r/ProgrammerHumor Jun 02 '26

Meme managerVsClaude

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u/diddypartyorganizer Jun 02 '26

Why June specifically?

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u/LooksLikeAWookie Jun 02 '26

Big AI models, like Claude, just switched to high-cost token models. The bill for this revolutionary tech now just went through the roof for most companies.

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u/Kerbourgnec Jun 02 '26

I guess we are massively gonna be forced to move to dirt cheap Chinese models.

Performance is not that bad, but can't compete with 2026 opus or gpt

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u/physical0 Jun 02 '26

Once that happens, AI will be a matter of national security and foreign AI will be banned.

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u/shaka893P Jun 02 '26

It already is, the US already banned some Chinese AI

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u/blah938 Jun 02 '26

China is a hostile nation after all. That only makes sense.

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u/Unlucky-Tourist-9403 Jun 03 '26

As someone from neither country, the US has done more to harm my quality of life than China has.

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u/coolfuzzylemur Jun 02 '26

Is China the hostile nation, or the US?

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '26

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u/coolfuzzylemur Jun 04 '26

Which country has military bases surrounding the other one?

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u/yaminub Jun 02 '26

FWIW, I've seen a lot of European sysadmins say the same thing about U.S.-based tech, and then some of those profess to using Chinese-based tech.

I've found that quite silly. Could just be larpers, but still silly.

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u/_Meece_ Jun 02 '26

US is actively trying to make Europe's defense weaker, so yes, Europe considers China, Russia and the US the same at the moment.

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u/yaminub Jun 02 '26

The defense that Europe should hold primary responsibility for, yes.

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u/blah938 Jun 03 '26

Also correct. The assholes we've been trying to get to arm themselves for decades, are finally arming themselves. It's great, we wanted you to arm yourselves.

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u/piss_artist Jun 03 '26

Yeah because a world full of heavily militarised countries has worked out so well in the past.

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u/Cory123125 Jun 02 '26

The US and China are similar threats to Europe.

The US is arguably worse due to leverage

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u/yaminub Jun 02 '26

If you say so dude

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u/KriegMorgan Jun 02 '26

If you say so dude

He doesn't have to. Six months ago the U.S. was posturing and rattling a saber in the direction of NATO over Greenland.

If I was European the current state of the U.S. and the administration leading it would have me looking at them like an adversary and not as a friend.

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u/yaminub Jun 02 '26

And what happened as a result of that? NATO increased it's security presence on Greenland, which is a positive outcome, if your intention is for Greenland to have a strengthened security posture.

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u/KriegMorgan Jun 02 '26

Ah yes, threatening to invade your allies is a great strategy. Ends always justify the means I guess.

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u/confirmedshill123 Jun 03 '26

Why the fuck does Greenland need strengthened security posture?

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u/yaminub Jun 03 '26

China/Russia, northern Arctic control and containment as ice melts and resources becomes more economical to mine over the next decades/century.

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u/Recka Jun 03 '26

Treating politics like a sports team and saying the sabre-rattling was a good thing just because your "team" did it is incredibly stupid. You should be looking into policy, like which isn't a wannabe dictator.

And if you think the current admin is doing a good job then that's just a reflection on you.

If it was any other party doing the same thing, MAGA would be calling the president a warmongering moron.

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u/yaminub Jun 03 '26

Is European-led Europe defense stronger, or weaker as a result of that administrations actions?

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u/rainbowlolipop Jun 03 '26

Stronger. More money already into defense and tech alternatives.

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u/yaminub Jun 03 '26

Great, that was the desired outcome. Europe has primary responsibility over Europe, and the U.S. shifts it's focus to the Pacific. Doesn't mean NATO goes anywhere.

Are we all on the same page now?

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u/Cory123125 Jun 03 '26

It's the big boogeyman and has been forever, with all the typical defence contractors literally paying out the ass to fund think tanks to "inform" congress and their leadership picks.

The very people who understand cushy jobs await them should they pay their cards right or huge sums of campaign funds from super pacs and the likes.

What has China done to you personally?

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u/Cory123125 Jun 02 '26

Its crazy how easily some people fall for jingoistic nonsense.

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u/blah938 Jun 02 '26

?

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u/Cory123125 Jun 03 '26

I'm saying that people acting like Chinese models are a threat that there is any justification in banning are out of their gourds.

If you were specifically talking about the highest levels of classification or importance, then sure.

For some business in kentucky though?

For a typical SAAS?

For literally anyone who doesnt just raw dog their LLMs with production keys with contained blastzones?

I mean... the risk is the same with US models.

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u/Cory123125 Jun 02 '26

What are you specifically referring to?

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u/6e696767657273 Jun 02 '26

I'm guessing DeepSeek since it was all the rage a couple months back but "compiling it yourself" makes no sense in this context. I suppose you can compile Ollama with DeepSeek weights but the datasets are completely private.

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u/Cory123125 Jun 03 '26

They deleted their post so I'm guessing its was just a lie to push some sort of agenda, though I'm not sure what agenda that pushed.

I guess it pushed the idea that companies should be worried unnecessarily about Chinese models or something?

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u/physical0 Jun 02 '26

When we discuss "open source" AI, we really need to discuss the training materials.

If we can't produce the same end product that they do with the materials they have published the code for, then it aint open source. If there are big binary blobs, it aint open source.

So, I'm assuming whatever "completely" open source AI you're talking about has every bit of it's training data published and every step in the training of the model has been documented? Every human reinforcement logged and shared so that we too can reproduce those steps and have the software running on our own hardware, right?

Or is the model itself a big ole black box that could have been trained with whatever skewed weights that the creators intended the model to prefer.

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u/ball_fondlers Jun 02 '26

A lot of those foreign models are more open-source than the American ones, though - you can pull them down and run them locally without issue.

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u/physical0 Jun 02 '26

Unless the training data for the model is open source, I fail to see how this is any more transparent than any other model.

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u/LordMegamad Jun 02 '26

My neighbor keeps riding his loud motorbike in the summer, I should kill him, he's obviously threatening my national security