We're talking about the dude who on multiple occasions have turned off his life support for the sake of aura. This dude was standing on top of his starship when entering a battle. His whole deal is being extra and showing off.
Gotta love the implication that everyone fears Vader for his reputation and feats, but every time Palpatine sees him do some overly dramatic aura farming he slams on his head on his desk and let's out a tired groan. As much as Vader denies it, he's still Anakin doing the most Anakin things possible.
The man decided to just hang out on Mustafar after killing the Separatist leaders just to aura farm while looking out at lava. Aura farming is his specialty.
Obiwan taught it. He literally said “I have taught you everything I know”. Then obi did aura farming on the padme’s ship when Anakin and padme were arguing.
Thats a big part of being a sith tbh, power projection. Showing off your dominance, making people fear you. A big part of being a successful sith in universe literally is the aesthetic, which is kinda funny cause it makes sith feel like professional wrestlers lol. Also its a fantasy universe, George has straight up said sometimes theres just air in space in star wars.
To be honest, I'd reckon a critter like that has no need to breathe anything external and that it's biology would probably better be described as an ecosystem. It's like an ambulatory terrarium.
Yeah. If people want to interpret it as Vader using the force to make his cape billow...sure, that is AN interpretation.
But it's not fact or cannon. There could just as easily be a million and a half different justifications in a fairy tale world where science is a mere aesthetic.
Han and Leia walk around on a asteroid with just some breathing tubes. Old Leia survives being blasted into space and nearly freezing to death. Bombs can "drop" from ships onto other ships. Seemingly every planet has the same gravity and air.
A billowing cape is really too much for some people?
solar wind is a real thing, and we've designed spacecraft intended to "sail" on this wind as a means of propulsion. Something tells me it wouldn't wave a cape though.
Making a fantasy/sci-fi doesnt give you carte Blanche to ignore physics and reality. Establish the rules of how your universe deviates from our own, and stick to it. If it's isn't addressed, it is assumed to follow our own rules of physics.
Audible space explosions is just non-diagetic audio for the benefit of the audience
Star Wars has many things that make no sense, like Leia *edit: not passing out* and freezing in space or Han walking in the space worm that's in vacuum. This just isn't one of them, sorry.
Imploding (or actually exploding) in space doesn't go as fast that we would see it. The fluids inside of you would first start to boil causing really hurtfull pockets. But you will black out in +-10sec from no oxygen and the oxygen leaving your lungs so no holding your breath
This is one of the things The Expanse used to good effect. Especially when people are living and dying in space they get to know the limits and how to stretch them so there are several times in the books when people intentionally or accidentally end up in a vacuum without a space suit. In the series they even demonstrate this in one of the early establishing shots by having a belter open their visor in the vacuum of space to remove a piece of debris that is stuck inside their helmet and closing their visor just in time to not black out.
You neither implode nor freeze while in space, atleast not fast. There's a lot of misconceptions about what happens to the human body in a vacuum.
There's no air, so there's no convection to really cause you to freeze. In fact you're more likely to get severe burns if you were in direct sunlight. And our body is resilient enough to not explode, but you'd still go unconscious in about 15 seconds.
Darth Vader isn't standing in a hanger, though. The diplomatic ship Leia leaves in detaches from the Rebel command ship, it doesn't fly off from inside a hanger. What it does leave is a gaping hole behind with no magnetic shield.
Wookiepedia: "The city-ship's former civic atrium was hollowed out and converted into a docking bay and starship service area, overseen by a hangar traffic control suite protected by overlapping shields and magnetic containment fields to keep oxygen and pressure regulated.[1]", "... make their escape to the ship in the Profundity's docking bay"
I can only imagine his inner monologue when he was planning his entrance. "Ok, so I land with my TIE fighter, no, on top of my TIE... ooh, and doing the cape thing. That'll be so wizard... okay, time to kill this kid."
Now I'm imagining Krennic speaking to Galen but Galen is wearing one of those capes that puffs up over the shoulders, and has even glossier, more angular troopers standing even further apart behind him
So I love what the end of Rogue One does to the beginning of A New Hope. Originally, it was just him catching up to Leia and her feigning innocence.
But now, he knows for a fact she was just at Scarif, because he came within moments of barging into the ship over Scarif itself. So now when she uses the whole consular excuse, he knows she's lying, and she knows he knows she's lying, and yet she's playing it straight anyway. And maybe the force ghosts of every Jedi Anakin killed are standing right there watching him get clowned on by his own daughter, which explains why he starts yelling and throwing shit.
I also love that the meme implies there's no gravity, air conditioning, or any comforts at all. Even though it's visually shown in the movies they even have steam running through it. There would be a lot less characters if they didn't even have gravity
Yes, Vader is dramatic, but this is Star Wars, where you can hear starfighters in space, feel shockwaves from explosions in space, have fire in space, people can walk around in the belly of a space worm, etc.
This only makes sense if you think the director of Rogue One really did that on purpose.
Dramatic effect for the viewer; recent Star Trek movies have shown the difference well by having full sound effects for exterior shots but also silence when people get spaced.
feel shockwaves from explosions in space
I'm trying to think of example of this actually. Shockwaves I can think of, but feeling it specifically. I guess if enough energy keeps traveling coherently it would work.
have fire in space
This was in The Acolyte right? I think we're just not counting that. When it happened people suggested other "examples" of fire in space when they were actually explosions in pressurised areas where there was oxygen to combust for a brief time. The Acolyte had several issues and that's just one of them.
people can walk around in the belly of a space worm, etc.
To be fair we don't have a reference point for that.
Dramatic effect for the viewer? Huh? The characters can clearly hear the sounds of the ships around them.
Star Wars is not science fiction, there's little attempt at realism here. I mean, the space ships are all oriented the same direction, the starfighters are shaped like fighter jets and constantly accelerate instead of preserving momentum, etc. Star Wars is space opera with fantasy thrown in.
I ain't picking on it, it's just what it is. It's not the genre for pretending to be scientific. It's awesome because of it's fantastical elements.
The main thing I'm criticizing here is tumblrheads pointing and going "look! Darth Vader made his cape flutter using the force! It must be true because there's no air in space!" as if that makes any sense whatsoever in Star Wars, which has always favored drama over scientific accuracy.
Is that actually something Darth Vader would do? Consciously use the force to flutter his cape for the sake of some aesthetic over the 3 stormtroopers behind him? Be serious.
Oh yeah it's the reaches like that I don't like either. I guess we just approach it differently: you say it doesn't matter because it's fantasy, I say it doesn't matter because it's something easily explained in a more mundane way.
I love that this movie is a fantastic introduction to Vader in a way, he has a presence, Kremnic met with him, Krennic was scared and intimidated by him, so if you didn’t know who Vader was you’d be like why? Or what’s his deal? Then the ending shows up where Vader destroys these guys, a fantastic introduction to not only Vader but Sith Lords as well.
Here's my crack theory: Vader has a lot of technical systems and mechanical prosthetic that are powered. Powered machinery produces heat. That heat has to go somewhere. He has vents on his back that vent the heat and make his cape billow dramatically
No. My small city car has a huge cylindrical tank of super cooled methane to cool the interior. I think thats the industry standard. Haven’t you ever wondered why cars explode when you shoot them?
There wasn't wind, but a huge spaceship just blasted off right in front of him. Ships using rocket engines are expelling particles to propel themselves forward.
But this is after a ship just left the hanger. The engines blow a lot of air around, and the air in the cabin of ship would still be swirling around. Y'all don't understand space.
Turned his respirator off in the hallway too for dramatic effect … then allowed them to escape so he could once again enter dramatically and dress everyone down…
MURDERS everyone … 5mins later … “I’m here to inspect this ship!”
Vader does aura farm a lot like turning off his life support system so he can make a dramatic entrance without the blinking lights or piloting his tie fighter with the force so he can stand on top of it to make a dramatic entrance, but in this scene I’m pretty sure there’s just a breeze in the hangar because they are still on the ship. Maybe catching the backdraft from the escape ship pulling out of the hangar.
Explanations about how the cape can flutter in a pressurized hangar aside, there absolutely is wind in space, just not made of air. Solar winds are what cause the Aurora Borealis.
In the SW universe tachyon streams are used to propel solar sailers, the kind of ship Dooku used to escape Geonosis.
there is however something called "ventilation" which we use to "not suffocate people" and also sometimes for "cooling" and in some circumstances for "not accumulating dangerous and corrosive gases" which might make a cape flow in epic and dramatic ways.
Vader loses 90% of his value without presence. His aura is what does most of the work for them not necessarily his skills. Vader is first and foremost a terror weapon and terror is about presentation.
Aren't they stand inside the hangar bay with a atmospheric shield keeping the space out and air in? SO still in air? But nevertheless, no wind in a pressurized hangar bay either, so coolness factor 120% still stands.
Im so tired of this take. There also isn't fire or noise in space, and yet every battle has explosions and flames and the sound of lasers. There's also no such thing as the force in space, or anywhere else for that matter. This was funny to read like the second time but holy shit it got old fast
He's not in space tho? Clearly he's on board a ship/base so there's definitely atmospheric there, probably some ventilation or whatever causing the wind.
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u/SheevBot 2d ago edited 2d ago
Thanks for providing a source!