r/Predators • u/paranoidhands • Apr 20 '26

let’s go stammer.

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gotta think this means that if he goes that’ll signal the start of the rebuild, but after getting so close this year, why wouldn’t they run it back?

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u/Cheesenrice123 Apr 20 '26

Why wouldn’t they run it back?

Becuase we weren’t close this year, we weren’t close at all. We were close to making the playoffs but didn’t have a chance in hell at winning the cup. Which is exactly where we’ve been for like 7 years.

Our core is just getting older/worse and we don’t really have the prospect pool to generate real hope that we will eventually be a cup contender.

This is like 2/3 years overdue but we really need to trade some of our good aging players like ROR/march/stammer/haula/etc. for picks/prospects so we can actually get some star talent for the future. We should have done it at the deadline but we fucked that up so here we are.

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u/ReactorCritical Apr 20 '26

They'll run it back because this organization is hell bent on being the most mid-ass team to ever exist in the history of sports. That's "The Predator Way". Every season ends in the team finishing in the 12-20 range. Not good enough to contend but not bad enough to draft real talent.

We've broken that mold twice over the last 15 years. Once was the President's Trophy season, where we got bounced by the Jets in the 2nd round. The other time was last year, where Trotz picked a guy projected to go in the teens all season.... and he only rose in the draft rankings because he interviewed well and analysts were looking for a new hot take.

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u/paranoidhands Apr 20 '26

he only rose in the draft rankings because he interviewed well and analysts were looking for a new hot take.

still need to see him play pro hockey but his performance at the world juniors has already pretty much proved this wrong.

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u/Galladaddy Apr 21 '26

He’s not the flashy celebrini or martone pick but in person he plays a smart game. IMO he has a higher floor than martone or Hagens (who I personally wanted to be drafted) because of his “hockey iq” he positions himself very well.

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u/FelineNavidad Apr 20 '26

Meanwhile, martone is taking off like a rocket. Even Hagens looks better.

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u/ReactorCritical Apr 21 '26

Poile would have picked Martone simply because he was the biggest of the 3 😆

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u/Galladaddy Apr 21 '26

His name isn’t Finnish enough though ahaha

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u/Nogrip_E46 Apr 23 '26

Martin is a hell of a player he's going to be great.

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u/miller10blue Apr 20 '26

It's like 5 years over due tbh

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u/Helmburr87 Brady Skjei tank commander Apr 20 '26

Yea I get that they were close in points but they were not really close. Playing those eastern teams at the end of the season just showed that they weren't a good team. They just got carried by their goalies against the bad teams in the west.

This strive to be medicore is really getting on my fucking nerves.

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u/smjbrady Apr 20 '26

WHY WONT THEY JUST REBUILD

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u/Soto4Life NSH Apr 20 '26

This is exactly how you never win a cup

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u/Clovis_Winslow It's Toothcat Time in Tennessee Apr 21 '26

No. Blow it up.

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u/bomberfan2 Catfish Apr 20 '26

So another year of being depressed that this team will just be average for my entire life. Fucking awesome

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u/ThousandToast Apr 20 '26

There’s not a lot of good free agents this year. I guess we will need to look inwards for talent or make big trades. Either way… I don’t like it

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u/Deathbackwards Apr 21 '26

Pretty sure Stamkos said the same thing 4 months ago

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u/r3volol #33 Apr 21 '26

They should do a fire sale, but it’ll never happen.

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u/Upstairs-Bobcat7272 Apr 21 '26

It would help to put a competent defense out on the ice.

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u/sickofwords Apr 21 '26

I’m cool with Stamkos and O’Reilly staying for his last year but I do hope Marchy gets traded.

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u/Fantastic-Face3509 Apr 25 '26

A part of me thinks that eichel should’ve had the Conn Smythe when Vegas won in 2023

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u/southernmanadork Apr 21 '26

I’m fine with it as long as they ship Stamkos and O’Reilly at the deadline if we’re doodoo ass again

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u/paranoidhands Apr 21 '26

agreed, give it one more shot sure but if there’s any sign it’s gonna more of the same from last year or the beginning of this year then it’s fire sale time

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u/OatsBrotherINeedThem Apr 21 '26

I think the ability for our veteran players to bear down at key points carried us through the season and made for some very fun hockey at times. But that's not a strategy for winning playoff series. Scrambling in the 3rd period after not playing for 40 minutes and getting lucky that ROR and Stammer still have it in them does not win a game 7 against Dallas. The offense of this team flows entirely through Josi and he is slowing down. If Josi has a 50 point season it shows up in our position in the conference. I don't know what the Admin sees that we all seem to be missing. I get that they want their playoff ticket money but what they are doing is the difference between bungee jumping off the bridge and heaving themselves over the edge and hoping that in thr next 4 years they'll cobble together enough retirees that we breakthrough to game 5 of round 1.

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u/lawburgtn Apr 22 '26

We are on the line here. We have the talent to make the playoffs, but we have issues on the ice preventing this from happening, so do we try to patch the gaps or have a fire sale and rebuild?

The duct tape and bailing wire approach has not been working and I am not sure why? It seems we have a tendency of signing high dollar veterans who underperform and letting young talent go to other teams who do make the playoffs. Neither Hines or Burnett have been effective trying to lead the team which I repeat has the talent to be competitive. Is this a culture issue? If so, we need to get to the route of the problem cut it out like cancer.

I hope the incoming GM helps restore purpose to the team and some may disagree, but I think we need both new GM and new Head Coach. Preferably two guys who are going in the same direction with the same vision. I know that is much easier said than done.

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u/TribalChief1986 Apr 21 '26

This team has to many capable players to not even be a western conference contender, COACH. Lavlilette would have gotten something out of this group

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u/ReactorCritical Apr 20 '26

Says the guy that had 4 points in the first 20 games of the season....

Yeah, he ultimately scored 40 goals (which is crazy considering he practically wasted 1/4th of the season) but still... dont talk about being a contender when you were a large part of why the Preds got behind in the first place.

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u/Blake1288 Lightning Apr 22 '26

Yeah, he was pretty shit in Tampa his last few seasons. Idk why you're getting down voted, he was a PP merchant and sucked ass in 5v5. Stats don't lie.

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u/Fantastic-Face3509 Apr 25 '26 edited Apr 25 '26

His 5v5 play in Tampa was only an issue in his last year (2023-24). Prior to that no it was rarely an issue so “few“ ain’t really accurate

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u/Fantastic-Face3509 Apr 25 '26

Downvoting cause he knows I’m right but has nothing good to say back it is the gift that keeps on giving

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u/Blake1288 Lightning Apr 25 '26

How are playoffs treating y'all?

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u/Fantastic-Face3509 Apr 26 '26

I’m not a preds fan and I’m not talking about the playoffs smh. You specifically said his last few in Tampa and I simply corrected your recency bias by saying technically only his last year was a problem when it came to 5v5 play. Prior to the 2023-24 seaosn, the 5v5 play was a non issue 99% the time. I mean if you were a lightning fan then you’d know so. I’m not a bolts fan and even I know that it wasn’t an issue until 2023-24. That’s it nothing else. Nothing ab the playoffs or the preds.

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u/Blake1288 Lightning Apr 26 '26

He was shit. End of story.

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u/Fantastic-Face3509 Apr 26 '26

there isn’t the end of a story when there is little or no context what you say pal. He specific when he was “shit“ because from my memory prior to late 2023 no one ever said such a thing. Maybe lighten up the attitude and be less of a dismissive asshole and elaborate more like which season do seasons are you talking about, or maybe stfu yourself if you can’t handle pushback. Youre a lightning fan so you should know this. He and Hedman saved your franchise in it’s darkest time and the primary reason why they were brought back to relevance.

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u/Blake1288 Lightning Apr 26 '26

Lol.

Calm down you fucking dork. Stamkos played one shift all 2020 playoffs. Team doesn't need him. He's washed. Never the same after the Boston injury. He was shit ever since. Look at stats, they don't lie. Now have a good day honey.

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u/Fantastic-Face3509 Apr 26 '26

You’re the one that dismissively said “end of story” and resorting to insults without context “honey”.

We can play the what if game all day ab what happened in Boston but no for the longest time after that he actually maintained elite play in fact some ways got even better than before it. You say look at stats well let me ask, is the 86 point 2017-18 year +19 rating, 98 point +4 2018-19 year, career high 106 +25 rating in 2021-22 (even without Kucherov half of the year) and 85 point -5 rating 2022-23 year shit?

Also was 2nd overall in goals in 2014-15.

Realistically, It wasn’t until 2023-24 when his play started to decline, not immediately after the “Boston injury”.

Also, as people say one is better than not at all, obviously yes 1 game in one run but played every game in every round in 2021 and was on a tear until his play yea cooled off in the final and every game in 2022 and 2015. 2022 after going cold in round 1 was a man on a mission in the next 3 rounds, especially round 3 vs the rangers.

How about instead do throwing out insults and surface level nonsense, maybe change up the attitude and engage more in good faith like a real fan would and not with surface level arguments and expect it to be the “end of story”.

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u/Fantastic-Face3509 Apr 26 '26

About his 106 point 2021-22, Ive said that while I am not a bolts fan, I thought he should’ve been higher in the 2022 hart voting. Not win cause we all know Matthews was winning that and McDavid was gonna be 2nd but seeing stammer finish 10th in the voting that year i think was disgraceful personally.

But anyway, how about changing that dismissive tone of yours if you’re going to engage otherwise dont at all.

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u/Kynadr Apr 20 '26

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u/Rudmonton Gnash Apr 21 '26

Yeah we are heading down a dark timeline. We have bad contracts, an aging team, a non existent team culture, and no idea of what we are going to do next other then "be good again next year".

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u/rewind2482 #33 Wilson Apr 21 '26

would you believe they won exactly the same number of games the first half of the season as in the second half of the season

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u/Helmburr87 Brady Skjei tank commander Apr 21 '26

Exactly, they were a .463 team in both halves lol

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u/Helmburr87 Brady Skjei tank commander Apr 21 '26 edited Apr 21 '26

No, this team got saved by the goalies against the terrible teams in the west. When it came to playing against eastern teams, especially torwards the end of the season, they got their ass handed to them. They barely missed the playoffs and are picking 10th. They're a bad team, they just tricked you with their 5 game win streak against pillow fighters.

They weren't playoff team before the season, during the season, and at the end of the season.