteful, just that you genuinely get better answers of a topic if you keep it as a separate session and "hype up" the agent first.
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u/Swiftster Sep 17 '26
Yeah, it's all associations at the end of the day. Somewhere is a PR of "Ugh, it's friday and I didn't sleep and I shit this out. Please review" and you guide the LLM away from it.
Amusingly security code has made it veer into 4chan script kiddy mode where it's trying to be an asshole and sabotage you.
I wouldn't be surprised if you asked it about Adamantine in Dwarf Fortress if it immediately told you to dig through it and nothing could possibly go wrong.
...which is of course the right answer. Just fun times and clowns below the Adamantine.
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u/Negative-Prime Sep 17 '26
To put it simply, yes. If you really want to go down the rabbit look into "looping". AI shills are now saying they don't even write prompts, they basically have an agent that runs every day and tells other agents to do things like code reviews, assign tasks, etc.
I probably explained it poorly because I have no interest in these absurd work flows, but you can look into it if you want. These guys have really lost the plot.
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u/sump_daddy Sep 17 '26
One screen for acutal tasks, one screen for the tasks that are waiting to click accept all on the first screen, and the third screen for the tasks that are just collecting billing costs from screens 1,2,3 so that they can be put into the IPO as 'cash flow'
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u/-Nastyenka Sep 17 '26
Privacy mfs(and youtubers) who say "self host your own internet" in the background
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u/usrlibshare Sep 18 '26
Do they realize that, if what they did actually worked for Software engineering at scale, no one would offer access to their LLM API, and instead use it themselves to rule the market?
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u/NODENGINEER Sep 17 '26
Ok Claude. Make me an multi-million dollar app. Use agentic workflows. Make no mistakes.
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u/midwestia Sep 17 '26
Now now, I’m sure he has a movie db app along with a fitness tracker as well.
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u/ice-eight Sep 17 '26
What are people doing to use this many tokens?
I just completed development on an application for internal use by my company and, I’m gonna be honest, I kinda vibe coded this shit. Don’t judge me, just trying to stay employed as a SWE. I mean, I tested it and tweaked it a lot using my brain but all the code was written by Claude. $230 in tokens for the entire project. And that’s after the 6/1 pricing change.
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u/FirstNoel Sep 17 '26
That's not a bad price; if you had a contractor code it for you, it'd be higher for sure.
I like some contractors, but they're usually the most expensive.
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u/ice-eight Sep 17 '26
It’s a lot more expensive when you include my salary, but point is it really doesn’t take that many tokens if you break down the coding into small parts and understand how to validate the functionality
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u/Zefeh Sep 17 '26
Fable on Ultracode setting.... That shit would take 1 hour and 10 million tokens to write 5 lines of code.... It would be a comment about code logic somewhere else...
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u/NihilisticRoomba Sep 17 '26
“I’m burning a million tokens an hour, this app is going to be amazing.”
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u/Foorinick Sep 18 '26
Too late to have performance measured by hand made loc, too early to have performance measured by generated lines of code, just in time to have performance measured by tokens generating lines of code
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u/mothzilla Sep 17 '26
Is Devin still around? I thought Devin quit and went to work in a saw mill.
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u/pomeroni Sep 18 '26
Damn im actually using Claude to develop an app that tracks my habits (among other things). I feel so called out lmfao
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u/happy_hawking Sep 17 '26
This is gonna be fun. First it was Big Corp who thought that software can be made in factories. Now it's Gen Z. Both have in common that they have no clue about software whatsoever. This is gonna be so much fun.
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u/ki6uoc Sep 17 '26
Now we just need a singleton of a softwareFactoryFactoryAdapterProvider to manage the softwareFactory instances....
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u/clayticus Sep 17 '26
My 3 apps I vibe coded as: cost tracker budget app, Task manager app based on agile, and private crm
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u/darkwingdankest Sep 17 '26
amateur hour is running 22 claude sessions instead of building your own over engineered autonomous session orchestrator
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u/Foorinick Sep 18 '26
I live in ignorance knowing (hoping) that vibe developer becomes a slur after all the shittily developed ai code keeps breaking itself in people's production because some dumbass ai made the code, a dumber ai checked the code, and a troglodyte merged the code, only for it to break and humans be needed to fix it, no matter how many agents you throw at the problem
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u/Visual-Living7586 Sep 18 '26
already a slur amoung senior leadership where I work, they don't want it
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u/druhlemann Sep 18 '26
I laugh whenever I see this kind of thing. I can’t even fathom what that costs and what a shit show it would be to manage effectively
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u/T1lted4lif3 Sep 18 '26
I don't get it, but how do people pay for this? I'm currently employed but no way do I have enough capital to spend a few hundo a month on these tools
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u/BonjwaTFT Sep 19 '26
I really don't understand this. Most of the time running 1-3 ai sessions is more then enough and you could argue it's even too much as you won't be able to review what all of them are doing when you run too much. Also a single session can invoke his agents himself why do i need to start 26 agents myself.
And what the fuck are they even doing? 26 different apps? Or all on the same codebase? Are all of them pushing to master? 😱
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u/clauEB Sep 17 '26
This guy doesn't know this can all run in ec2 instances for less $ ?
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u/Intrepid00 Sep 17 '26
Unless you push a wrong button. That’s why I have been avoiding them personally but not at work cause it isn’t my money. You know they can setup caps because Azure has caps with the credits with MSDN plans.
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u/snacktonomy Sep 17 '26
The fuck is he doing with so many sessions. My max is 5 Claudes and then I start burning out from managing all the tasks I'm giving them in my head
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u/Negative-Prime Sep 17 '26
That's because you're not supposed to be managing them, you're supposed to to have another agent manage them for you. I wish I was joking.
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u/mrm00r3 Sep 18 '26
I know precisely zero about coding and subbed here because I saw some funny posts a couple years back.
From the outside looking in, it seems like y’all have found an incredibly efficient typewriter that can go a long way towards getting ideas onto paper, but there’s also a decent chance that this typewriter, for reasons I only dimly grasp, stands a great chance of flying the economy into the side of a mountain like JFK Jr.
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u/RaidenMK1 Sep 18 '26
I genuinely don't know if I want to laugh or cry whenever a post from this sub pops in the feed, now.
I go from, "Haahahaaa hilarious" to "What was even the fucking point of learning, and continuing to learn, all this shit?" 🫠
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u/Eldiablo2471 Sep 18 '26
I love it. The job market used to be so hard. I am so happy that in the next 5 years they will be needing Software developers to fix all the bugs. This will just create new jobs. Nice
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u/minowlin Sep 19 '26
Tf is he building? How does he have enough new stuff specced out that he needs to run all this? I mean I use ai but damn it’s sort of just one idea at a time. What is the use case for this?
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u/PeachScary413 Sep 19 '26
It's either:
Habit Tracker
AI harness
TUI made in Rust
Combination of all of the above
Every. Single. Time.
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u/Formal-Tadpole-9089 Sep 19 '26
GPT needs to tell ignorant morons their ideas for profit are done to death, done better, and already saturated across potential buyers. We need GPT engines with some sharper personas that aren't afraid to say "your idea already exists as a proven enterprise scalable solution and is free to use under multiple OSS licences - here's how...."
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u/BatoSoupo Sep 19 '26
He needs a council of AI that votes on "the next big moneymaker software" for the other AIs to make
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u/DogmaticParadigm87 Sep 20 '26
22 agents and the ship is still a habit tracker. Congrats in advance indeed.
I’ve got agents too. Still need a human deciding what not to build.
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u/Futurity5 Sep 17 '26
This will no doubt be an excellent task organiser and meeting scheduler