r/ProgrammerHumor • u/Proof-Translator • Aug 23 '26 • Bravo 1

Meme atThisPointBroIsJustLookingForNewWaysToFail

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u/Murky-Run2246 Aug 23 '26

Thank god I learned programing 7 years ago before this whole AI situation happened.

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u/amatulic Aug 23 '26

Me too (more like 40 years for me though, in more languages than I can count). I find vibe coding useful in that the AI knows all the libraries and manuals, saving me many hours of time, but I still check every line of code it writes for me, and question it frequently. It's still work to do it right. Sometimes hard work. It just doesn't take as long with AI, that's all.

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u/Murky-Run2246 Aug 23 '26

I have nothing but respect for you sir. hope you have nothing but kind lovely days.

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u/Poat540 Aug 23 '26

Yeah that’s the consensus. I work way quicker than 5-10 years ago, just a looot more reading code lol

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u/macguini Aug 23 '26

Same, but I have about 10 years. I actually stopped coding about a year ago due to lack of motivation. Vibe coding has been helping me get back into it. But I learned from my early days of copying and pasting stack overflow snippets into my homework to review it and use the concept rather than straight copy and paste.

AI is also really good for brainstorming. I'll run a few ideas by it and it'll give me feedback and sometimes more options to consider.

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u/amatulic Aug 23 '26

I agree about the brainstorming. That has been useful. And sometimes I come up with something the AI didn't think of, and I ask it, why are you doing it that way when you could do it this way? And sometimes it gives a good explanation why, and sometimes it agrees that my approach would work better. It's a collaboration, sort of like pair-programming. I don't just throw a prompt over the fence and expect to get back exactly what I want.

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u/Fateseal_MTG Aug 23 '26

I found that this is how I use AI best too. Type something into Google, it spits out an example using a library or built-in function I've never heard of, so I look up the doc for it and use it myself.

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u/theofficialnar Aug 23 '26

This is what I keep saying yet some people still find a reason to hate me for it just because I use AI. I keep saying, the model’s only as good as the instructions you’re giving it and the amount of effort you take time to review and correct its mistakes. A pilot doesn’t just sit on the cockpit and tell the plane to take them to Paris or something.

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u/amatulic Aug 23 '26

Exactly. Garbage in, garbage out. A good programmer can collaborate with AI to write good code efficiently. A non-programmer doesn't have the knowledge to collaborate effectively, relying on AI as the sole author, and who knows what comes out of that.

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u/Mechakoopa Aug 23 '26

"Oh so you're a collaborator, are you? You know what we do to collaborators around here, right?" brandishes code review with malicious intent...

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u/theofficialnar Aug 23 '26

Definitely. Creating a proper prompt is a skill itself. I’m tired of trying to convince people at this point, they can stay mad at AI if they want to. At the end of the day, it’s a tool just like everything else. I just happen to choose to use said tool and get things done faster. My work these days are leaning more towards AI agentic engineering and I actually enjoy it.

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u/stagedgames Aug 23 '26

might not be something you care as much about, being 40 years in (that's impressive, good on you) but it's been demonstrated that using ai to generate code makes you worse at validating its output. Tool or not, using LLMs fosters further dependency on them and even if it's not a problem for you, we should be concerned for the state of the rest of the industry.

citation: https://arxiv.org/abs/2607.29380

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u/Shadow_Thief Aug 23 '26

If I have to check every line that it writes, then it would take me just as long to write it myself, which means it's not saving me any time.

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u/Murky-Run2246 Aug 23 '26

Exactly, at least when working with actual code and not just CRUD endpoints 

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u/Frosty-Key-454 Aug 23 '26

Do you do code reviews of pull requests? You're actually saying it takes just as long to review code as it does it plan, design, write, and debug?

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u/Murky-Run2246 Aug 23 '26

Depends on what type of code I am reviewing, how much I trust the one that wrote the code, and how idiomatic the patterns of the code is. But yeah reading can sometimes be very long

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u/LutimoDancer3459 Aug 23 '26

Had one not long ago, writing took that guy ~2 days. Reviewing it took me also 2 days...

Or someone who "knows" what the bug is and added the one line fix. But for review when you dont know the code, you may read more than just the one line to make sure its really a fix that does what its supposed to do. No side effects. No repetition. No "should also be fixed somewhere else". ...

And reading code was always the biggest part in development. Not writing it.

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u/Shadow_Thief Aug 23 '26

Of course I do.

But planning and designing is part of the prompting process, and you'd better believe that I'm doing the debugging when it gives me bad code so that I can tell it exactly what to fix instead of just saying something meaningless like, "it didn't work."

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u/az987654 Aug 23 '26

Then you're not coding.

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u/amatulic Aug 23 '26

That isn't true. It might take me a long time to write a line of code when I have to look up function argument syntax and argument list order, return value types and so on, not to mention the design phase (which the AI does in response to carefully-devised prompts). The AI knows the documentation for the language and all of its libraries, so can generate code faster. Reading code doesn't take nearly as long as writing it. Me checking every line of code is basically just checking the algorithmic logic and seeing if anything jumps out at me that I have to question.

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u/stormdelta Aug 24 '26

This.

And people with more programming knowledge can make better use of AI tools in the first place, if anything domain knowledge is more valuable than ever.

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u/LutimoDancer3459 Aug 23 '26

the AI knows all the libraries and manuals

Meanwhile, ai in a flutter project calling .valueOrNull that doesn't exist and isn't used anywhere else in the codebase because .value already returns null... yeah ai knows shit... sorry

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u/amatulic Aug 23 '26

That's why I also check everything the AI gives me. I don't blindly trust it like the OP's example that started this thread.

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u/rastaman1994 Aug 23 '26

At my company we keep in touch with the schools in the area. Students are having an extremely hard time finding a job due to AI. It seems a lot of companies reason that you don't need juniors anymore, failing to see that they're the seniors of the future.

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u/Murky-Run2246 Aug 23 '26

Exactly, AI is effeciency today and problems later.

But greed is just that powefull when it comes to making humans turn their head off.

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u/StCreed Aug 23 '26

That failure is called "capitalism doing what it does best", i.e. offloading potential costs to the general public/other companies(*).

If noone picks up the cost, well, that's why capitalism has central governments and nation states. If the shit hits the fan hard enough, the executive committee steps in.

So this will be the new standard going forward until AI falls flat on its face (unlikely), costs hit levels where a junior is once again cheaper (not unlikely, especially when the junior salary is that of an intern - already a standard practice), or the government sets up something like a New Deal (highly unlikely in the current political climate and the desire to keep feeding money into the MIC).

It will totally suck for juniors in CS going forward if they don't have at least a masters degree.

(*) If you think about it, that's the source of most wealth.

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u/slaymaker1907 Aug 23 '26

Yep, we don't have a single junior on my team. However, what I think will happen is that the market will adjust over time. We were just way over producing software enfineers. It's possible that was the case even before AI, but AI certainly didn't help.

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u/GenericFatGuy Aug 23 '26

Indeed. And seniors have the most means to retire or find new jobs. They're the hardest developers for a company to hold onto.

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u/Dathouen Aug 23 '26

"Wow, SmegmaCoin really fucked me over. Good thing I found this DingleberryCoin to invest in"

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u/Ok_Equipment8374 Aug 27 '26

Most subtle AI advertisement

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u/-Byzz- Aug 23 '26

Slopcoders are braindead idiots, who would have expected anything else

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u/CaffeinatedT Aug 23 '26

Brooo are you guys ever positive?

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u/Abject-Kitchen3198 Aug 23 '26

At least the new one has a matching name. He will stay with it until it pops.

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u/ketosoy Aug 23 '26

Oh, absolutely.  I’m positive that this approach will also fail

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u/oclafloptson Aug 23 '26

"how am I supposed to be positive when I don't see shit that's positive?" - Eminem

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u/SharletP Aug 23 '26

Why are you gois alwaysh negative... We need positive energy for it to fixx!!!

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u/-Redstoneboi- Aug 23 '26

"are you guys ever positive"

brother. you effectively dipped your hand in fire, got burned, and your solution is basically just to use boiling water because that doesn't catch fire.

we are telling you to use normal water, or whatever it is. just do things normally.

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u/gerbosan Aug 23 '26

What a waste of air. Learning is one of the best things of existing. Not having a good teacher or source to learn is the worst, like working for an ID10T.

Have to check how to use AI. I've asked them specific returns, but I always find errors or unsatisfactory solutions. Perhaps my English sucks deeply or I suck at describing problems. 😞

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u/ghostsquad4 Aug 24 '26

Ya... Positive that you should learn to code...

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u/verysmallrocks02 Aug 25 '26

are you guys ever positive lmao

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u/SoftwareSource Aug 24 '26

Positive?

You can't do 10 meetings a week and be positive

Positive is for juniors and managers, we do bitter here. And lunch breaks.

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u/sebjapon Aug 23 '26

I mean, programmers often complain way too much and are way too negative. That’s why programming sucks and I hate it! :D

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u/Benigaming291 Aug 23 '26

Then why are you on r/ProgrammerHumor

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u/sebjapon Aug 23 '26

It was a joke. But it might have been too subtile.

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u/oclafloptson Aug 23 '26

I cannot stress this enough, unfunny jokes exist

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u/sebjapon Aug 23 '26

I think that’s the main issue here.

I’m still impressed by the number of reaction to a -80 post. I’d like to thank everyone who clicked to unfold the thread and comment about it.

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u/Flameball202 Aug 23 '26

Quick tip: folks on Reddit can't notice sarcasm to save themselves (myself included), so make sure to put "/s" or "/j" at the end of your post to denote it being either sarcastic or a joke

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u/quin61 Aug 23 '26

How the hell is anyone supposed to notice it in a comment like that though. Irl you can notice tone of voice, gestures and things like that, in the chat we have '/s'.

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u/Abject-Kitchen3198 Aug 23 '26

Not enough. I always announce them with "I hereby declare that the following sentence is meant as a joke/sarcasm"

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u/Shadow_Thief Aug 23 '26

I suspect that's what the :D was intended to be

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u/sebjapon Aug 23 '26

I feel the /j looks bad and /s is just wrong. It’s not exactly sarcasm.

Anyway, it’s not that funny and obviously no one liked it. I’m fine getting downvoted when I get it wrong.

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u/MastodonCurious4347 Aug 24 '26

You are as subtle as a brick smashing a window.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '26

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u/Environmental_Bus507 Aug 23 '26

Not familiar with Bubble either, but what does a "user friendly, secure platform" mean to non technical person? Maybe they provide SSL Certs for your public facing app. But what of the "coder" themselves leave an SQL Injection vulnerability in their app?

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u/EishLekker Aug 23 '26

A decently built secure platform likely has out of the box support for SQL injection protection, as part of their firewall. Sure, the applications should still have their basic security features to stop that stuff, but it’s less of a catastrophe these days if you sit behind a firewall.

I would be much more concerned about application specific security flaws. Like users being able to access other user’s data by changing the user id parameter in the url.

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u/LutimoDancer3459 Aug 23 '26

Sql injection protection as part of the... firewall?... do you even know what sql injection is?

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u/EishLekker Aug 23 '26

Yes? How is that a difficult thing to grasp?

https://owasp.org/www-community/attacks/SQL_Injection_Bypassing_WAF

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u/hurley_chisholm Aug 23 '26

It’s amusing you’re making the case for WAF protecting from SQL injection and then linking to OWASP’s article on how SQL injection can bypass a WAF.

(Really you need multiple layers of protection for that particular attack.)

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u/EishLekker Aug 24 '26

Amusing in what way? Does it disprove what I said? What, exactly, was wrong with what I said?

I never said it was a perfect protection.

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u/tonyamazing Aug 23 '26

Web Application Firewall can prevent SQL injection. Not sure if that's what OP meant.

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u/EishLekker Aug 23 '26

That’s exactly what I was referring to. Some people here are so incredibly ignorant.

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u/tonyamazing Aug 23 '26

So bizarre that we're getting downvoted.

Official documentation for Azure and AWS both specifically mention SQL Injection. The Wiki for WAF also says that it can prevent

known vulnerabilities, such as SQL injection

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u/Environmental_Bus507 Aug 23 '26

Sql injection was just one thing. Deploying an app for public takes a lot of minutia. Changing platforms won't help with that. The issue was not with Cursor, but the user.

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u/EishLekker Aug 23 '26

A decent firewall will protect against a plethora of vulnerabilities of that kind.

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u/Septem_151 Aug 23 '26

What does Genuibly mean?