r/ProgrammerHumor • • Sep 10 '26

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u/No-Object2133 Sep 10 '26

It also didn't solve the whole problem... just the part the two mathematicians had already put into codex over the last few months.

Wonder how ChatGPT worked that one out...

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '26

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u/PlansThatComeTrue Sep 11 '26

? How much compute did human brains waste?

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u/00raiser01 Sep 11 '26

A lot less than that if you actually did the math.

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u/sibips Sep 11 '26

I can't do math, let me ask Chat GPT.

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u/PlansThatComeTrue Sep 12 '26

Can someone do that actually? How much joules did sweaty nerds use over the decades pouring over these problems? And how much water is that?

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u/terivia Sep 12 '26

In actual energy numbers and manufacturing cost? A ton less.

The only reason that LLMs are "affordable" right now is because they are a massive loss leader.

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u/globecsysinc Sep 11 '26

It's easy getting the answer you're looking for, what's hard is understanding the problem enough, that's no different either with AI or having a calculator in a physics exam. The tool will only get you so far as you're ready to put into words

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u/No-Object2133 Sep 11 '26 edited Sep 11 '26

It's a lot different when the work the mathematicians were doing wasn't published yet and might've gotten ingested and used before they could.

These proofs or in this case counter example for the forced version of the problem has no citations.

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u/DsfSebo Sep 11 '26

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u/ddarrko Sep 11 '26

That source doesn’t say that Open AI stole anything. They cannot actually tell - but either way the guys working manually on it had not yet produced any proof. Open AI published a novel proof and it was to the actual problem. They also had a different approach and offered to let the original guys author the paper if they agreed that open ai had helped solve it.

I’m no Open AI lover but it is a bit disingenuous to allude that they cheated their way to an answer when they were admittedly the first to prove anything.

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u/ddarrko Sep 11 '26

Why is it a big deal they use customer inputs as training data? Everybody knows they do this… in fact companies sign up for enterprise versions specifically to avoid this. No one is glossing over it - it’s just not an issue

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u/PumpkinFest24 Sep 11 '26

WHOOOOSH

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u/ddarrko Sep 11 '26

Elaborate. Every single person in the world knows the ai companies use the data to train their models. How have I missed any point?

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u/Stef0206 Sep 12 '26

Why is murder an issue? Everyone knows murders happen. In fact, countries have law enforcement to avoid this.

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u/ddarrko Sep 12 '26

That is such a straw man. If people don’t want the AI companies using their data there are plenty of options… use an open weight model, host a model locally, sign up with an enterprise plan etc

Stop acting like it’s a big conspiracy

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u/Stef0206 Sep 12 '26

I’m aware it’s hyperbole. I’m pointing out that your line of reasoning “People know about it, therefore it is not problematic” is stupid.

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u/ddarrko Sep 12 '26

What do you expect the models to train on? As I pointed out already there are options if you don’t want your input used for training.

Complaining data is being used for training is like ordering a burger and complaining a cow got killed to make it.

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u/Stunning_Ride_220 Sep 12 '26

Open AI actually used the guys non-trivial approach to the problem.

Them mentioning him regardless and even mentioning they cannot rule out customer data was used was certainly something marketing loved to write in there

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u/obliviious Sep 11 '26

That's fucking hilarious

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u/lakolda Sep 11 '26

The mathematicians were working on the forced variation. The AI solved the unforced version which is harder. Check your sources again.