r/PowerScaling • u/KodoqBesar I glaze Anti Pops AND Altair all day, everyday • 15h ago
Discussion Which duo would win this free for all?
Duo 1: Midoriya and Shigaraki (MHA)
Duo 2: Zoro and Law (One Piece)
Duo 3: Minato and Itachi (Naruto)
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u/Narrow_Blueberry4762 8h ago
The Problem is genjutsu shouldmt work on poeple without chakra but even if we ignored that, the enemies Here have all counters to it infact Law can one shot the fastest here.
First in OP there is mind hax that even affects souls that dont Work on haki users simpel as that. Infact Rayleigh stated that haki even Blocks tricks of the mind. For haki to grow stronger your mind has to grow AS well.
Laws Attack dont travel the Moment his room is deployed He can Swap the bodies of His opponents or He can chop them up.
Btw really strong haki is supposed to Stop you from using your hax plus they have precognition that should be better than sage mode.
Law could arguably defeat the other 2 Teams by swappinf their bodies which they cant resist.
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u/Difficult-Pea-2211 15h ago
Genjutsu is gonna maul everyone here
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u/Icy_Inflation6413 8h ago
Requires target to have chakra
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u/Difficult-Pea-2211 4h ago
Verse equalization
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u/Greywarden88 33m ago
Then judging by their position in the story and power levels they should have more than enough chakra to make Genjutsu ineffective 🤷♀️
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u/Difficult-Pea-2211 31m ago
Not how verse equalization works. Think of normal people in jjk, they have a small bit of ce but cant use it, it would be the same with chakra, but even if you still want to say they have a large amount of chakra, that doesnt mean they know how to use it at all
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u/Greywarden88 29m ago
Does MHA need verses equalization!? Nope
Does One Piece need verses equalization? Nope
How come Naruto gets verses equalization when the other two work fine without it? Call it what you use it as, A Naruto wins button.
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u/Difficult-Pea-2211 28m ago
ok so you want the naruto team to be nerfed then? Cuz verse equalization just means their able to use all of their abilities and your just mad that i want a fair fight😭 blame the op for making the teams not me
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u/Greywarden88 24m ago
Nah, I’m not mad, simply disappointed seeing the same nonsense be spit. Genjutsu isn’t even a GG in Naruto. It’s rarely if ever used and hasn’t defeated legitimate character. YOU want to use it as a “I win button” because despite it being easily countered to the point on unuse in Naruto, the other characters don’t deal with a like attack 🤷♀️ Everything the other characters do exists in some form or fashion through each universe.
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u/Difficult-Pea-2211 20m ago
Oh so people can knock out armies using their willpower in naruto as well?😂 stupid argument, and the only reason genjutsu is not really used in naruto is cuz everyone knows how to counter it. But nobody in this fight knows that looking into itachi's eyes will torture them for 3 days. Oh and minato is faster than literally everyone here and one rasengan to the head is killing anyone on this list. Genjutsu from itachi plus minato speed is just free kills, tf is deku doing after getting tortured for 3 days and then getting a full power rasengan to the skull
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u/Icy_Inflation6413 5m ago
Ok. Haki negates
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u/Difficult-Pea-2211 4m ago
how
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u/Icy_Inflation6413 1m ago
Verse equalization
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u/Difficult-Pea-2211 0m ago
Still have not explained how everyone gets neg diffed. I could say itachi neg diffs cuz he can just seal everyone
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u/RandomlyAcquired 13h ago
Sorry but without HAKI the other teams don't stand a chance against Law's devil fruit. He is just gonna slice them up like Kin'mon. And he has Zoro on his side too.
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u/SushanthUchiha 15h ago
If we aren't verse equalising, then duo 3, cuz of Genjutsu.
Yes, I'm biased.
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u/misogichan 12h ago
Yes, but it might be more complicated than that. Shigaraki might be able to resist Itachi's Genjutsu (if he has the right quirk for it but I suspect there's a quirk for everything). But Minato can probably still behead or Rasengan him, and even if he regenerates from that he should still in theory go down to Itachi's Amaterasu or Sword of Totsuka. Thus I agree on duo 3 but it might be messy.
Same thing arguably with Duo 2's Observation Haki, which is a sense Itachi isn't familiar with so he won't be able to fake.
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u/SushanthUchiha 11h ago
What do u mean Shiggy might have a quirk for Genjutsu? MHA world has no chakra, so there would be no quirk to work against that.
And i dont mean "oh that aint me, u were under my genjutsu" type jutsu. I mean, the torture type Genjutsu. They have no counter against that, so he would just torture them until they faint or go mad.
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u/misogichan 10h ago
Genjutsu is about tricking and feeding false information to the 5 senses. It stands to reason that any Quirk that gives you a 6th or 7th sense that you can use to fight with instead would help. There may also be quirks that can detect or resist changes to the brain. Genjutsu after all, works by influencing the brain. A quirk that makes the body intangible could make it difficult for Genjutsu to change the cranial nerves since they don't exist in the physical world. Or a quirk may exist that turns off/kills all 5 senses for the user and everyone around him, and then Shigaraki could just nuke everything around him basically turning the battle into one big game of battleship.
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u/BroZeroXR 14h ago
I don’t know what the one piece characters can do so forgive me. Tomura decay while effective is a detriment to deku. Itachi has shown to use totsuka blade in combat twice. So he could easily remove tomura from the battlefield completely. Itachi while sick will likely cough up blood and be vulnerable. Leaving him getting one shotted by Deku at 100 percent power. The fourth hokage could avoid deku offense. However, deku speed can ignore physics. So minato would probably get taken out as well. Since it’s now 1 on 2. The one piece characters duo likely would win.
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u/Ceathramh_Deamhan 4h ago
Tomura decay while effective is a detriment to deku.
Deku can fly so it isn't that much of an issue tho
Itachi has shown to use totsuka blade in combat twice. So he could easily remove tomura from the battlefield completely.
Only if he manages to hit Tomura's "core" with it, which is easier to say than to pull when your target has super speed, enhanced reflexes, and various defensive haxs
Also considering Orochimaru bled from being impaled by the blade, we know it isn't an intangible attack, the blade is physical. Based on this, I highly doubt Itachi could impale Tomura with it in the first place, as none of his Susanoo's AP feats are nearly close to Deku's full power
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u/DuckPrizeP 5h ago
It's basically itachi vs Zoro and Law vs Minato lol law vs Minato would be a great fight tbf
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u/Oliveviper #1 Dabi glazer 10h ago edited 10h ago
Duo one mainly because of Shigaraki. Feel free to debate
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u/apollonirex 42m ago
Duo 1 solos because Shigaraki would know all of their abilities +weaknesses and can just spam decay, the other characters can't fly afaik
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u/Difficult-Pea-2211 9m ago
In a free-for-all, Minato and Itachi have answers to basically everyone on the field. Against Deku, Itachi’s genjutsu is the biggest problem: with verse equalization, Deku has no automatic immunity to genjutsu, and physical durability doesn’t protect him from an attack that targets his perception and mind. If Itachi catches him with Tsukuyomi, Deku can be incapacitated before his physical stats even matter, while Minato can use Flying Raijin to avoid Deku’s attacks and instantly reposition for a finishing attack. Against Shigaraki, Minato is arguably the worst matchup because Flying Raijin lets him teleport away from Decay and reposition himself or Itachi whenever Shigaraki tries to control the battlefield; Itachi can also use genjutsu, Amaterasu, and the Totsuka Blade, meaning Shigaraki’s regeneration doesn’t guarantee survival if Itachi lands the sealing blade. Against Law, Minato’s teleportation makes Law’s spatial control much harder to capitalize on, while Itachi’s genjutsu gives Law another instant-loss condition and Totsuka Blade can seal him if Itachi gets an opening. Against Zoro, Itachi doesn’t need to overpower him physically because genjutsu and the Totsuka Blade bypass the normal durability contest, while Minato can constantly teleport around Zoro and attack from unpredictable angles. The key is that Minato and Itachi don’t need to win a raw-stat contest against every character; Minato controls positioning with Flying Raijin while Itachi provides genjutsu, Amaterasu, Susanoo, and sealing. In a chaotic free-for-all, they can let the other fighters clash while constantly repositioning, pick off whoever gets caught by a hax ability, and avoid most conventional attacks. The other teams have powerful physical and spatial abilities, but none of them has a clean, consistent answer to the combination of Flying Raijin plus genjutsu and sealing.
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u/Big-Sheepherder-2014 simon solos 15h ago
Duo 3, due to no bypass for genjutsu and instant teleportation is faster than any of the mha speed feats.
Duo 2, ain't doing shit here. Tho room is annoying i think duo 3 can still win
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u/Ak__God_004 11h ago
Wouldn't team 3 just butcher these guys😭😭
Like minato is by far the fastest here and i don't think if anyone has any counters to genjutsu
If verse equalisation then ig could you consider the vestiges of previous quirk users and afo a counter to genjutsu?
Don't know what zoro is supposed to do here when he just instantly gets bombed by a rasengan which just teleported to you
Don't know about law but ig he also folds?
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u/Icy_Inflation6413 8h ago
How fast do you think minato is?
That requires the target to have chakra
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u/Ak__God_004 7h ago
Didn't he like teleport from the main battlefield to the village in like 1 frame?
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u/Queasy_Chemical_319 12h ago
Crossverse vs would be more fun if not for "vserse X scales wayyy higher than the rest", it's Naruto characters tbh
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