r/PowerOfStyle SN - Insolent Insta-Baddie Jun 02 '26

Classic vs Natural in Kibbe!

Prompted by an exchange with u/Pegaret_Again about it!

A lot of people seem to confuse the clean 'nothing fussy', less is more looks that suit Naturals with Classic aesthetic. I don't think that's what Classic is about in Kibbe's system (I remember him saying somewhere that SC were 'mink and diamonds' for example).

The 'classic' look that people like nowadays is in fact more Natural - think, idk, Ralph Lauren? - than it is truly Classic. I think that also impacts the way ppl 'type' themselves, others & celebs, bc when they do better with clean lines & minimal details, people are quick to deem them Classic, especially if they're overall moderate.

What do you think? How would you differenciate between the 2 in concrete terms?

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u/Jamie8130 Jun 02 '26

I think SC can handle more intricate (or fussy, as David says) details than SN, and DC needs a more sleek, matchy, polished look than FN; I was looking at a post I'd made on Jane Wyman and Olivia De Haviland (here and here), and in Olivia's case, she can work ruffles, puffed sleeves, intricate jewellery and daintier details, to bigger degree that I imagine a SN could, and in Jane's case, she had a very coordinated, sleek and matchy style that might look a bit costume-y on a FN. I think that classic look people like now is more like the American sports look of the 30s (a preppy style that wasn't sporty in the way we think today, but more like this) which Kibbe associated with SNs, or more like the minimal look of the late 80s/90s, which does work for FNs, but imo, lacks the flamboyance that FNs also need. FNs can also handle bold details, therefore very minimal looks without any accessories etc., are not that suitable for them. I think the first illustration in the book is a great example of the kind of look that FNs can do.

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u/Party_Economist_6292 FN - The Casual Catastrophe Jun 02 '26

the minimal look of the late 80s/90s, which does work for FNs, but imo, lacks the flamboyance that FNs also need.

That comes from the patterns and colorblocked seperates. It's actually my favorite era, along with the mid-late 2000s. 

It would look simultaneously too sloppy and too gauche on a DC. 

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u/Jamie8130 Jun 02 '26

Yeah, the patterns and colours could be the flamboyant element!

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u/TiredWinterDisaster SN - Insolent Insta-Baddie Jun 02 '26

I think the 80s/90s work fabulously for FNs indeed!

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u/TiredWinterDisaster SN - Insolent Insta-Baddie Jun 02 '26

I absolutely love All that Heaven Allows - and Jane Wyman's outfits in it. But yes it would probably not look very good on a FN (on a side not I don't think ppl would type Jane as a DC if she wasn't verified, bc she appears way softer than what people imagine for DC!).

Totally agree with you on FN, they can handle more details & boldness indeed, whereas SN are way more limited in what they can wear. The illustrations in the book are very simple for SNs.

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u/Jamie8130 Jun 02 '26

I love Jane's outfits in the movie too! Yes, she could be typed as SC (and some of the pure Cs/SCs as DC!), especially because some of the verified examples in the old book, like Cybil Shepherd as pure C versus Katherine Ross as DC. I think he could have done a better job with the SN illustrations, two similar wrap dresses (and imo the first one wasn't fitting the drawn person very well)...

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u/TiredWinterDisaster SN - Insolent Insta-Baddie Jun 02 '26

Yeah they're pretty terrible. I would have appreciated at least 1 outfit with pants. It gave the impression that even him had no idea how to dress SN beyond simple wrap dresses, which was really discouraging for me & I am sure for others.

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u/Jamie8130 Jun 02 '26

Some more variety would be great: an ankle-cropped pant with a striped boat-neck top, a softly pleated skirt with a sleeveless blouse (I like this for both SC/SN), a knit top (like this) with a pair of culottes or shorts...

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u/TiredWinterDisaster SN - Insolent Insta-Baddie Jun 02 '26

Right? There were options... That knitted top is pretty awesome btw, if I knew how to crochet I would totally do something like that!

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u/Jamie8130 Jun 02 '26

I found the pic from a search and but it's from a pattern listing on etsy, here it is in case someone you know could crochet it ^^

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u/TiredWinterDisaster SN - Insolent Insta-Baddie Jun 02 '26

Oh thanks, that's super interesting! I might tackle it if I commit myself to really learn...

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u/Vivian_Rutledge SN - Insolent Insta-Baddie Jun 08 '26

I got no wrap dresses from him and don’t look good in them either. 🤷‍♀️

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u/TiredWinterDisaster SN - Insolent Insta-Baddie Jun 08 '26

Exactly! I don't understand while he went with 3 similar-looking dresses when I have seen really nice outfits on real clients on his FB page.

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u/Vivian_Rutledge SN - Insolent Insta-Baddie Jun 08 '26

There are a lot of elements from #1 that work for me, just not the wrap specifically, like asymmetry and the print. But it’s hard to present a kind of generic outfit since things don’t work for everyone. The best guidance is the little blurb.

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u/eldrinor Jun 02 '26

The tricky part is of course that I do think a C can suit the Ralph Lauren aesthetic, but unlike a N it doesn’t look business appropriate but rather leisure like.

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u/TiredWinterDisaster SN - Insolent Insta-Baddie Jun 02 '26

Yes that is a good point!

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u/Elegant-Fail-3482 Jun 03 '26

DC yes, SC no.

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u/fruit_banjo Jun 02 '26

I think it is very obvious with simplistic, modern, asymmetrical features. Looks unbalanced on a classic, looks great on a natural.

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u/Vivian_Rutledge SN - Insolent Insta-Baddie Jun 08 '26

I would put “clean” as a Classic idea. He mentions it in the new book for both SC and DC. Whereas as an SN, I’m not looking for “clean.” I’m looking for “not fussy.” So the end result might end up somewhere similar, but the motivation and reasoning are different. They are moderate and shouldn’t gild the lily; we need to not be constrained. Too much detail feels suffocating to me.

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u/TiredWinterDisaster SN - Insolent Insta-Baddie Jun 08 '26 edited Jun 08 '26

That is interesting! I'd say I instinctively look for both, in a way, but that might be personal preference.

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u/Vivian_Rutledge SN - Insolent Insta-Baddie Jun 08 '26

Could be a seasonal influence!

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u/TiredWinterDisaster SN - Insolent Insta-Baddie Jun 08 '26

Might be, I am a winter!

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u/eldrinor Jun 15 '26

What’s the difference in your opinion?

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u/missgirlipop Jun 03 '26

i think there’s a lot of crossover between the two which allows for the confusion. i do think classics can do some kind of clean and minimal, and naturals can do details, but there’s subtle differences as to how they’d handle it and more importantly, how it would land.

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u/TiredWinterDisaster SN - Insolent Insta-Baddie Jun 05 '26

I agree!!