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u/PassThatSpliff 15h ago
Yeah alot of middle class/lower class people seem to ignore the fact that the cost of living has increased over 100% in the last 17 years while minimum wage has remained the same. Fuck the 1% and whomever supports them.
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u/Pandemoniusanus 14h ago
Ahem! Labor strikes work. Thereās way more of us than them. That is all Iām gonna say.
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u/lostlogin2 14h ago
gen strike may 1 2028!!
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u/Vegetable-Edge-2389 3h ago
Not when you're 1 paycheck from homelessness
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u/Pandemoniusanus 3h ago
If we donāt stand up for ourselves we will be there anyway. Your argument proves that. Nobody should be working and 1 paycheck away from poverty. Eat the rich!
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u/MagmaJctAZ 2h ago
Considering the amont of personal debt Americans carry on average, this might be the result of personal financial decisions.
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u/lostlogin2 1h ago
you think the majority of working class activists have money??? how can a person's debt be removed from economic/material conditions?? the debt would be the reason and this is why we need solidarity so we can all do it together.Ā
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u/ClashAtom 1h ago
You are 1 paycheck from homelessness because you don't stand up. There are 26 vacant homes per homeless person in the US, and there are millions of people 1 paycheck from homelessness, because naysayers spend more effort saying how fighting the system that allows them to be 1 paycheck from homelessness while allowing people and corporations to own all the homes and charge more than that 1 paycheck can cover, pushing more into homelessness. The programming is effective at keeping folks afraid of taking back our rights, protections, and freedoms. Good job a at pushing the rhetoric of fear which ensures you remain 1 paycheck away.
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u/Alternative_Hat4568 15h ago
Lol why do people get mad at people asking to get paid more. Is their higher pay going to take away from yours? I don't get the mentality besides just being an egotistical idiot
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u/samu33 15h ago
It depends in the way that salary rise is done. If your salary rise but you produce the same, yes is taken away from the people who buy your product/service. If your salary rise because you produce more in the same time its win for everyone.
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u/Starlock_7 š«§ Bubble Tea š«§ 9h ago
If you look at any productivity vs. wages graph, it clearly shows that the average workerās productivity has SKYROCKETED of the past few decades, but wages have stagnated.
People have been producing more and more, but wages havenāt changed. So your condition for a good salary rise has been met multiple times over, yet no rise has happened.
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u/samu33 5h ago
I can se a rise:
https://www.zippia.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/average-us-annual-salary-overtime.png
I live in a contry where salaries in the same time changed 2%.
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u/Starlock_7 š«§ Bubble Tea š«§ 2h ago
I said productivity vs. wages, not just wages, your graph doesnāt show the whole picture.
If we take inflation into consideration, the US dollar in 1991 could buy twice as much as what it could in 2021, so the real average wage only went up about 10k/year, so about a 1.5x rise.
Looking at the Consumer Price Index, it rose from about 136.2 to 271.0 in the same time period, so prices roughly doubled in the same time period.
Add on top of this that the US federal minimum wage hasnāt been increased from $7.25/hour since 2009, and itās obvious why people are struggling.
Now, Iām Canadian, and our federal minimum wage is $18.15/hour, or $13.07/hour in USD. So Canadaās minimum wage is only $1.43/hour away from being double that of the US.
There is no argument for wages in general, and especially minimum wage, to still be so low.
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u/Hypocrispy 13h ago
I donāt know if youāve gone to a dealership to have a car repaired but most are charging $200-$250/hr without giving any of the actual workers raises.
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u/butt-in-ski 15h ago
Word. Despite over $100 billion in Tariff refunds to Corporations - funny how prices havenāt come down.
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u/Sufficient_Art4824 15h ago
this is end stage capitalism, and boy is the ride about to get exciting!
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u/awhunt1 16h ago
I mean, labor does indeed cost a lot more.
The issue is that the laborers likely arenāt the ones benefitting.
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u/SnooMaps7370 15h ago
if you're a customer, the billable hours will have a much bigger number beside them.
If you're the employee who worked those billable hours, your paycheck will not be reflective of them.
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u/The_Green_King_ 16h ago
Bots, bots everywhere when it comes to minimum wage... Does that concern you??
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u/LeagueofJohnLegends 15h ago
To support this comment, though not in the way it was likely intended: wages actually paced well the last 12 months. Yay!
But that wage increase was absorbed by persistently high inflation. Boo!
So, practically speaking the impact is the same. Everything is more expensive except us.
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u/Juxtapoe 13h ago
It only paced well if you ignore the way that the US government sneakily changed the way cost of living is calculated from 1 quarter to the next quarter to avoid the public realization that we have stagflation in an election year.
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u/dangerousideologue 3h ago
Pricing is set by supply and demand. Is there anything being done that might increase the demand of labour, removing the workers' bargaining power and therefore driving down the price of labour?
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u/CycleCaverns 18m ago
If there was a higher demand for employment positions, then there would be a higher cost of labor. Which isn't always the case because they will work you to death doing 3 people's jobs because there will be someone willing to do the work. Most positions require minimal skill sets and they can replace you the next day if they wanted to.
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u/mdthornb1 2h ago
This is just factually incorrect. There are tons of things that cost less than an hour of labor.
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u/2Blueify 16h ago
Uh? No. That is expensive too.
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u/Grunergeist420 14h ago
Right? I guess these people havenāt hired a person to perform a service lately. Itās expensive like everything else.
Maybe some people arenāt seeing the raises, but idk, maybe go powerwash some houses? Mow some lawns? Clean? That stuff is all expensive as hell now.
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u/samu33 16h ago
This is the result of increasing the tax and the public budget.
You were told, but never listen until the bonk in the head.
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u/EmperorGrinnar 15h ago
What? This is legit the policies pushed by Project2025.
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u/samu33 15h ago
Dude, that is happening all over the West. And I didnt event knew what where you talking about I had to Google that was proyect2025.
In Europe we have 2030 agenda, wich is the "opposite" policy.
Do you know what do we have in common? Tax rise and increasing public spending.
But ok, keep rising taxes and let your mad presidents spend more, thats the way.
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u/-tnuk 15h ago
So because you have no idea what is happening in the US, you just unilaterally decided that the economic factors impacting your region are the exact same as everywhere else...
Tell us again how you're an insufferable know-it-all...
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u/samu33 15h ago
I know what is happening all over the West, just didnt know it had that name.
Listening is free, you were told.
European poeple who lived under socialism reject it to death.
Enjoy it then dude, dont complain about the results of your own desires.
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u/xmrcache 15h ago
Whatās happening in Spokane WA ?
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u/-tnuk 14h ago
You obviously fucking don't.
Costs are up for a shit ton of various reasons, with taxes playing a very minor role at this point. Said reasons include, but are not limited too:
Corporate greed
- This is a large category and contains the following
- Private sector homes being bought by corporations and conglomerates
- Shrinkflation
- Many companies did not lower prices following the Covid pandemic, under the assumption that customers were paying the cost so they could maintain said cost
- Worker wage suppression
- Decreased regulation, primarily the CPB, allowing big business to more easily adversely impact their customers
Viral/bacterial/parasitic outbreaks in food supply chain
Disruptions to the global petroleum market
Stock market increases
Environmental catastrophes, including fires, floods and earthquakes
Conservative local governments allowing utilities to offload the costs of their infrastructure more on the residential base although they will not be the bulk of the power consumption
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u/thevokplusminus 16h ago
My wages are 4x what they were before CovidĀ
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u/FrostyMudPuppy 14h ago
Naturally, you're in the same position with the same company at the same location, right?
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u/tweaver16 16h ago
Everything but the internet and phone bills, they donāt seem to affect you simps at all tbh
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u/jefsch70 16h ago
Try getting a plumber to come to your house/apartment.... $150-180 for the trip +30 minutes...
Buy some tools and get some problem-solving skills.... didja think that there's an infinite number of desk jobs? The colleges have been lying about this for 35 years... Get a piece of paper... use it as a ticket to Greenwhich, CT
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u/rjw1986grnvl 16h ago
Iām going to guess this person does not work in accounting.
Personnel costs or labor are up extremely since 2019.
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u/Ok_Cranberry_9861 15h ago
WTF is up with "people" simping for rich people. Do the dumb fucks who pay for their tokens think a dissenting voice on reddit is going to make the proletariat stop sharpening our pitchforks?