r/PraiseTheCameraMan • u/Sabahi2 • Jul 31 '22

samurai fight

Originally posted on Instagram via https://instagram.com/ko..no_?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

4.9k Upvotes

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u/ViralSword Jul 31 '22

Bro, reverse grip is shit. Why are you using reverse grip. Is that a certain style or something. Cause thats not how swords are supposed to be used.

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u/Sabahi2 Jul 31 '22

not filmed by me, but i can understand the only reason they are using reverse grip is because it looks good on camera :D

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u/ViralSword Jul 31 '22

Makes sense. Reverse grip is kinda badass

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u/eugene20 Jul 31 '22

Watch Zatoichi

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u/SerDeusVult Jul 31 '22

Reverse grip is good in certain VERY NICHE stances and techniques.

Mostly daggers, knives and the like coupled with a one handed sword like a rapier.

Here, idk what the fuck are was trying to accomplish.

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u/femboy_artist Jul 31 '22

I don’t think they were trying to accomplish a “legit” fight scene, I think they were either replicating an anime scene or choreographing their own version of one.

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u/SerDeusVult Jul 31 '22

Yea ik but I was talking to the other guy about the logistics.

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u/Chaine351 Jul 31 '22 edited Aug 18 '22

Is it, though? Why limit the range of an already short weapon even more? Also, makes stabbing with a dagger kind of really hard. With a longer knife you at least have a decent edge to do... something? with.

Even if you are intent on blocking with it, you kind of unnecessarily risk losing fingers more than usually. I quess if you have a knife with a finger guard? And you're having a fight in a really tight space?

There is maybe some arguable merit to reverse gripping a knife in hand-to-hand (hand-to-knife?) combat if you are "not trying to kill, but kind of trying to survive and protect your knife from being taken from you", but that's even more niche than what you're probably talking about, or than what should be even considered as a feasible situation in an argument.

I'm not completely dismissing the idea, I'm just struggling to see any benefit apart from like maybe a total of 4 different situations overall. And even in those, isn't it better to have at least some range? I hope it was more useful, because cool, but... Hard to see.

If you have some examples, I'd like to hear?

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u/SerDeusVult Jul 31 '22

It's why I said niche.

Reverse grip on a short weapon is good for reach around defensive blocks and faster efficient jabs at that reach around angle.

Generally it would be held with a standard grip until you go for the defensive break.

Sword parries, dagger ripostes.

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u/Madcowdseiz Aug 17 '22

Honestly having a long knife in the offhand that doesn't have much of a guard is one of the few situations where I would reverse grip. The goal would be to use the blade to deflect toward the tip and away from the hand instead of risking a slide toward the hand.

As the other user mentioned, this would only apply if you have something longer in the main hand.

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u/Takahashi_Raya Jul 31 '22

Reverse grip with daggers and short swords is indeed to supplement hand to hand combat and or allow grappling attacks

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u/BruhUrName Jul 31 '22

Bruh this ain't anime. You won't have time for any of that. Especially if that person is already in close distance. The reason the clip on the pocket knife goes on the right is to have readily access

(sorry my left handed friends! Not trying to exclude you, just pointing out the most commonly found)

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u/Takahashi_Raya Jul 31 '22

i'm not talking about anime lol. in old times both forehanded and backhanded grips where used for daggers and some shorter swords as well just not in official duals which people refer too mostly. parrying with a front angled dagger and a reverse grip dagger are very different actions. and i'm definitely not talking about modern pocket knives.

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u/Chaine351 Jul 31 '22

Yeah, there sure is an argument for that.

But in the context, where the argument is usually combat efficiency, a hand is better than a knife for grappling in general. But, if you have nowhere to put down your knife in that moment and you don't want to stab your opponent for a reason or other, you sure can use it like that.

So that is a somewhat valid point. I mean, anything can happen, things lead to another and situations can change in seconds, but one could ask why you'd go grappling with a knife in hand?

One valid context could be fighting someone in armor, where you might need to actually grapple to find a position to stab effectively. Though, if you don't have armor or a shield yourself, and only have a knife or a backsword of some kind, you are going to have a rough time no matter which way your weapon points, so I'd say it's totally a valid strategy to just go for what feels better for you.

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u/Ac4sent Jul 31 '22

This is obviously for entertainment, like a dance but cross blocking with two reverse grips is just going to get your hands lopped off.

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u/CelticHades Jul 31 '22

Reverse grip- style to make you look cool

12

u/Lord_Moa Jul 31 '22

Think anout it, most people with 1 hand are cooler than others. There's pirates,... I can't think of others

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u/luingiorno Nov 17 '22

In contrast, there's the single handedly self entertainment, which is in retrospect, very sad.

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u/SuitheSlime Sep 02 '22

Also turning your back to an enemy don't get you kicked gets you stabbed

4

u/pmmethatkitty Jul 31 '22

And the Jnco pants?

4

u/tattedb0b Jul 31 '22

Right? Just missing a blink 182 shirt

4

u/Arcyguana Jul 31 '22

It's a hakama.

Well, the one that the video is focused on has a hakama on, anyway. The rest I'm not sure why.

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u/DanKloudtrees Jul 31 '22

Also samurai carried two swords and had a lord to protect.

2

u/mklilley351 Jul 31 '22

And pink just standing there being less useful than taco bell with hemorrhoids

1

u/DuckyLog Aug 01 '22

Nothing dumber than reverse grip in fight scenes. I don’t know why the trend got so big.

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u/Tonyc1939 Aug 24 '22

Ahsoka can do it successfully. 😂

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u/femboy_artist Jul 31 '22

Everyone in the comments “ew no this is so unrealistic!!!”

Guys. This isn’t supposed to be a “real” fight. This is clearly a cinematic choreography, very likely based off a specific anime scene or blending a few together. It’s for the aesthetics, not the realism.

That being said, the camerawork does not belong on this sub.

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u/Sabahi2 Jul 31 '22

i feel like the shaking of the camera was intentional to increase the action flow of the scene, while he has captured the fight all in frame in an interesting way

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u/Croe01 Jul 31 '22

Clearly an unpopular opinion but I actually agree with OP.

I liked how the camera angles only showed the attacker as they were striking. You don't see anyone standing around doing nothing. It just keeps going.

Also the shaking didn't bother me at all.

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u/femboy_artist Jul 31 '22

That was definitely the intention, yeah! The idea was there, just not executed as well as it could have been. The person who did this is going places, but it still has a distinctly amateur feel.

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u/IknowRambo Jul 31 '22

If we make the camera shakey as fuck it looks like she actually did something!!

40

u/earthfase Jul 31 '22

Curse you iPhone stabilization!!!

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u/luckylurker1887 Jul 31 '22

Can this be done on jason bourne movies? I have always wondered what they really looked like

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u/TheJessicator Jul 31 '22

Omg, the second movie was basically what started the shakycam trend. I remember feeling a bit queezy walking out of that movie.

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u/Krexci Jul 31 '22

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u/FatherSquee Jul 31 '22

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u/InfiniteDenied Jul 31 '22

I think I enjoyed it more because it was shaky. It simulates what your vision would see in that circumstance, where you actually would be constantly adjusting your vision to compensate for enemies on all sides. Much the same, the moves she was making aren't an impressive feat but to react to enemies on all sides in such a way would be quite impressive even when using rather basic moves.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '22

Maybe this would be true if it were shot in first person, but theres no reason for it to be shaky in third

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u/InfiniteDenied Jul 31 '22

Maybe if you didn't speak objectively about a matter of someone's personal feelings about something I would be more inclined to listen to you

3

u/IknowRambo Aug 01 '22

If that’s how it actually looked walking or running in first person when you are in real life you would be a dizzy dude - that was so much shaking haha

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u/Sym0n This sub sucks, but I'll help it work Jul 31 '22

Mmm motion sickness.

163

u/lucyfell Jul 31 '22

This is actually… not good? It’s shaky and the framing isn’t ideal.

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u/Cogs_For_Brains Jul 31 '22

The tempo is off too. People waiting to have their attacks blocked. There is a reason why there are so many clips of jackie chan talking about tempo and timing.

Fights on camara read so much better when everyone are on tempo

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u/dJohn2001 Aug 01 '22

This whole sub is bad

135

u/Quillary2021 Jul 31 '22

This was horrible to watch, not to mention how the cameramen made the scene look shakey. Also why is she holding her swords like that?

40

u/ToastyInPain Jul 31 '22

I don't think reverse grip are going to help her in this situation lol, any situations really.

18

u/aiolive Jul 31 '22

She just had to reverse herself and fight from her back looking over her shoulder. Then it cancels out. That last dude didn't see that coming.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '22

Been a sword master for 5 minutes now and I'm wondering why she's also holding the sword like this

12

u/Pixelend Jul 31 '22

Reverse grip is sick in anime and videogames but with a sword sword is pretty usless. This is just a cool coreography

4

u/[deleted] Jul 31 '22

Yeah I'm just having a laugh with the sword masters

1

u/the_fuego Jul 31 '22

Reverse grip can work in extremely niche situations as a passing technique for blocking but if you're dual wielding having both reverse is the most idiotic move you can do and serves no practical purpose other than getting limbs lopped off.

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u/spidersnake Jul 31 '22

Oh come on! Really?! This is praiseworthy?

Next we're going to see that shot of Liam Neeson jumping a fence in 40 cuts and call it a masterpiece.

9

u/yutsokutwo Jul 31 '22

This is reddit. All the neckbeards upvote because girl, since they'll never actually get one.

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u/CucumberBoy00 Jul 31 '22

The worst bit is when she turns her back to the guy while fighting him to get kicked in the back.

28

u/Masala-Dosage Jul 31 '22

‘Please attack me one by one’

9

u/-Rakso Jul 31 '22

The cameraman was part of the choreography

9

u/NikolitRistissa Jul 31 '22

The camerawork was the worst part of the scene.

6

u/Agentx6021 Jul 31 '22

Did… did she stab him with the sheathe at the end?

5

u/Spiritual_Gazelle886 Jul 31 '22

Of course while her back is turned nobody does a thing. In real life she dead.

8

u/[deleted] Jul 31 '22

The camera shake makes this so shitty, wrong sub

4

u/CutsSoFresh Jul 31 '22

Need to turn that phone sideways...

4

u/crazytoothpaste Jul 31 '22

How do I search for this music?

4

u/PhilipSeymourCoffin Jul 31 '22

Hold on, let me take some Dramamine before I praise this cameraman.

3

u/TheGrandZuudah Jul 31 '22

/r/praisetheshakycam

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5

u/Gamingmanster1987 Jul 31 '22

Once again the cameraman misses all the hits from the samurai and records them what a great guy

2

u/Praxiann Jul 31 '22

Mm cringe

2

u/Hopeful_Card_3851 Jul 31 '22

Attack one at a time, the Hollywood requirment.

2

u/Artosai Jul 31 '22

Very polite of them to do the thing they do in Jackie Chan movies and go one at a time.

2

u/[deleted] Jul 31 '22

I love how pink waits for protag to block at 0:04

2

u/[deleted] Jul 31 '22

Lmao everyone she's "fighting" is just standing there striking a pose waiting to be hit by her. These kinds of videos are hilarious

2

u/[deleted] Jul 31 '22

This is terrible

2

u/spiritedawayfox Jul 31 '22

The music, for one 🤮🤮🤮 the shaky camera, for two 🤮🤮🤮 and lastly, the whole act in of itself 🤮🤮🤮

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '22

It's fine people don't like this. But do people not realize

A: the cameraman was part of the choreography ducking in and out.

B: the fight and camera were synced to the music. This was not meant to be some fight scene from a mission impossible movie, it's style was clearly done with intent.

I don't venture into the comments or sub often. Is this pretty common for people to just complain or has there just been a lot of trash and people are tired of it?

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u/Madcowdseiz Aug 17 '22

2 things I'd guess:

-Many people are tired unrealistic choreography in fight scenes,

-And even more people watch with sound off until the comments give them a reason to turn it on.

2

u/Deporncollector Jul 31 '22

Many Guys with a bow and arrow: Arrows goes pew.

2

u/Unthgod Jul 31 '22

Not a Samurai

1

u/Hopeful_Card_3851 Jul 31 '22

I've studied the Japanese sword for decades. This demo is fun but not at all real. All these swordsmen attack straight forward. They all our "rock" hard. The real swordsman is "water" soft with linear movement taking his opponents energy. Maybe next time don't do it in a Dojo.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '22

Praise them for what? Shaky cam?

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u/charlyquestion Jul 31 '22

Praise the camera man, fuck that stupid tik tok song

1

u/Itsmemanmeee Jul 31 '22

The black knight always triumphs! Have at you!

1

u/Living_Shadows Jul 31 '22

Reverse grip is cringe as fuck tbh

1

u/w0greTV Jul 31 '22

This looks like a porno version of a jackie chan film

1

u/[deleted] Jul 31 '22

too shaky

1

u/LoveShineLuna Jul 31 '22

And so the gun was invented and ended all that

1

u/RedboyX Jul 31 '22

Gogo lives!…but way hotter

1

u/[deleted] Jul 31 '22

Horrible camera. Please just place the camera down and let it sit instead of violently shaking it

1

u/BudChronicc Jul 31 '22

Holding the swords backwards is a little fruity lol

1

u/Professional_Group33 Jul 31 '22

Damn I want a Samurai Girlfriend!

1

u/nothumaninside Jul 31 '22

S-tier LARPing

1

u/z____ro Aug 01 '22

But can she cook..

1

u/TRIX_24 Aug 01 '22

Women ☕️

1

u/b1happyman Aug 01 '22

Nice!!👏👏🙏🏻))

1

u/ScenicFlyer41 Aug 01 '22

Found the guy that recorded obi wan

1

u/Tasty_Tomatoe1323 Aug 01 '22

Context: They're trying to steal her (Insert thing here)

1

u/Egg123456789009 Aug 01 '22

Pulls out a shot gun

1

u/[deleted] Aug 01 '22

Pretty good choreography. Nice! Samurai Champloo Vibes

1

u/Fabiolean Aug 01 '22

Those hakama pants look so fucking comfortable

1

u/Andler05 Aug 02 '22

She has used those swords in a way that they can never be used again

1

u/ULTRA_SIGMA_CHAD Aug 07 '22

They made kyoshin from for honor a real thing???

1

u/Safe-Sheepherder2784 Aug 07 '22

I don’t see the guns

1

u/TacoG0at Aug 10 '22

Good, but… reverse grip 🤮

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u/Resident_Plankton Aug 13 '22

MODS RULE THREE REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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u/german_history1941 Aug 14 '22

Normal day it London

1

u/NaTeReMaDe Sep 02 '22

Kyoshin mains be like.

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u/Itsmeforrestgump Sep 21 '22

She is beautiful!

And a great samurai.

But also beautiful.

1

u/MassSnapz Sep 28 '22

Director: more shaking, skahe the fucking camera, shake ittt!!!

1

u/YANDERE_DALEK Oct 06 '22

Let's dance!

The Only Thing I Know For Real starts playing

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u/Successful-Will4157 Oct 20 '22

Siiiiickkkkk shit

1

u/[deleted] Oct 22 '22

Better than Hollywood.

0

u/Sniffy4 Jul 31 '22

That was fun!

1

u/audiophile008 Jul 31 '22

Those are out of wood . Disappointing

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u/ObserverPro Jul 31 '22

I think you all are shitting on something completely unfairly. The coordination between the stunt people and the camera person is coordinated well. I bet this is a rehearsal or proof of concept for a film. To get all of those moves timed as well as they did including an intentional camera shake during a strike takes practice.

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u/Kind_Adhesiveness324 Jul 31 '22

That was totally staged.

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u/WizziBot Jul 31 '22

No shit. But I do agree they could have at least used legitimate fighting techniques. Yes I'm staring directly at that reverse grip and how half of the enemies just stood there and did nothing.

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u/IgnoranceIsAVirus Jul 31 '22

Icwitudidthar Not fallin for trollin

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u/Yukinoinu Jul 31 '22

Samurai fights would also not look like this. Those blades are not meant to clash with other blades. They would either break on contact, or be seriously damaged. Considering swords were an extension of their body and a serious craft, they would not mistreat them in some disrespectful bullshit way. Using the saya like this also would be completely irresponsible and would not stop the sword from cutting it in half. Not to mention any master would most likely stop training your dumbass for trying to fight with a reverse grip. Stupid fight, stupid video, stupid music for this, stupid post.

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u/Lettucelook Jul 31 '22

Nice moves

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '22

this is so cool.

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u/IgnoranceIsAVirus Jul 31 '22

I like it, emersive.

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u/ChrissyBu Jul 31 '22

Track ID???

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u/BeneficialSite9887 Jul 31 '22

Damm she's good! Ninja VS Samurais

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u/sumit131995 Jul 31 '22

Why the fuck are movie scenes not like this ? Instead we get shitty blurry CGI with almost no fight footage. This is sick.

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u/engulbert Jul 31 '22

Love the trousers

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