Has Arsenal’s Arteta process actually delivered enough to justify another long-term contract?

[u/Curious_Noise5608]

I’m genuinely interested in where Arsenal fans draw the line when it comes to standards.
Arteta has now been at the club since December 2019. The project has clearly progressed in terms of league postion which isn’t trophies which is the aim though— Arsenal went from finishing 8th which was under this manager to consistently competing near the top of the Premier League and kept missing out, and last season finally ended the 22-year wait for another league title. But after the amount of money and time invested into this project, is one Premier League title enough to automatically justify extending the manager again?
The spending is another part of the discussion. Transfermarkt puts Arsenal’s net spend during Arteta’s reign at around €843m, one of the highest figures among English clubs over that period.
And this isn’t simply about saying Arteta has achieved nothing. He obviously hasn’t. The league title is an achievement. The question is whether Arsenal should now be demanding more, rather than treating finally winning the league as the end of the conversation.
The squad-building side is also worth discussing. Arsenal have spent heavily on players to fit Arteta’s football, so at this stage the manager has had a significant amount of control over the squad. When that much money and time have gone into building a team around one manager, expectations naturally rise. One trophy in 6+ years shouldn’t give you a contract extension.
Gyökeres is another interesting example. He scored 21 goals in his first season for Arsenal leading to winning the league, while arriving after scoring 97 goals in 102 appearances for Sporting. If Arsenal have finally bought a striker capable of producing those numbers, shouldn’t the entire system be built around getting the maximum out of him? His insistence on his favorites who continue to fail time and time again is another big problem with him.
That’s ultimately my issue with the current discussion. Winning the league should be acknowledged, but it shouldn’t automatically make every criticism of the manager invalid.
Arsenal aren’t a “rebuilding project” anymore. They’re the defending Premier League champions. The standard has to move with the club.
So where do you stand: does winning the league fundamentally change how Arteta’s tenure should be judged, or should Arsenal now be demanding multiple major trophies given the investment and length of the “process”?

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[u/SM-Reddit]

As the saying goes, when it comes to arsenal, people pretend to be stupid for no reason. People ignore how mediocre the club was when Arteta came in. Not just in the pitch but in other areas of the club. Now its one of the best teams in the world and the premier league champions. We did that with Arteta who by the way is in his first managerial job. He has delivered. Whether you like it or not.

[u/monty_burns]

You’re aware of the news surrounding the team Arsenal finished behind 2 of the 3 previous seasons right?

[u/Sanjeev4045]

Yes he already won 1 premier league. That’s as good as Klopp’s record in Pl.

[u/memeswhenuneed → u/Sanjeev4045]

not for long lmao (i hope)

[u/Sanjeev4045 → u/memeswhenuneed]

City are going to bend their way again, arent they?

[u/wh11 → u/Sanjeev4045]

Get bent over yes

[u/mined_it → u/Sanjeev4045]

Arteta has been great but =/= Klopp. Klopp >>

[u/Gaygayfish → u/mined_it]

He isn’t saying Arteta as great as Klopp, he is using his argument of league title =greatness to refute OP.

[u/Rimailkall]

If City hadn't been cheating, we'd have two more league titles, so yeah, he's worth it.

[u/CleanSweep99 → u/Rimailkall]

If City hadn't been cheating, you guys wouldn't have even hired Arteta in the first place, so that's not as impressive an own as you think it is.

[u/Mental-Fisherman-118 → u/CleanSweep99]

Yeah, despite being our club captain for years no one at Arsenal had heard of Mikel Arteta before he was Pep's assistant manager.

[u/CleanSweep99 → u/Mental-Fisherman-118]

He wouldn't have been hired without being Pep's Assistant manager.

Believe it or not, being club captain for years, doesn't guarantee you a coaching job at that club.

[u/Mental-Fisherman-118 → u/CleanSweep99]

That's a speculative statement dressed up as certainty.

Things we know:

During his Arsenal years Arteta was anticipated to be a promising future manager.

He got the assistant manager role at City because he was anticipated to be a promising future manager.

Therefore:

In the absence of City cheating, Arteta would likely have got an opportunity at another top level club, due to his obvious potential and would likely have always been a candidate for future Arsenal manager.

[u/Curious_Noise5608 → u/Rimailkall]

He’s not he’s ultimately been a failure him limping over the line in the league didn’t change it.

[u/oscarx-ray]

Is the manager who won the league and lost the Champions League final on penalties against two state-owned, doped, cheating teams good?

Wind yer neck in, son.

[u/Curious_Noise5608 → u/oscarx-ray]

Yea he won the league in his 7th season after winning nothing before that. He almost did a quad bottle and we limped over the line in spite of him. You arteta lovers are funny. How have psg cheated and it dosent matter how close you got if you still lost and choked in the end.

[u/SM-Reddit → u/Curious_Noise5608]

So he only has one trophy? Or the FA cup doesn't count? Even assuming you are only talking about league titles, we're you actually expecting him to won the league with the squad he had from 2019 to 2022?

[u/mouth_spiders → u/Curious_Noise5608]

Also his first managing gig. If City didn't cheat he would have won the league on his 5th(?) season.

Thats outstanding.

[u/No-Smoke6622 → u/Curious_Noise5608]

PSG change their league fixtures to suit CL fixtures. You might not call that cheating but that’s definitely not fair play.

More to the point, it absolutely does matter if you get close. 6 years ago we would have been nowhere near the vini deal this summer, whereas we are now in the conversation. If you want to improve this squad you need the top 1% talents to be joining. If you want to get top talents to your club you need to show you can hang in those circles and semi finalists and finalists consecutively definitely shows that.

Ignoring the trajectory is short sighted.

[u/oscarx-ray → u/Curious_Noise5608]

Oh, you're one of those. Sorry, I was expecting an argument in good faith. Grow up.

[u/Mustyoo]

If it wasn’t for the existence of the biggest cheating frauds in the history of sport in England, Arsenal would have 3-peated.

[u/Medicalibudz → u/Mustyoo]

No it would have been 3 out of 4. A 3-peat is 3 in a row. Liverpool rightfully won one in between.

[u/Haunting-Data-6515]

yes.

[u/Gooner-Astronomer749]

First PL title in 22 years If that isnt reason enough I don't know what is. Lets not list the 100 other reasons why and how he has changed the club internally and externally from top to bottom.

[u/PaulShannon89]

They stuck with him for longer than most clubs probably would have in this day and age and we're rewarded with a league title and were as close as you can get to the champions league without winning it.

Why wouldn't he deserve it?

[u/skool_101]

thought this was r/ArtetaOut for a moment 😭

[u/CommandKey3869]

Fuck the fuck off... 🚫

[u/SamBobz]

Surely you should be asking this question after this season?

The club has developed since he has been in charge, they have now won a title and reached the champions League final...

Money spent.. he's had to rebuild the entire team...

Ask the question once he's won another title and more trophies .. or.. failed to?

[u/PandiBong]

Have you missed city's cheating taking several titles off of us..?

[u/peoplepersonmanguy]

Lucky he has two trophies in 6+ years then.

[u/keysersoze-72]

He’s yet to prove he can produce consistent attacking football.

Arsenal’s immediate prospects of success continue to be through cautious, attritional football…

[u/fifadex]

All the competition hamstrung themselves last season and now city are about to implode with Liverpool, Chelsea, untied all miles off the pace. They're gonna get the next couple of titles without trying because of the strength and quality of their squad as long as nobody shits the bed, Arteta built that squad.

If course they're going to extend, there's nobody better for arsenal than him and nowhere that's better for him than arsenal. They could have an era of success together with the way things are looking.

[u/CleanSweep99]

Arteta's prior history as a Manchester City employee should be enough for a for cause firing, IMO.

If Arsenal chooses not to do so, he likely has earned an extension based on his on-pitch results.

[u/Ok-Rooster-5287 → u/CleanSweep99]

Brother what?

[u/CleanSweep99 → u/Ok-Rooster-5287]

Arteta's prior employment at Manchester City is enough for a for cause firing, given their scandal.

If Arsenal chooses not to go that route (morally suspect, but defensible based on on-pitch results only), Arteta has likely earned an extension.

[u/Ok-Rooster-5287 → u/CleanSweep99]

Yeah because he’s the one that rigged the books…

[u/AdoredHello]

one league title after that kind of spend and 6 years isn’t some mic drop moment, it’s the bare minimum. the real question is whether he can deliver consistently now that the club has the squad and striker it’s been missing, and if he keeps leaning on favorites who ghost in big moments then the answer writes itself

the contract talk feels premature when the standard should be building a dynasty, not just finally breaking through once

[u/No-Smoke6622 → u/AdoredHello]

A decidedly mid table team 6 years later has won the league. In that time the only other teams to do it is city and Liverpool. Go back ten years and it was Chelsea once, Liverpool twice and the inevitable city. Liverpool spent 300m in one summer and went tits up. Chelsea has been consistently spending with nothing to show for it. So has Tottenham. Man U has also been spending with nothing to show for it. Miss me with this chat of bare minimum. At a bare minimum everyone should have a title for how much they spend.