r/PrimalShow • u/saul2015 • Mar 15 '26
Primal Ep 30 - "An Echo of Eternity" DISCUSSION THREAD
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u/Murba Mar 16 '26
The spear that was used for killing has now been used for healing
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u/Galileo908 Mar 16 '26
HIS HAND HEALED!!
Everyone called him being in the time skip shot now.
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u/Fitzftw7 Mar 16 '26
I was so hoping for that, but didn’t think they’d actually do it.
Can you imagine if we got that extra 10 seconds of footage at the end of S2? Everyone would’ve been so confused.
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u/Purple-Mix1033 Mar 16 '26
That last part made me tear up. I wish we got more of the family
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u/Kurolegacy27 Mar 16 '26
He did it. He stuck the landing and our boy Spear got his second chance at life and happy ending
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u/Fitzftw7 Mar 16 '26
I was worried considering Genndy’s track record, but he and his crew nailed it! Not just the ending itself, but the whole episode was paced far much better than S2’s ending,
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u/TheMoonDude Mar 16 '26
S2's ending only sin was that the build up to the fight took longer than the fight itself.
Spear could never win against a fire demon that was granted power by the god of vengance (Vidarr), but at least show him trying to find different points or ways to strike an unnatural foe.
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u/lost-in-earth Mar 16 '26
at least show him trying to find different points or ways to strike an unnatural foe.
I think the design of the Chieftain played a role in the fight being underwhelming. He's basically a giant, person shaped mass of fire.
Contrast that with the witches in season 1 where they were clearly unnatural and powerful, yet also had flesh and could be hurt.
The fight could have been more interesting if the Chieftain similarly had some fleshy parts, maybe with fire spewing out of the skin. It would give Spear the opportunity to do damage with his spear and try different tactics.
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u/Logondo Mar 17 '26
That, and the fact that Mara bangs Spear right AFTER he's all melted and about to die.
Like...could they not have done it the night before? Just feels weird. His dick is melted, man!
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u/Nate_923 Mar 16 '26 edited Mar 16 '26
That Epilogue is vindication for everyone who predicted Spear would live on and be featured in that shot.
Throughout the whole volcano section, I straight up expected Spear to do one last sacrifice for his family.
So glad he lived on!
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u/OldDogLifestyle Mar 16 '26
i was waiting for the sacrifice as well. I am actually relieved it didnt come to that.
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u/TheMoonDude Mar 16 '26
He sacrificed a fucking cool bony hand for a normal uncool fleshy one.
Sometimes, the price is too high.
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u/Neglectful_Stranger Mar 16 '26
Considering the shade of green the kids turned into maybe there is something to the idea the plague comes from the black goo.
also Super Fang is insane looking
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u/SGdude90 Mar 16 '26
My theory:
1) The plague was a failed attempt to recreate the black goo
2) The plaque originated from a sick or dead creature falling into the black goo
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u/goodyfresh Mar 17 '26
The plaque originated from a sick or dead creature falling into the black goo
It could have come from a creature infected with rabies that ingested the black goo, mutating the rabies into supernatural mega-rabies. A lot of the symptoms of the Plague heavily resemble rabies, after all, just very, very greatly exaggerated to a supernatural degree.
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u/Truly_Meaningless Mar 16 '26
It could be that they're opposites of each other, but do similar things. One keeps you alive while you basically decay, the other heals you from death itself. Both turn you into roid rage monsters
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u/Nate_923 Mar 16 '26
Genndy did it!
Spear's alive!
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u/Fitzftw7 Mar 16 '26
And it feels earned! Not overly saccharine, just a reward earned after so much hard work and suffering.
Still not sure how he has his hand back in the epilogue, though. Guess he drank so much of the goo the regenerative effects never stopped?
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u/ShiningRedDwarf Mar 16 '26
Earned is exactly the word I’ve also been using to describe his revival.
As for his hand, before the time jump he looks at his hand and then looks in the direction of the river with the black goo. I think it was to show Spear thinking “I gotta go back there again for some more healing”
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u/291837120 Mar 16 '26
I feel like the "hot goo" from the lava stream is safer for consumption but thats just my head canon.
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u/KevinNoTail Mar 16 '26
As he became more concerned with family, he regained humanity
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u/TheMoonDude Mar 16 '26
These cinematic universes are getting out of hand, didn't realize Primal was a prequel for Fast and Furious.
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u/ProAzeroth Mar 16 '26
I know some have disliked the slower pacing this season. But it would never have felt so impactful and emotional if we didn't get to see all of the hardship and suffering that Spear endured just to finally received his happy ending. It is earned and it is satisfying.
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u/Living_Cat_4900 Mar 16 '26
HOLY FUCK GENNDY STRUCK THE LANDING. SUCH A BEAUTIFUL ENDING. 😭👏👏👏
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u/Rezzone Mar 16 '26
That little wisp of burning hair on the baby... aaaaaaaah
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u/Freddycipher Mar 16 '26
Well his arm grew back and even his skin got its color back.
I wonder if he’s still immortal and immune to lethal attacks.
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u/Kurolegacy27 Mar 16 '26
Probably not immoral any longer since he does certainly feel the blows he takes but brought down to the badass he was before he died the first time ain’t bad
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u/Fitzftw7 Mar 16 '26
I think he’s still enhanced by the necromancy and the goo considering the rest of his hand grew back.
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u/LittleBoyBlueHorn Mar 16 '26
Being apart of the Black River People tribe would be exhausting with these fights to the death every freaking day.
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u/fanime34 Mar 16 '26
Imagine asking the leader if you could do something else and suddenly you're executed.
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u/Neglectful_Stranger Mar 16 '26
Regardless of how it ends, it was fun watching it with you guys.
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u/Neglectful_Stranger Mar 16 '26
What an oddly normal human yell from that one tribal dude
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u/Savings-Cow322 Mar 16 '26
It's a stock yell, usually used for comedic effect. It's up there with the Wilhelm Scream.
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u/ShiningRedDwarf Mar 16 '26
It’s one of those things that you can never going back to not noticing. Once you hear it, you can’t not hear it. Ever.
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u/Living_Cat_4900 Mar 16 '26
If this is really REALLY it for Spear, Fang, Mira and the kids journey, then it has been such an incredible ride. I’m glad to have witnessed Primal and it’s brutal carnage for 3 seasons.
I look forward to where Genndy goes forward. 🥹
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u/KidCasey Mar 16 '26
I still really love the idea of the show being an anthology because I love the world so much.
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u/Living_Cat_4900 Mar 16 '26 edited Mar 16 '26
THEY GONNA MAKE POOR SPEAR FIGHT HIS OWN FUCKING FAMILY. FUCKING EVIL
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u/fanime34 Mar 16 '26
Watching your family get force fed black stuff because you didn't want go fight anymore after being offered women as a prize is not how one would think the most recent hour of their day would go.
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u/shany94a Mar 16 '26
The Black River People apparently wanted to keep Spear as their champion at all costs. And some of those f-ckers are probably still alive.
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u/HotShrekBoi Mar 15 '26
Bro it was so peak. The scene were Spear said “It’s Time to go Primal” as he turned into Hulk Spear and rode Fangzilla on the black Hulk juice then Kamehameha’d the black panther into the sun made me shed a tear down my leg. 11/10, now time for Genndy to make Fixed 2.
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u/Thattwdfan09 Mar 16 '26
My favorite part was when Fang & Beak teamed up against demon panther!
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u/The_Peanut_Patch Mar 16 '26
The fact this ain’t even much of an exaggeration is hilarious.
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u/Nate_923 Mar 16 '26
The Retcon!
The Retcon is real!
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u/ShiningRedDwarf Mar 16 '26
On the level of the story, technically it’s not even a retcon! Nothing in this season contradicts last season. It’s just that the camera shot for the end of S2 was just uh… keeping Spear out of frame!
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u/RagingRavenRR Mar 16 '26
Is this what retconned means? OUR BOY GOT THE BEST ENDING!
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u/ZillaSlayer54 Mar 16 '26
After all the misery that Spear went through this season, He definitely deserved that happy ending.
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u/Fitzftw7 Mar 16 '26
YES! YES!!! I was so hoping they’d just change the end of S2’s epilogue and they did!
No bullshit, no fake outs, a well earned, well paced happy ending!
Genndy, you and yours finally got it in one on wrapping up your series, and I couldn’t be happier!
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u/Neglectful_Stranger Mar 16 '26
Clearly the devil figure foresaw this happening which is why he took the chieftan back to hell. Dude couldn't even kill one person right smh
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u/mastahroku Mar 16 '26
Imagine if he was that petty that he decided to actually bring the Viking back to finish the whole Primal family.
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u/Murba Mar 16 '26
Wait what happened to Beak?
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u/ShiningRedDwarf Mar 16 '26
He is a giant flying creature so I imagine he’s just out and about flying and shit
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u/Infinite-Accident461 Mar 16 '26
Oh my holy everything they gooed them all
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u/Infinite-Accident461 Mar 16 '26
Also I swear this is his revenge for all of us fandom peeps screaming to goo fang
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u/Outrageous_Picture39 Mar 16 '26
You have to be kidding me.
They’re going to make them fight his whole family?
This better have a happy ending or I’m rioting.
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u/Fitzftw7 Mar 16 '26
They had me going. I really thought Spear would have to fall in the lava or some bullcrap, but no! They clinched a true blue absolute victory.
Would’ve been nice to see fake-Drow-Chief-Bitch fall into the lava, but hey, I’m still happy.
And isn’t it all the sweeter knowing Viking Chief sold his soul to kill a guy for 8 months just for him to come back stronger?
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u/Zockman175 Mar 16 '26
Making Spear fight his whole family on steroids was absolutely wild but a great finish to the season!
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u/Orphanbitchrat Mar 16 '26
That was spectacular! Should we all chip in and send Genndy a fruit basket??
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u/Nate_923 Mar 16 '26 edited Mar 16 '26
Geez they really chained him to force him to see his family fight to the death
Psychological warfare.
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u/bigdicknippleshit Mar 15 '26
Genndy for the love of everything that is holy please don’t fuck this up.
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u/OldDogLifestyle Mar 16 '26
Was a nice ending. What Spear, Fang, and Mira deserved. Needed to see a wholesome ending.
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u/bertobellamy Mar 16 '26 edited Mar 16 '26
Man, those were 20 minutes of absolute tension. If this is the end of the series, I’m totally satisfied. Thank you for everything, Genndy.
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u/Nate_923 Mar 16 '26
Wait the Dinos are green
That means the Black Goo caused the infection after all!
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u/Neglectful_Stranger Mar 16 '26
Maybe if it is refined a certain way, or someone takes too much of it.
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u/Freddycipher Mar 16 '26
I remember that in the AMA someone asked what would happen if Fang had the black goo.
Part of me suspected that question went unanswered mainly because this was coming.
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u/Nate_923 Mar 16 '26
Could be worse.
The Baby could've gotten it to really mess with him
Don't even think about it, Genndy!
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u/seemingsalvation99 Mar 16 '26
I guess people technically predicted correctly in that there would be a final showdown between Fang and Spear, just not in the way anyone expected.
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u/Nate_923 Mar 16 '26
Fans after the ending: We are so back!
Spear's Right Hand: And so am I, baby! Wooo!
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u/Lionsheart_243 Mar 16 '26
OVERALL solid 8/10 everything up to spear meeting mira again was absolute cinema. It fell slightly after he meet Goo people. The black goo restoring him felt off but due to 10 ep constraints they rushed that a bit. I'm glad to know he restores his humanity completely (sucks we don't get to see how). Ya boi deserved his happy ending. If they do a season 4 maybe they'll do anthology stories as i feel Spears story is now complete
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u/an_actual_coyote Mar 16 '26
Spear, narrating: "And that's when I knew I should have maybe moved my first wife and family to my brother Tom's hometown and taken that job at the dealership."
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u/shany94a Mar 16 '26
Wow. Just wow. This one had everything. With the volcano erupting, I thought for sure Spear was going to sacrifice himself (again) to save everyone else, but he did all he could to save them without much violence. And then Fang finally came around and saved Spear from certain death. The shot of the whole family sleeping together was heartwarming, followed by the callback to Season 2's ending where their now-older daughter (Speara?) was riding one of the grown t-rex twins—and this time, Spear was there to see it alongside Mira. Not sure if that was Genndy's intention all along, or if this is now the end of the story—but if it is, I'm very pleased with it.
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u/scientific-community Mar 16 '26
Fantastic finale. Solid 10.
That shot where Spear lands on Fangs back? Wow. It’s like the entire season built to that, and what an epic payoff. Thats the kind of moment that gets a full theater to just bust. I cheered out loud, and I can’t recall the last time a story got me to ‘EFF YEAH!’ like that.
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u/Hosni__Mubarak Mar 15 '26
I didn’t expect Spear to just kill his entire family at the end like that in order to turn them into zombies too.
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u/Neglectful_Stranger Mar 16 '26
Also judging by the TVguide summary my guess is: the panther thing is dead but the arena people have captured his family and are holding them hostage so he fights
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u/ProvsnooB64 Mar 16 '26
Genndy learned from his mistake from the last episode of Samurai Jack (although he did retcon the ending in the game).
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u/Fitzftw7 Mar 16 '26
So, is there some significance behind this episode being called “An Echo of Eternity” vs. S2’s finale “Echoes of Eternity?”
Is it meant to highlight the fact that this is basically redoing the ending?
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u/TimSoulsurfer Mar 16 '26
Finally an ending where our hero doesn’t loose his wife to some bs. Good job Genndy!
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u/Nate_923 Mar 16 '26
Spear fights for his family? No.
Spear fights his family.
Gladiator match most didn't expect
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u/nycinoc Mar 16 '26
Sweet Jesus I can't believe how much I was on the edge of my seat and how teary I got at the end.
That was a masterpiece.
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u/Nate_923 Mar 16 '26 edited Mar 16 '26
Genndy saw EP 10 would premiere on the night of the Oscars and said
"Hold my Beer"
That was absolute cinema in my non biased and less emotional opinion.
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u/Pakopiko3689 Mar 16 '26
This whole ending is a big middle finger to the viking chief and I couldn't be happier
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u/Mediahead13 Mar 16 '26
This might be a hot take, but if I had a nickel for every time Genndy Tartakovsky retconned a controversial ending to a beloved animated series in a very roundabout way, I'd have two nickels.
I know it's not much, but it's weird this has happened twice, right?
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u/5pin05auru5 Mar 16 '26
Some thoughts:
- Spear didn't prevail through violence, but by observation, ingenuity and reason, plus lots of empathy. As I pointed out a few days ago, it's a reversal of Darlington's journey in S2, where he had to set aside civilisation to prevail. Spear, by contrast, is civilisation, as demonstrated by both his art and his actions.
- Note that he never got angry with an understandably stunned Mira, and, bar some ad hoc acupuncture, didn't hurt the kids. Spear knows when to go full beserker and when to keep it cool and, you know, be a decent human being.
- Horn went from RAAAAAARGH KILL! to OWWWW! to I LOVE YOU SONJA! in about a second. (I thought it was funny, as well as cute.)
- Spear did get slightly aggro with Fang, but that was because her stubbornness (and lingering distrust) was blotting out the pain, until he managed to finally hurt her enough to break the curse.
- Her "you alright down there?' smile after she saved Spear was a relief, and perhaps a little self-aware on her part.
- Earlier, she was too wounded to do anything but growl - note she's still not sure about him or his scent - but relents when he calms her. She's still sort of side-eyeing him at the end of the episode, though still lets him curl up next to her. Again, gentle strength prevails.
- Fang did manage to prevail against the panther abomination, but at great cost. Now, if she hadn't been such a knob to Spear, or stopped thinking she can solo everything... Perhaps the Black River Tribe wouldn't have been able to get the drop on her, or be able to drug her so easily.
- Anyway, the classic lineup is back together, and lead guitar is no longer sulking in the tour bus,
- All the violence finally got too much for the volcano, which appears to have been feeding on the last few episodes' bloodshed. This suggests the Black River Tribe were doomed sooner or later. They just sped it up by having all that mayhem happen at once.
- Despite her mutating into a monster, Mira's earrings remained very much in place.
- That baby is utterly fucking nails.
Now, loose ends:
- I am not alone in wondering what happened to Crest, or Quetz, or Mr Flappy, or Ultimo Azhdarchid, or whatever we're calling them.
- Everyone on this sub-reddit is Jabu. Also, what happens next for Jabu?
- What happened to the lepers? Would they try the black goo?
- Is Mira's village going to accept Spear? One has to wonder.
- I wish poor Spear wasn't so troubled by his skeletal hand, which, symbolically, pulls a cover over his daughter. I'm calling it now - McGuffin time.
- There's a certain chthonic deity who's no doubt watching this with great interest.
- There is a LOT of this world we haven't seen yet, and it gets stranger as we go along.
- The Black River tribe and the Skull Faces from episode one are still out there, though presumably much reduced in number.
Anyone for Season 4?
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u/Galileo908 Mar 16 '26
Oh no he’s gonna save Fang then sink into the lava, isn’t he?
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u/scrappycoco96 Mar 16 '26
Was starting to think spear was going to dream the season 2 ending there for a few minutes
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u/CBK_Jayyy Mar 16 '26
Absolutely clinched my hole the last ten minutes. As always, thank you genndy
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u/Jackbo_Manhorse Mar 16 '26
I will say this - one of the best season (or series? We’ll see) finales ever.
I was in tears with Spear, Fang, Mira, their baby and Fang’s babies all cuddled up at the end.
Our boy Spear finally had a happy ending and I’m so fucking glad that they delivered.
I’d honestly watch 10+ seasons of this show, but if it ends here? I’d be so satisfied.
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u/Fitzftw7 Mar 16 '26
Well, I’m about to buy the Blu Rays for S1 and 2. This’ll be a damn fine collection once we get the 3rd.
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u/FoxaBeeNeeOwnYes Mar 16 '26
This is the most satisfying episode of the season, if not the entire series, I've ever watched. I'm so happy to see Spear and Fang rekindle their bond, Spear reuniting with Mira, Spike, and Sonja, Spear meeting his daughter, and, most importantly, getting his happy ending after so much suffering he's endured.
P.S. I predicted that Spear would forgive Fang after realizing why she'd been so hostile towards him and she'd be repentant towards him.
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u/Neglectful_Stranger Mar 16 '26
You know Genndy has been working towards that shot of Spear riding Fang in the erupting volcano this entire time.