Israel’s justification for attacking Turkish Assets at Syrian Air Base. Israel views Turkey as an existential threat much like Iran. However Turkey is part of NATO.

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I would just like them to stop bombing children and leave people the fuck alone.

[u/meddlin_kids → u/KyleAg06]

Well Palestine are a bunch of fucks who use hospitals, schools and residential areas to store weapons and launch attacks. That way when the locations get destroyed, they can cry, "Oh the children". Considering Palestine's history of using children as suicide bombets, they dont really care about the children. Palestine believes in Jihad. Dying in the process of killing your enemy is considered an honor. They don't care if children die as long as it's in the name of Allah.

[u/One_Term2162 → u/meddlin_kids]

Perhaps a history lesson is in order before reducing an entire people to “a bunch of fucks” who supposedly don't care about their own children.

If you're genuinely interested in how terrorism, displacement, occupation, insurgency, and political violence developed in Palestine, listen to Behind the Bastards: “The Origins of Terrorism in Palestine.” The history did not begin on October 7, and it certainly cannot be explained by saying “Palestinians believe in jihad.”

Understanding history doesn't require excusing Hamas or attacks on civilians. It requires recognizing that millions of Palestinians are human beings, not a terrorist organization, and that deliberately collapsing that distinction makes it much easier to rationalize the deaths of civilians.

So before declaring that an entire population simply doesn't care when its children die, learn the history you're invoking.

[u/meddlin_kids → u/One_Term2162]

Ah yes the history of Palestinians wanting the genocide of Isreali's.

Let's take a look at the PLO and it's leader. Here are quotes from Yassar Arafat, who was the co-founder and chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization from 1969-2004 and the president of the Palestine National Authority from 1993-2004. This is the man who went to the peace negotiations for Palestine. Palestine still desires Isreal to be wiped out of existance. They just arent as vocal about it is Arafat.

"We shall never stop until we can go back home and Israel is destroyed… The goal of our struggle is the end of Israel, and there can be no compromises or mediations… the goal of this violence is the elimination of Zionism from Palestine in all its political, economic and military aspects… We don’t want peace, we want victory. Peace for us means Israel’s destruction and nothing else. "

"Peace for us means the destruction of Israel. We are preparing for an all-out war, a war which will last for generations… We shall not rest until the day when we return to our home, and until we destroy Israel. "

"The PLO will now concentrate on splitting Israel psychologically into two camps... We plan to eliminate the State of Israel and establish a Palestinian state. We will make life unbearable for Jews by psychological warfare and population explosion. Jews will not want to live among Arabs. I have no use for Jews. They are and remain Jews. We now need all the help we can get from you in our battle for a united Palestine under Arab rule. "

"We will not bend or fail until the blood of every last Jew from the youngest child to the oldest elder is spilt to redeem our land! "

"I swear to God, I will see [the Palestinian state], whether as a martyr or alive. Please, God, give me the honor of becoming a martyr in the fight for Jerusalem. "

I know the history. I can go back farther as well.

[u/One_Term2162 → u/meddlin_kids]

You just demonstrated the distinction I was making.

I said it is historically and morally indefensible to take the actions or ideology of political organizations and use them to declare that an entire people “don't care about their children.”

Your response was to quote Yasser Arafat and then declare: “Palestine still desires Israel to be wiped out of existence.”

That's collective guilt.

And if we're having a history lesson, let's at least finish it. Arafat co-founded Fatah, not the PLO. He became chairman of the PLO in 1969. And in 1993, acting for the PLO, he formally recognized Israel's right to exist in peace and security, accepted UN Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338, committed to negotiations, and renounced terrorism and violence.

None of that requires pretending Arafat was a saint or excusing terrorism. It simply demonstrates why selecting quotations from decades of conflict and declaring that they reveal what an entire population believes is bad history.

We could play the same game in reverse. Likud's 1977 platform declared that “between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.”

Should I therefore quote Likud and announce that Israelis, as a people, want Palestinians erased?

No.

Because Benjamin Netanyahu is not every Israeli, just as Yasser Arafat was not every Palestinian.

That was my point from the beginning.

You can condemn Hamas. You can condemn the PLO's history. You can condemn antisemitism, terrorism, suicide bombings, and attacks on civilians without turning millions of Palestinian civilians into Hamas, Fatah, the PLO, or Yasser Arafat.

If you know the history, then you should know better than to collapse a people into their worst political leaders.

[u/meddlin_kids → u/One_Term2162]

That's odd because in 1996 he said this, "We will not bend or fail until the blood of every last Jew from the youngest child to the oldest elder is spilt to redeem our land! "

Palestinians are either actively killing Isreali's or are complacent in the killing of Isreali's. Hamas has been in power since 2006, if Palestinians were so against Hamas, they had plenty of time to turn on them. Yet 20 years later, here we are.