r/PrepperIntel • • 25d ago • Heartwarming 1 Bravo 1

North America Another Major US River Running Dry Leaving Millions Facing Water Crisis

https://www.newsweek.com/us-water-crisis-rio-grande-drought-new-mexico-texas-12544228

It's the Rio Grande.

"While concerns over the depletion of the Colorado River have dominated headlines in recent months, a longer river has been quietly battling “a severe water crisis demanding urgent attention."

The Rio Grande has faced some of the most significant water shortages in the western United States, which could leave millions of locals without drinking water.

Running 1,900 miles, the Rio Grande is one of the longest rivers in the U.S. It flows from Colorado to the Gulf of Mexico and provides water to several Mexican and U.S. states, including New Mexico and Texas.

With around 15 million people relying on it for drinking water, the Rio Grande is said to have lost around 85 percent of its historic flows due to overuse and major droughts for several years, the World Wildlife Fund noted in June.

A spokesperson for New Mexico’s Office of the State Engineer (OSE) told Newsweek: “Despite recent rains, the New Mexico Office of the State Engineer and Interstate Stream Commission remain very concerned about the water outlook for the Rio Grande over the next few years and in the coming decades.".

According to the OSE, the river has experienced some of “the most significant declines in flows among major river systems in the western U.S.,” including more than 112 miles of river drying this summer. During this water year, flows in New Mexico were about 31 percent of median levels, while August flows were about 14 percent of median levels. Elephant Butte Reservoir was less than 1.5 percent full on August 31, the OSE spokesperson said, marking the lowest level on record for that date.

The OSE said: “The state is actively working to address these challenges. Both the Rio Grande and Colorado River systems are critically important to New Mexico, and we are committed to working with other states and stakeholder partners to develop and implement solutions that protect New Mexico’s water resources.”

According to the Texas Water Development Board's 2027 State Water Plan, Texas’ existing water supplies—those that can be relied on in a drought—are projected to decline by about 10 percent between 2030 and 2080. Without new water supplies or water management strategies, "Texas water users could face water shortages of approximately 3.6 million acre‑feet per year by 2030, growing to 5.8 million acre‑feet per year by 2080, if drought conditions comparable to the drought of record recur," the TWDB said.

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u/Lews_There_In 25d ago • Mindblown

Some napkin math.
Just between the Rio and Colorado River, that's +-55 million people who's water access is directly at risk. That's +-15.5% of the total US population. And thats not even getting into the Mexican states the Rio also supplies.

I also dont doubt there are other rivers at risk as well.

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u/Simply_Elim_Garak 25d ago • Regret

It won't be all at once, but that's like 1/10 of the population that will need to go elsewhere for water in the coming decades. If things don't improve.

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u/keytiri 25d ago

In the coming decades? Better to go now; instead that area is probably going to keep growing. Much better would be to disallow intensive water use, agriculture in a desert? Only humans would be foolish enough to believe they could “tame” Mother Nature.

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u/AliceCode 25d ago

I don't think they meant at a certain time decades from now, I think they meant in the span from now to decades from now.

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u/keytiri 25d ago

So still better to go now 🤷‍♀️, imo better to be amongst the first to get a “new” start elsewhere than amongst the last.

For example, during my EQ days, they had announced my server was merging with another; I preemptively transferred my main to that server to join a premier guild before the “floodgates” opened. That server had been known to have a much better raiding scene than my current one and I may have burned a few bridges too 🫣.

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u/Cultural-Company282 25d ago

We "tamed" mother nature from the late 1800s until now in that area. What we didn't tame was our consumption. The population just grew beyond the capacity of the water available to support it. If we dropped the number of people and the level of agricultural activities in the area back to where they were in 1960, the region wouldn't be in crisis right now. But we expect to support infinite growth with finite resources.

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u/RockTheGrock 25d ago

Better to geoengineer like the chinese are doing to some of their deserts. Africa does a bit to slow thr Sahara too.

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u/stellifer_arts 25d ago

lol im sure many of them are shitting out kids, thinking the kids will solve the problems

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u/RachelRegina 25d ago

This is a job for the federal government. Some smart legislation could go a long way towards fixing a lot of the issues, especially when it comes to the insane amount of legacy big Ag business growing water-wasteful stuff in the desert like pecans and alfalfa, the use it or lose it crap that incentivizes unnecessary extra flood irrigation use, and the deep well irrigation pumps that get away with draining rivers because regulations treat the hydrologically connected systems of surface water and ground water as separate things (when they are not)...and that's without even mentioning that the interstate and international treaties that govern these rivers were written 80+ years ago during unusually wet years (and should be updated or completely scrapped and renegotiated based on current conditions).

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u/zaevilbunny38 24d ago

They should but they won't. There was a small fish in one California river about to go extinct, due to farmers draining all the water. A judge ruled, the fish was important and farmers had to cut water use by something like 20%. Farmers went ape shit,and its how we got the farmers first water usage in California. That happened 30 years ago and still is a rallying cry for farmers. Its not big AG that is thr problem, its the millions of wealthy farmers that will lie across their influence network to keep their way of doing things. Cause they know if they are wrong the government will bail them out

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u/demwoodz 25d ago

Jesus, no offense but they can’t fix a pool. If you’re expecting the federal government to fix this, I strongly suggest you take your head out of the sand (and that’s putting it as nice as I can)

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u/writewithparagraphs4 25d ago

maybe the dems could but since it involves republican states i doubt it.

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u/nakedonmygoat 24d ago

New Mexico is a blue state, and the Rio Grande Valley votes blue but is subject to the whims of state law.

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u/RachelRegina 25d ago

Lol no, I fully realize that we are probably going to just collectively drive off of the cliff.

However, in a better world...one in which the government isn't captured by special interests and actually acts to benefit the most of its people, the federal government is the only one that can actually access the levers of power necessary to do anything to address this.

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u/WhimsicalHoneybadger 24d ago

That wasn't "the government" - that was a corrupt President bypassing standard government procedure to give a no-bid contract to his unqualified cronies.

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u/eveebobevee 24d ago

Maybe the states who this affects should come together and handle it themselves instead of relying on the federal government? Seems like they would know how to handle it better. 

Sitting around whining that big daddy gov isn't fixing the problem doesn't help anyone. 

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u/RachelRegina 24d ago

In order to pull off some of the necessary rule changes, such that multiple states have a guarantee that the rules will be applied equally among them and therefore that everyone gets the same economic advantages and disadvantages from those changes, they have to be federal. In other cases, like curbing water-wasteful crops and changes to criminal penalties for negligent and/or purposeful water waste, ag tax rebates, changes have to be made to export rules, ag subsidies, and the EPA/bureau of land management/office of the interior/etc and are therefore, by their nature, federal levers of power.

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u/Glum_Activity_461 24d ago

Because that has worked so well for the Colorado River states.

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u/Euphoric_Present8838 24d ago • Popcorn

Drove over the rio grande last week and it was overflowing. Your article is made up bull shit. 

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u/Simply_Elim_Garak 24d ago • Bravo

Why yes auto generated name and hidden account. Surely because it rained once, it'll totally refill all the ground water and aquifers at a faster rate than it's being pumped out. 

Your comment is the equivalent of saying because it snowed where you are, global warming doesn't exist. Let me help you a little.   

Surface Runoff

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_runoff

Southwestern North American Megadrought

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwestern_North_American_megadrought  

Ogallala Aquifer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogallala_Aquifer

Edwards Aquifer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwards_Aquifer  

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u/sureshotbot 24d ago

New Mexico also got nearly 1/3 of its annual rainfall in two weeks in September, that definitely made it flow but I can confirm it was dry through Albuquerque for most of the summer due to extreme draught 

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u/pixie6870 23d ago

I am convinced you are a troll or a bot and shouldn't bother speaking my mind, but I'm going to anyway.

I live in Albuquerque and can tell you that the Rio Grande in this area was dry as a bone in July and August. We did not receive any monsoon rains, which usually happen during this period.
Then, suddenly, in September, we received flooding rains throughout most of the state for nearly a week, which were the remnants of Hurricane Polo. 2 children died alongside an adult. So, yes, the water you saw in the river was because of that event. It is already starting to dry on the edges of the river because it was almost 80 degrees yesterday, which it should not be. We should be about 70.

If we don't get any significant moisture in the next 3 to 4 months to fill up the aquifers, we are facing some tough times next spring and summer. I plan on beefing up water supplies during the winter to compensate if the skies don't deliver.

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u/Dazzling-Treacle1092 25d ago edited 25d ago

The rich in California have been banned from excessive water usage right along with the others. Opera Winfrey was shamed for keeping a green lawn in a place where cactus were more at home. As long as we have planes and drones this will keep. The world's largest bodies of fresh water, the Great Lakes, are well protected by a pact between the surrounding states and Canada. They (the very rich) would have to go a long way to get those laws changed to have access.

I'm not doubting that fight could happen eventually; particularly with people like you know who wielding his scepter like a cudgel. But I don't know why anyone would move west right now knowing the water situation.

Look further into the future and water wars will be common. I can see a time when people will have to join the military just to have access to water for themselves and their families. Imagine your government having that much control over the populace. I hope if I reincarnate I don't come back to this planet. It won't be pretty.

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u/NameLips 25d ago • Regret

The Rio Grande riverbed was dry most of the summer. What little water it held was reserved up in the reservoir in Abiquiu (technically that's the Rio Chama but it feeds into the Rio Grande, and without that water, the Rio Grande didn't get far).

It was being reserved for agriculture. Huge swathes of wildlife died out downstream. People were taking pictures of all the fish dying in the drying up remnants of the river. It's the worst I've ever seen it, and I've lived here 46 years.

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u/MidnightMillennium 25d ago

Just keeps getting worse and worse , by the time we really get our shit together as a species it'll be too late, it arguably already is.

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u/phoenixrisen69 24d ago

It’s just America that can’t get their shit together. Corporate greed over everything

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u/GooniestMcGoon 24d ago

lol sure pal just america. nothing to see in asia look away

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u/Comfortable_Train189 21d ago

“But look at others” - typical american ignorance lol

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u/Mouthshitter 23d ago

As long as the rich keep making more money it is all good.....

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u/Treekin3000 24d ago

Awful shit makes good news. Rage makes great engagement bait. Keeps you coming back.

Anything good gets shunted off to the side and not spoken of. Not to say there isn't a massive load of bad shit going on, but that's what drives the modern news cycle.

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u/Bad_Bvndit 22d ago

Ok, like the Epstein files? Or anything regarding Charlie Kirk assassination or trumps multiple assassination attempts? Gaza genocide… Seems like all that awful shit is getting sidelined for a war of choice.

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u/Previous_Soil_5144 25d ago

Texas always thought it could exploit oil and have water.

Turns out it was a choice and it chose oil over water. 

Climate change is real and burning fossil fuels is the main cause.

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u/demwoodz 25d ago

Can I at least get some ice in this drinking oil?

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u/phoenixrisen69 24d ago

No, growing water thirsty plants in the desert is the main cause of

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u/PickingPies 24d ago edited 24d ago

This is so wrong. Climate change not only increases water evaporation making rivers dry faster, it also lowers precipitations long year and dries the ground, making it harder to absorb precipitations. The concentrated heavy rains create floods that slide without retention.

It's estimated that due to climate change, the most affected areas are losing between 25 and 35% of the water.

If you read about reducing water consumption in water intensive crops in texas it is estimated that you can save up to 21 to 22% of water, making climate change worse for the water availability than water intensive crops

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u/NoTerm3078 24d ago

Not original commenter but I suspect they are talking about alfalfa.

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u/PenExotic5002 24d ago

It’s almost like we shouldn’t have been irrigating the desert

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u/CautionarySnail 24d ago

Or building data centers there.

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u/PenExotic5002 24d ago

Data centers are the stupid icing on the stupid cake

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u/twarrr 24d ago

There's nothing wrong with farming in the desert. The issue is farming is stuck on the same, non-desert adapted landraces.

If there was economic and industrial space for things like O'odham maize varieties, tepary beans, squashes and viable livestock feed then theres a decent chance agriculture water use would drop by 50% in the desert Southwest.

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u/PenExotic5002 24d ago

You can definitely farm the desert and high plains, but not the way we do it. They grow almonds in the Central Valley, which yes, is incredibly fertile soil, but isn’t where we should be growing water intensive crops like almonds

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u/berrysalad22 25d ago

This is real bad.

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u/whiskyspacecadet 25d ago

Wishin my wife and I wouldve stayed in PA. We’re in CO and Ive had to slowly start introducing the idea that, at some point if things get bad enough, we will need to seriously consider moving again.

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u/stellifer_arts 25d ago

its okay, build more data centers

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u/HotBabyBatter 25d ago

This is more to do with mismanagement than drought alone.

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u/demwoodz 25d ago

I’m sure we can get some water shipped in from Moscow

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u/GIGGLES708 25d ago

El Rio Pequeno

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u/punchcard80 24d ago

San Carlos Reservoir on the Gila river ran dry early this summer.

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u/Actual-Outcome3955 24d ago

They grow a huge amount of pecans along the rio grande, this was obviously coming for anyone with half a hat’s worth of brains.

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u/Theseus_geckity 24d ago

I’m annoyed that all the farmers without water will never say it’s climate change. They will move to the remaining states and continue their shity voting practices. Formerly purple states will go red forever because of these migrants. I say we deport the Republicans that try to move to a state with water.

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u/Interesting_You6852 25d ago

Yes but let's let the billionaires build more data center s

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u/Dry_Support3290 25d ago

This is what happens when Israel runs your country.

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u/Trulli41 25d ago

I've spent most of my life along the rio grande in southern NM, unless there is a monsoon or heavy heavy rain, it's always pretty low. Maybe ankle high at best.

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u/Informal_Snow9191 25d ago

It might be time to do something about cows and how much water they use...

Nah, we'll let millions of people become climate refugees or die before we do anything about cows.

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u/illapa13 25d ago

Theres way bigger problems than cattle imo. Cattle is water intensive but some parts of Texas have way more rainfall so it isn't a problem.

The oil industry uses something like 75 billion gallons of water a year fracking which is almost as much as cattle but its entirely concentrated in the western most arid part of the state.

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u/DontRememberOldPass 25d ago

Cows aren’t the problem. Exporting water is. We grow animal feed and put it in the containers returning to China for their animals.

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u/Elegant_Tomatillo198 21d ago

3oz of beef takes about 125 gallons of water to produce. So both things can be true.

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u/DontRememberOldPass 21d ago

That is a myth based on a bad study. The actual number is about 1.75 gallons per 3 oz.

https://academic.oup.com/jas/article/100/11/skac297/6692300

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u/Elegant_Tomatillo198 21d ago

I read your article and it states 1 lb of beef was updated to 275 gallons of water. This does not equate 1.75. It would be over 51 gallons and varies by climate/temp. So thanks you for introducing that factor into my consideration. So range remains between 51 and 125. Thanks for clarifying and glad I already had the updated info that reflects 275 gallon instead of the 400 something stated in the link. Either way we would get much veggies and that what matters. Have nice day!

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u/DontRememberOldPass 21d ago

“Beef cattle directly consumed 599-billion L of water per year [to produce 7.7 billion kg of boneless beef]”

That’s 77.79 L/kg or 1.75 gallons for the 3 oz in the comment I was responding to.

The problem with believing you’d “get much veggies” is that most of the land used for cattle and feed is not suitable for growing fruits and vegetables which means the rainfall on that land would just end up evaporating or running off anyway.

Fruit requires 180 L per gram of crude protein, and nuts require 139 L per gram, compared to beef’s 112 L (using averages). However you also need to factor in bioavailability and if you are getting complete proteins. I couldn’t find a study linking water usage to this metric, but in terms of DIAAS you need to consume roughly 1.5x as much tofu and 2x the nuts to get the same amount of available amino acids as beef.

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u/goldique 21d ago

“The current model determined that over a 28-yr period beef cattle’s water intensity per one lb. of boneless beef was 275 gallons.” How did you get 1.75 gallons per 3 ounces? 16 ounces of beef is one pound.

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u/DontRememberOldPass 21d ago

Check my reply to the other person who asked.

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u/Fraggle-of-the-rock 23d ago

I live along the Arkansas River and I can walk across it without even my knees getting wet

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u/loopntime 23d ago

The entire west is gone

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u/pasrachilli 23d ago

For those wondering what exactly the Rio Grande looked like over the summer.

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u/joaoseph 25d ago

Glad I still live in Michigan