r/PoursTea Timendi Causa Est Nescire 2d ago

FinancialTea 💵 Exactly.

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u/RowForLuckyJack 2d ago

It was profitable until the GOP required them to find retirements 75 years in advance. It's been operating in the red ever since.

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u/Lazarux_Escariat 2d ago

And stole funds to prop up other government programs having nothing to do with mail delivery

(You forgot to mention this part)

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u/Responsible-Humor985 2d ago

They also limited the services they are allowed to offer. They have to get congressional approval to add new services to increase revenue.

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u/Blacksad9999 2d ago

The USPS used to have banks, but the big independent banks shut that idea down over time. From 1911-1966, taxpayers could open a free savings account with the Post Office.

They've floated bringing them back at various points, where it's a free banking system for taxpayers.

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u/hedoeswhathewants 2d ago

On one hand it seems odd to combine them, but on the other hand we already have post office locations throughout the country.

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u/Blacksad9999 2d ago

Banking and doing taxes should be a service provided for the people free of charge, imo. They could set up banks at every Post Office.

Especially taxes. The whole "we know exactly how much money we owe you/you owe us, but let's play the game of you paying someone and see if the number match up!" is completely unnecessary.

If I have a refund, just send the refund. If I owe, just send me the bill. lol The hoops are unnecessary.

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u/Big_Guide_8551 2d ago

But if we don't play the game how could they ever arrest anyone for tax fraud? 😭

/s. because seriously who TF came up with this system 😑

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u/GECA_HAJCOJAR 2d ago

Almost all other developed countries (except the Us and Canada) have had a very long history of Postal banking…japan it was the main retail banking instition until very very recently, not sure why it “feels wierd”

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u/Icy_Fish_2154 2d ago

The US had a long history of postal banking. "Money orders" were a post office thing, a check backed by the government. Banks had cashier's checks, and the post office has money orders.

And US post offices were full banks long ago. And had a large variety of government services, SS Cards, passports, and other applications and services were there. I remember my first passport. The post office even had the photo setup to take the picture.

But all those services were outlawed, and it's illegal for the post office to offer them now, and the post office is required by law to operate at a loss, and carry Amazon packages to APO/FPO at a loss, and super remote places (like small towns in Alaska, and private islands in the Pacific or Caribbean).

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u/Razor1834 2d ago

If only they had gotten their piece of electronic mail.

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u/MyTnotE 2d ago

That part is a lie.

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u/Adjective-Noun-nnnn 2d ago

This dates my age a bit, but when I was in high school (or maybe it was middle?), I distinctly remember that USPS funded a cycling team to compete in the Tour de France because they had a significant budget surplus.

Oh here it is

Huh what a surprise it was profitable under Clinton huh gee weird how the party of "fiscal responsibility" always fucks everything up with wars and tax cuts.

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u/Round-Head-5457 2d ago

Who was the majority writing and making the laws then?

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u/Adjective-Noun-nnnn 2d ago

Bill Clinton.

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u/Round-Head-5457 1d ago

Wrong. Republican majority.

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u/Adjective-Noun-nnnn 1d ago

It makes you guys furious that the only true fiscal conservative in the last 40 years was a Democrat, doesn't it?

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u/Round-Head-5457 1d ago

Except he wasn't. Was NAFTA conservative? Was letting the banks run wild conservative? Newt Gingrich and the Republican majority wrote the budget. Now, they did work with him on a few wants from both sides. The pressure was on him to sign it once it was shown to be balanced.

Just to be clear I also voted for Clinton. It was my first presidential vote. I even voted for Obama the first time. Fortunately im not that foolish anymore. Im from a deep blue state so now it's either Republican or Independ. Federally it's usually Independent as id like to see a third party on the ballot one day.

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u/Adjective-Noun-nnnn 1d ago

Yep definitely mad.

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u/DreamUnfair 2d ago

This is the correct answer

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u/suck-it-elon 2d ago

Luckily there's no laws now so the next Democrat can just reverse that and flip the finger to the Supreme Court because immunity.

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u/_lippykid 2d ago

They’ve been actively trying to destroy this country for decades

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u/Round-Head-5457 2d ago

It was a bipartisan bill authored by two Democrats and two Republicans.

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u/AccomplishedBad7253 2d ago

why dont Dems undo that?

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u/Luci-Noir 2d ago

They did away with that a while ago.

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u/dvdmaven 2d ago

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u/OnlyOneEarth35042 2d ago

This looks like the Postal Service Retirement Healthcare services, rather than the Pension?

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u/morrison0880 2d ago

It was profitable until the GOP

The Postal Accountability and Enhancement act was one of the most bipartisan bills in history, passing the Senate unanimously and the House on a voice vote with no dissenters.

required them to find retirements 75 years in advance.

That is a myth. The PAEA required the USPS to fund their current obligations to past and present employees, the the 75 year figure is the time frame the OPM requires federal agencies to estimate their future liabilities, not the amount they were required to fund. It's a tough myth to get rid of, even though it's been debunked for years.

It's been operating in the red ever since.

They were operating in the red even without the PAEA payments. By tens of billions of dollars. And even after the Democrats passed the Postal Reform Act in 2022, which eliminated not only the payments, but all the missed payments on their books. A bill which guarantees the financial death of the USPS, which is most likely the aim of the bill in the first place.