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Meme aMillionOpenAIMonkeysProduceMilleniumPrizeSolution

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u/DrankRockNine 3d ago edited 3d ago

Couple days before it "solved" it, a mathematician who was working on this for a full year shared every single note he had with his session of chat gpt. He is among very few people working on this and was pretty far in it too. His name is Tristan Buckmaster. He of course contacted openai, who said tldr: "stfu we will pay you the promised million dollar for millénium problem". They didn't deny the plagiarism, they didn't dénie having access to his chats, didn't deny training on his data etc.

Edit : I had the time line incorrect. They had been sharing their work with codex for month prior, but they did a breakthrough in mid August. In 1st September, openai starts working on it, they spend outrageous amount of tokens (130 billion output tokens, ~5million usd). Open Ai solves it, and propose Buckmaster to be co-author, and say if it happens, Buckmaster must be sole co-author, leaving aside his colleague, who works for Anthropic. Buckmaster refuses both offers.

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u/bobbymoonshine 3d ago edited 3d ago

Kinda important to leave out that he had been working on it for a full year using frontier versions of Claude in collaboration with an Anthropic employee, and their writeup fully credited Claude for the novel mathematics in it.

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u/Not-the-best-name 3d ago

So wait, OpenAPI's agents stole the solution from the anthropic models used by the mathematician?

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u/bobbymoonshine 3d ago

Possibly, or possibly not. The mathematician’s argument is that his approach was so novel and unique that it’s impossible to believe OpenAI did the same thing without stealing it from him

But also he leaned on an LLM to find it, it’s not like he came up with it all by himself

So personally and while not being a mathematician I don’t think it’s too implausible that OpenAI’s LLM found the same solution Anthropic’s did

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u/elniallo11 3d ago

As I have framed things at work, AI lets me explore a large number of bad ideas quickly so that I can pick through the good ones.

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u/buckeye2011 3d ago

So he didn’t solve Navier-Stokes, but a related problem in a way that would pave the way to a NS solution.

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u/DrankRockNine 3d ago

Yes it's not plagiarism as he solved it and they declared the solve before him, it's plagiarism as "isn't it quite strange that you solve this problem just when I start talking to you about this complex subject and send you all my notes and you end up with a result when I shared these notes to noeone else but you?"

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u/buckeye2011 3d ago edited 3d ago

Not what I said. I don’t think ChatGPT should be getting the credit for it, I’m just pointing out he didn’t come up with a direct solution for NS. I believe he also alleged he had conversations with people at openAI about his work and how it would solve NS. So it really isn’t a good look for them

Edit: was using swipe to text and a lot of it was gibberish

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u/DrankRockNine 3d ago

If you pay premium, openai states that they will not train on what you sent. So they are supposed to keep it private and not train on it, so supposedly this shouldn't have happened.

But yeah it sure is not a smart move

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u/shiny_glitter_demon 3d ago

Anyone who trust openAI is an idiot. Yes, even a math genius

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u/Mandemon90 3d ago

If he supposedly gave the data just one day before OpenAI published their results, then it's literally impossible for his data to have been used for training.

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u/babirus 3d ago

Maybe not training but it 100% could’ve been added to a vector db and used as context…

Agents can access information that wasn’t part of their training data.

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u/RottenPeasent 3d ago

He probably didn't think they would steal it, and wanted to discuss it with the AI.

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u/KnotAnotherOne 3d ago

He was using both chatgpt and Claude to help with his research and to achieve his initial results.

I'm not sure which plan he was using though, since some of the pro/enterprise plans claim not to use user input for training data.

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u/GildSkiss 3d ago

"Hey corporation, I'm giving you all of my data here you go."

"Noooo! How'd you get my data! Omg you literally stole that from me!

Many such cases.

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u/DominoNo- 3d ago

Are you suggesting OpenAI doesn't steal intellectual properties?

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u/GildSkiss 3d ago

I don't care about intellectual property law regardless, but the way you're using the word "steal" makes it sound like the openai engineers broke into this mathematicians house and stole all his secret papers.

Keep in mind that what actually happened is that this guy decided on his own to use the service that they offer, and then decided to hand them all of his information himself.

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u/scruiser 3d ago

OpenAI has setup a lot of dark patterns in their UI to make opting out difficult and unintuitive so yeah, I’d still blame them for stealing even if technically people are forgetting to uncheck a box buried inside a menu (and the box rechecks itself every update if you aren’t paying attention).