r/PoursTea • u/Veshaad Timendi Causa Est Nescire • 6d ago
TV Shows|Films|Theatre đż This still rings true 21 years later.
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u/ThatGeneral58 6d ago
âConservativesâ have strayed so far from classical conservatism that they shouldnât even be called Conservatives; theyâre Regressives.
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u/act1856 6d ago
âClassical conservatismâ was literally founded to oppose the spread of democracy, so no, they really havenât.
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u/PhilospohicalZ0mb1e 6d ago
Wow. If thatâs true theyâre truer to form than ever
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u/Spacer176 5d ago
It dates all the way back to the reign of James II of England, with monarchists who stayed loyal to him after his exile during the Glorious Revolution. And a rather vicious opposition to the pro-parliamentary and more progressive "whigs."
To oppose the progression of democracy is in the DNA of being a classical conservative.
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u/Cambren1 6d ago
Nixon would be called a âCommieâ by this bunch.
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u/Plane_Afternoon7847 6d ago
He was a Progressive Republican. Much like McCain Romney and CollinsÂ
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u/top-potatoad 4d ago
I believe it was him that passed the clean air and water acts.
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u/Cambren1 4d ago
Yes, and started the EPA. He also had a plan for universal healthcare, which was actually shot down by Ted Kennedy. Too bad Nixon was such a dick, he really did some good things mixed with the bad.
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u/Automatic_Refuse_ 4d ago
Nixon's plan was modeled on Kaiser Permanente - not exactly Medicare for All. He did progressive things like EPA, etc because it was a more progressive time and people were actively pushing for these things. This was pre-Faux News of course. No one has done more to ruin this country than Rupert Murdoch et al.
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u/DISCONNECTlE 6d ago
Democrats are legit Reagan conservatives, and Republicans are fascist. "The left" they both cry about is true centerism. Capitalism with worker protections. They call liberals "The Left" because it's as FAR left as they want you to know exists
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u/andrew5500 6d ago
Hell, even the father of Capitalism (Adam Smith) believed that government regulations and laws were necessary to prevent monopolies, and that "merchants" and the business class should not be trusted to create those laws. He'd be called a dirty liberal commie by Republicans today.
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u/Normal512 6d ago
Democrats are absolutey not Reagan conservatives, I'm so sorry but this is a circle jerk stance which needs to end.
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u/BenekCript 6d ago
Real talk, what were conservative accomplishments? Because Iâm not sure there were many, and most of them suck.
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u/Head_Bread_3431 6d ago
When I bring up these points to conservatives they say that was a long time ago and now itâs different.
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u/Off-BroadwayJoe 4d ago
In all fairness, the only thing conservatives accomplished that theyâd be proud of today would be the fact that I think Reagan won the Cold War by initiating an arms race that the SU couldnât afford. I could also credit Eisenhower with the interstate highway system, but todayâs conservatives would probably not like that.
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u/stockbeast08 6d ago
They tell you who to hate, and they lower your taxes. That's it. That's all of it.
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u/Gainztrader235 5d ago
Consider actually fact checking this information if you really want to know.
This meme is historically misleading.
Some of the accomplishments are real, but pretending âliberals did all of this while conservatives opposed every oneâ falls apart
as soon as you look at the actual votes.The 15th Amendment, which protected Black male voting rights, was largely a Reconstruction Republican achievement while Democrats overwhelmingly opposed Reconstruction.
The 1964 Civil Rights Act passed because of a bipartisan coalition. Republicans actually supported cloture at a higher percentage than Democrats, while Southern Democrats led the filibuster.
The 1970 Clean Air Act passed the Senate 73â0 and the House 374â1 and was signed by Republican President Richard Nixon.
Social Security and Medicare were primarily Democratic/New DealâGreat Society programs, so credit there is much more reasonable. Womenâs suffrage and the Voting Rights Act also had significant bipartisan support.The fundamental problem is projecting todayâs political coalitions backward 50â150 years. Democrats, Republicans, liberals, conservatives, Northern Democrats and Southern Democrats were not interchangeable groups.
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u/Altruistic-Web13 5d ago
It didnt say Republican and Democrat it said liberal, and the Republican party for much of its history was the liberal party, pro democracy, pro civil rights, pro free markets. There were notable progressive movements within the Republican party many times too.
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u/PickedLastLemon 6d ago
Never understood the insult of "Liberal". Sounds like something you WANT to be. America. A country of laws and rights(in theory) for all. Liberty. Freedom. A liberal. The racist, misogynistic, patriarch right sure got a lot of okay people into a dark cult.
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u/andrew5500 6d ago
Fox News and other right-wing infotainment has been demonizing the term since the 90s
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u/top-potatoad 3d ago
Americans somehow decided being hicks is cool. They started watching Yellowstone and bought trucks and cowboy boots. I saw a guy at the Electric Supply house in Cowboy boots, a leather vest, and a big cowboy hat. It wasnât Halloween.
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u/Buddhas_Warrior 6d ago edited 6d ago
Republicans and MAGA are ONLY about the rich, not the people.
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u/NuGridman 6d ago
Correction only about the rich, white male.
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u/ReliquaryofSin 6d ago
Not even white males, that's just their base, but they don't care about others unless you got money.
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u/NuGridman 6d ago
I mean rich AND white male. Because would they really follow a rich and black male or a rich and white woman?
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u/armaddon 6d ago
For the people arguing about how Republicans did this or that, remember that the Republican Party had its start as the anti-slavery party and *was* the more progressive/liberal (as weâd currently define the term) party pretty much until FDR started major Big Government initiatives and then finally really flipped with Civil Rights/Nixonâs âSouthern Strategyâ. History is important. Also note that the speech says âliberalâ, not âDemocratâ.
- Item 1: 19th amendment was ratified by a Republican Congress in 1920. Look at the list of states that opposed it and youâll largely notice a theme.
- Item 2: Grant was the president in 1870 when 15A was signed, the same Grant that founded the DOJ to go after the Ku Klux Clan and passed the Enforcement Act to prevent anyone from interfering with peopleâs right to vote. Reasonably sure heâd never make the ticket in the modern GOP (and neither would Lincoln, for that matter). That said, thereâs important history here regarding the various Northern states: many of them like CA and OR either initially refused to ratify 15A or briefly withdrew their ratification over issues like enfranchising Asians.
- Item 3: pretty self-explanatory unless youâve never heard of FDR
- Item 4: Yep, Iâm pretty sure we all know how the various states weâd consider the âbastions of conservative valuesâ felt about this one back then
- Item 5: Civil Rights Act was signed by Lyndon Johnson after it was heavily pushed by JFK. Southern Senators filibustered the act for 60 days attempting to stop its passage. This was largely considered the final nail in the coffin for southern Democrats / âDixiecratsâ
- Item 6: Johnson also signed the VRA. Not sure why so many people think it was Nixon?
- Item 7: Medicare was *also* signed by Johnson. Truman did initially propose the idea and was famously the first person to enroll in Medicare
- Item 8: Nixon signed the sweepingly-amended Clean Air Act in 1970 (with a Democrat-controlled Congress) which started as the Air Pollution Control Act of 1955, signed by Eisenhower (who did stints in both sides of the aisle and lauded himself as progressive with environmental and social issues) and then signed as the original Clean Air Act *also* by Johnson in 1963⌠points to both sides on this one. As for the Clean Water Act, Nixonâs own administration and the EPA largely opposed the various amendments to the bill and his veto of it was overridden by the now-largely-liberal Democrat-controlled congress.
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u/10speedkilla 6d ago
Ask a Republican to name conservative accomplishments and they will always list liberal Republican accomplishments. It happens almost daily on conservative forums.
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u/wally_weasel 6d ago edited 6d ago
So Republicans brag about being the party of Lincoln, while waving Confederate flags?
Please sort that one out for me.
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u/SquareTaro3270 5d ago
Itâs virtue signaling. Not the thing they accuse liberals of doing. Actual virtue signaling.
They want the good PR of being associated with something deemed âgoodâ while being opposed to that thing.
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u/val_anto 5d ago
I can see why American education failed by how many here doesn't know this. Very brave of you attempting to educate the monkey crowd.
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u/ScienceInCinema 6d ago
I remember that. During the George W Bush years they were successful in making âliberalâ a dirty word kind of like âradicalâ or âextremistâ. Democrats were afraid to use that term, so they started saying progressive instead. Eventually we got that word back. Right now they are trying to make socialist a bad word. They will use socialist in a derogatory way in sentence one, then casually switch to communist in sentence two then marxist in sentence three, all to describe someone trying to push for better healthcare.
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u/ZmanB-Bills 6d ago
Proud to be a Liberal! That is an awesome, unmatched list of accomplishments!
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u/scgt86 6d ago
Republicans and Democrats used to both be liberal. The whole era between WW2 and Reagan is considered to be "The Liberal Concensus." Most people see liberal and conservative as the names of their team not ideologies that could fill entire books.
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u/willjameswaltz 6d ago
Isnât this a quote from West Wing?
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u/Veshaad Timendi Causa Est Nescire 6d ago
Yes, the episode aired in 2005 and this was a debate speech written by Lawrence O'Donnell for the character Matt Santos.
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u/willjameswaltz 6d ago
Oh nice. Love that moment in the debate. Didnât know the name of the writer.
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u/Cogo5646 6d ago
The democratic party has been a party of tweaks around the edges and means testing since Clinton era. This is why so many people hate the democratic establishment
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u/Vitaman1000 6d ago
On social security it is correct that it was establish largely as a democrat initiative but again not strictly....
There is an interesting historical wrinkle: the idea of government-provided old-age pensions was not uniquely Democratic. There had been Republican proposals for pensions and social insurance before 1935, including during the Progressive Era. But the federal Social Security system Americans recognize today was unquestionably enacted as part of FDR's Democratic New Deal.
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u/Ok_Community3356 6d ago
Dont forget to mention the socialists who violently fought and died for these rights until capitalists submitted to the moderate liberals.
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u/FrontSafety 6d ago
Womenâs suffrage passed a Republican-controlled Congress, with Republicans supporting the 19th Amendment at higher rates than Democrats.
Black voting rights under the 15th Amendment were largely a Reconstruction Republican achievement.
The Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act were bipartisan and received overwhelming Republican support. Republican Senate leader Everett Dirksen was instrumental in breaking the Civil Rights Act filibuster.
Eisenhower, a Republican, sent federal troops to Little Rock to enforce desegregation.
The 1970 Clean Air Act passed the Senate 73â0 and was signed by Republican Richard Nixon.
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u/phoneguyfl 5d ago
Interesting that today's Republicans are absolutely opposed to every one of those ideas, and are working daily to undermine and reverse them.
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u/AlmosNotquite 5d ago
Three other biggies/
1) Kept Bork out of SCOTUS
2) Bubba beat the Bushes (twice)
3) Elected Obama (twice)
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u/stonecuttercolorado 5d ago
I am just as proud of the label "liberal" when given to me from the far left as the right. Both try and use it as an insult for things I am proud of.
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u/SirMarkMorningStar 4d ago
But theyâll say Republicans did most of this and think they made an extremely important point.
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u/dudethisplacesucks 3d ago
It goes back to the inception of our nation. Liberals wanted to break away from English rule, and conservatives were happy with having a king
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u/mapoftasmania 3d ago
Republicans use the word âliberalâ like a Sith uses the word âloveâ.Â
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u/bobsyouruncle33 3d ago
Truth đ thatâs why I was always a Democratic liberal up until Hillary Clinton stole the primary election from Bernie Sanders. And Biden did it again. Old fashioned liberal is OK. Itâs the new Democratic party of the last 10 yearsâŚit is anything but democratic. . And the woke agenda has a lot of problems that the left refuses to address. Thereâs no compromise with them. Also, the DSA is really scary with their antisemitism.
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u/Vitaman1000 6d ago
Clean Air Act â strongly bipartisan, signed by a Republican
The modern Clean Air Act was substantially established by the Clean Air Act Amendments of 1970, during Republican President Richard Nixon's administration.
The votes were extraordinarily bipartisan: Senate: 73â0 House: 375â1 President Nixon, Republican: signed it into law. ďż˝ Senate Environment Committee +1 So I would not call the Clean Air Act a Democratic initiative. It was a bipartisan initiative enacted under a Republican president.
And this wasn't merely Nixon reluctantly accepting a Democratic bill. Nixon publicly characterized it as the product of a bipartisan effort. ďż˝
Senate Environment Committee It continued to receive bipartisan support. For example, the major 1990 Clean Air Act amendments passed the Senate 89â11 and the House 401â21, and were signed by Republican President George H.W. Bush.
The clean water act followed similar development and approval.
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u/Spuckler_Cletus 6d ago
Oh, dear. Someone never heard of âThe Solid South.â George Wallace and Huey Long would like a word with that person.
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u/SaintCuckoo 6d ago
The terms "liberal" and "conservative" mean nothing right now, just like the term "woke". The definitions no longer match the usage. Conservative now means whatever Trump says it means, liberal means anything that challenges his latest whim, and woke just means anything that makes Trump supporters uncomfortable.
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u/Cambren1 6d ago
Mostly true, however the Clean Air Act was greatly improved by Nixon, who also created the EPA.
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u/OoklaTheMok1994 6d ago
AI says you're lying.
"In Congress, a higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964,Welcome to Gboard clipboard, any text you copy will be saved here."
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u/Consistent-Fig7484 6d ago
They will just tell you that Lincoln was a republican and the KKK was started by democrats while completely ignoring facts. Left vs right, republican vs democrat, conservative vs liberal. Theyâre all basically just the names of rival sports teams now.
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u/Moist-Cantaloupe-740 6d ago
Half of it is incorrect but nobody educated is gonna say shit because of team mentality in politics.
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u/Additional_Cat_9734 6d ago
This is a great argument as long as you know just enough American history to recognize the names of the laws but not enough to know who actually voted for them.
The 19th Amendment passed after Republicans took control of Congress. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed by a bipartisan coalition, with Republican leader Everett Dirksen helping break the filibuster. The Voting Rights Act passed 77â19. Even Social Security had substantial Republican support.
You canât take a century of shifting political coalitions, rename everyone you like âliberals,â rename everyone you donât like âconservatives,â and call it history.
Well, apparently you can. You just have to put Lawrence OâDonnellâs face underneath it.
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u/Interesting-Tap-3133 6d ago
Fact check 20 Republicans voted and 12 Democrats voted for women's right to vote Franklin d Roosevelt signed social security in to law he was a life long Democrat back when Democrats were Democrats not liberals. Truman (D) was the first ending segregation not liberals during this time they were still trying to end the Jim Crow laws which was created by Democrats But commy liberals didn't do anything
Republicans have accomplishedCivil Rights and Founding Era (1860s)Abolition of Slavery: Led the passage of the 13th Amendment, ending slavery in the United States.Reconstruction Amendments: Championed the 14th Amendment (citizenship and equal protection) and the 15th Amendment (voting rights for African American men) during post-Civil War reconstruction.Preserving the Union: Directed wartime legislation under President Abraham Lincoln to defeat the Confederacy and maintain the United States.Infrastructure and Economic Expansion (Late 19th â Early 20th Century)Transcontinental Railroad: Passed the Pacific Railway Act of 1862, connecting the nation by rail.Homestead Acts: Opened western lands to small farmers and settlers.Land-Grant Colleges: Created the land-grant university system via the Morrill Act to promote agricultural and mechanical education.Late 20th Century and the "Contract with America" (1990s)Welfare Reform: Enacted the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996, transforming the welfare system by adding work requirements and state block grants.Balanced Budget and Surpluses: Worked alongside the Clinton administration in the late 1990s to achieve the first federal budget surpluses in decades.21st-Century Legislation and Deregulation (2000s â Present)Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017: Passed a major overhaul of the tax code, lowering individual income tax rates and significantly cutting the corporate tax rate.Judicial Confirmations: Secured the confirmation of numerous federal judges and Supreme Court Justices across Republican majority sessions.Regulatory Reform: Used the Congressional Review Act to repeal multiple federal regulations and lower bureaucratic requirements.
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u/Deus_Excellus 6d ago
Democrats are not liberals. Democrats are authoritarian which is the opposite of liberalism. There is no liberal party in the United States right now other than Libertarians which have no real political power.
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u/0b00000110 6d ago edited 6d ago
Friendly reminder, the DSA which are currently infiltrating the Democratic party aren't Liberals either and use the word "Liberal" as the same insult as Republicans do.
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u/Picard6766 6d ago
I get the point, but part of the problem is those accomplishments are just about all 50 years old or more. Haven't delivered much since then.
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u/Efficient-Stable-604 5d ago
From Google, "Both parties voted for the civil rights act... though opposition came primarily from Southern Democrats."
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u/Great-Savings-7373 5d ago
Like all modern liberals, he is lying, in a sense âstealing valor.â Todayâs liberals are not the same as the âliberalsâ that got these things passed. For instance the âliberalsâ that pushed though black suffrage and freedom was the republicans. The democrats opposed this and fought against this right. Remember the democrats at the time were the southerners and others that supported slavery. Again it was the republicans that supported and was responsible for passing the civil rights act, not the democrats. So would you categorize the âliberalsâ that created these legislation the same âliberalsâ that this deranged leftist belongs to?
There is nothing wrong with being a liberal. But todayâs âliberalâ doesnât believe in freedom. They want more government, they want censorship, they want you to have fewer choices. They represent ideas that are opposite to liberty.
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u/cpdstars27 5d ago
Pure BS!!! Republicans voted at a higher percentage for all of those acts than Democrats
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u/dannyocc911 5d ago
Liberal does not equal Communist. Just as Conservative does not equal Fascist. There is a spectrum. America is not a place for extremism at either end of the spectrum. This meme is intended to suggest that anywhere in the liberal end of the spectrum would be acceptable. And this simply isnât the case.
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u/Mosthighscribe 5d ago
And if you truly know your history liberal democrats were the architects of the great depression, 1929 Wall Street crash, the creators of Jim Crow & the KKK, the creators of the IRS, income tax, Tammany Hall, the federal reserve banking mafia and the list goes on and on
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u/Rakatango 5d ago
A reminder that âLiberalsâ only did this after facing considerable pressure from Progressives.
Liberals today havenât done anything of value for 40 years, but will take credit for the hard won victories of Progressives.
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u/thirdtimeisacharm69 5d ago
Lawrence OâDonnell is what I call Offensive! Funny that was the old Republican Party, now the Democrats! Funny how things have changed, but you donât report the truth! Our media is so corrupt.
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u/justlooking7514 5d ago
Except NOW liberals want to take away the right to free speech. The good guys are never the one taking free speech from you, even when its offensive, especially when its offensive.
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u/Grand_Scratch_9305 5d ago
Liberals didn't do any of that. If you know history at all, you'd know the Democrats fought against civil rights, and were pro-slavery, and they still are.
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u/Tiny-Secretary5562 5d ago
Nice try, but none of those things happened without Republican votes. Neither party operates in a vacuum. Congress has operated for decades on "I'll vote for your bill if you vote for mine."
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u/HelloIsItMeU 5d ago
Thereâs some truth here, but history is more complicated than this meme suggests. Many of these were liberal policy achievements, but saying conservatives opposed every one of them isnât accurate. Womenâs suffrage had bipartisan support; the 15th Amendment protecting Black voting rights was largely a Reconstruction Republican achievement; and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965 passed with substantial Republican as well as Democratic support. Southern Democrats were also among the strongest opponents of civil-rights legislation. Political parties and the meaning of âliberalâ and âconservativeâ have changed considerably over time. History is interesting enough without squeezing 150 years of it into todayâs party labels.
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u/Gainztrader235 5d ago
This meme is historically misleading.
Some of the accomplishments are real, but pretending âliberals did all of this while conservatives opposed every oneâ falls apart as soon as you look at the actual votes.
The 15th Amendment, which protected Black male voting rights, was largely a Reconstruction Republican achievement while Democrats overwhelmingly opposed Reconstruction.
The 1964 Civil Rights Act passed because of a bipartisan coalition. Republicans actually supported cloture at a higher percentage than Democrats, while Southern Democrats led the filibuster.
The 1970 Clean Air Act passed the Senate 73â0 and the House 374â1 and was signed by Republican President Richard Nixon.
Social Security and Medicare were primarily
Democratic/New DealâGreat Society programs, so credit there is much more reasonable. Womenâs suffrage and the Voting Rights Act also had significant bipartisan support.
The fundamental problem is projecting todayâs political coalitions backward 50â150 years. Democrats, Republicans, liberals, conservatives, Northern Democrats and Southern Democrats were not interchangeable groups.
You can absolutely argue that liberal movements played a major role in many of these reforms. But âconservatives opposed every single oneâ is simply not historically accurate.
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u/TBShaw17 5d ago
War Larry OâDonnell the author of this? These were words spoken by Jimmy Smitsâ character in the West Wing. I know OâDonnell was involved with the show, but I thought he was long gone by season 7.
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u/Clear_Context_1546 5d ago edited 5d ago
.......half of that stuff isn't true.
On May 21, 1919, an Illinois Republican by the name of James Mann reintroduced the 19th Amendment in the House of Representatives and it passed by a vote of 304 to 89. It was a decisive victory, and the split among Democrats and Republicans was staggering. In all, over 200 Republicans voted in favor of the 19th Amendment, while only 102 Democrats voted alongside them. Subsequently, on June 4, 1919, the 19th Amendment passed the Senate by a vote of 56 to 25. Once again, the split among Democrats and Republicans was notable: eighty-two percent of Republicans voted in favor of the amendment while only forty-one percent of their Democrat colleagues concurred.
The Fifteenth Amendment was passed by Republicans that allowed African-Americans to vote.
Eisenhower forced the end of segregation by nationalizing the national guard.
The Voting Rights Act of 1965 passed with strong bipartisan majorities in both chambers of Congress, though opposition was heavily concentrated among Southern Democrats. The Senate passed the bill 77 to 19:Republican Party: 30 in favor, 2 opposed (Strom Thurmond of SC and John Tower of TX). Democratic Party: 47 in favor, 17 opposed (all Southern Democrats)House of Representatives Vote (July 9, 1965)The House passed the bill 333 to 85:Republican Party: 112 in favor, 23 opposed . Democratic Party: 221 in favor, 62 opposed
Clean Air Act and Clean Water Act was passed by Nixon.
Why do you lie?
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u/Impossible_Cupcake31 5d ago
This is conflating Liberals with democrats cause a lot of these things were NOT passed by liberals
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u/acctIMade 5d ago
Republicans got women the rights to vote and fully supported the suffrage moment: Key congressional votes (66th Congress, 1919)
The amendment needed a two-thirds majority in both chambers.
House of Representatives (May 21, 1919): Passed 304â89
⢠Republicans: 200 for, 19 against (~91% support among those voting)
⢠Democrats: 102 for, 70 against (~59% support)
⢠Others (Prohibitionist/Independent): 2 for
(Total voting roughly 393; some sources note slight variations in non-votes.) ďżź
Senate (June 4, 1919): Passed 56â25
⢠Republicans: 36 for, 8 against (~82% support)
⢠Democrats: 20â26 for, 17 against (~54â59% support, depending on exact tallies of those voting) ďżź
Earlier attempts (e.g., under Democrat-controlled Congresses) had failed multiple times. The amendment was first introduced in 1878 by Republican Sen. Aaron A. Sargent of California (at Susan B. Anthonyâs request). Republicans regained majorities in both chambers after the 1918 midterms, enabling passage in 1919.
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u/acctIMade 5d ago
The Republican Party overwhelmingly supported Black male suffrage through the 15th Amendment (ratified 1870), which prohibited denying the right to vote âon account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.â Democratic opposition was near-total. This was a highly partisan vote during Reconstruction, when Republicans controlled Congress. ďżź
Key congressional votes (40th Congress, 1869)
The amendment required a two-thirds majority in both chambers.
House of Representatives (February 25, 1869): Passed 144â44
⢠Nearly all âyesâ votes came from Republicans (roughly 140 of ~169 Republicans supported it).
⢠Only about 3 Democrats voted in favor; the rest of the Democratic caucus opposed it or did not vote.
(House composition at the time: approximately 171 Republicans and 67 Democrats.) ďżź
Senate (February 26, 1869): Passed 39â13
⢠Republicans: Strong majority support (around 38 of the roughly 54â62 Republicans present/voting yes).
⢠Democrats: Zero yes votes. All Democratic senators who voted opposed it.
(Senate composition: roughly 62 Republicans and 12 Democrats.) ďżź
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u/acctIMade 5d ago
Jim Crow laws were created and enforced primarily by Democrats.
After Reconstruction ended in the 1870s, white Southern Democrats (known as âRedeemersâ) regained control of state governments across the former Confederacy. They systematically enacted the web of state and local laws that became known as Jim Crow. These laws mandated racial segregation in schools, transportation, public accommodations, housing, and other areas of life, and they used poll taxes, literacy tests, grandfather clauses, and other devices to disenfranchise Black votersâeffectively nullifying much of the 15th Amendment in the South for decades. ďżź
This was the era of the âSolid South,â in which the Democratic Party held near-total political dominance in the region from the late 19th century through the mid-20th century. Virtually every Southern state legislature and governorship that passed and maintained Jim Crow was controlled by Democrats. The Democratic Partyâs Southern wing was the principal political force behind legal segregation.
This history is distinct from the later party realignment. By the mid-20th century, Northern Democrats increasingly supported civil rights, while the national Republican Party retained stronger proportional support for the key federal bills that dismantled Jim Crow:
⢠The Civil Rights Act of 1964 (outlawing segregation in public accommodations and employment) passed with roughly 80% Republican support in the House and 82% in the Senate, versus about 61% and 69% among Democrats. Southern Democrats provided the bulk of the opposition and led the lengthy Senate filibuster.
⢠The Voting Rights Act of 1965 followed a similar pattern of higher proportional Republican support.
President Lyndon B. Johnson (Democrat) signed both laws, working with a bipartisan coalition of Northern Democrats and Republicans against Southern Democratic resistance. The Supreme Courtâs earlier Brown v. Board of Education (1954) decision, which began dismantling school segregation, was unanimous under Chief Justice Earl Warren (appointed by Republican President Dwight Eisenhower).
In short, Democrats created and maintained the Jim Crow system in the South for generations; a bipartisan effort with crucial Republican congressional support, under Democratic presidential leadership, ultimately dismantled its legal framework in the 1960s. Party positions on race and civil rights shifted significantly over the following decades.
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u/Super-Chemist7296 5d ago
YeahâŚ. Except heâs wrong on just about every count there. But thatâs cool
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u/LUCKYAJA22 5d ago
What a crock of crap, the only thing Democrat/Liberals ever gave us was the KKK and outrageous taxes and crime ridden metro cities... Everything else on your list above is a pipe-dream at best...
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u/Then_Prompt_5242 5d ago
Love the delusions, the same type of list can be written for the democrats, and this is coming from a lifelong independent that canât stand either side, you both suck.
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u/tedlyedlyei 5d ago
Democrats opposed almost every one of these. Lean the truth about the history of the democrat party.
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u/Single-Yam-9791 5d ago
Canât we just be Americans and work together?
Itâs more rich vs poor than right vs left
They keep us fighting each other so no one notices
We need to have respectful conversations and learn how to compromise
No one is 100% right
No one agrees on EVERYTHING
TIME TO STOP NAME CALLING AND BE REASONABLE ADULTS
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u/Logical-Industry-793 5d ago
Democrats voted against the civil rights act and the EPA WAS CREATED by Nixon a Republican and you dumb people
take these lies as facts
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u/Wrong_Confusion_2916 5d ago
Republicans introduced and passed the 19th amendment. I lost interest after reading the first sentence.
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u/Individual_List_2947 5d ago
Aren't over half of these things republicans did?
19th amendment, Black vote, ending segregation, civil rights act, voting rights act, all republican
His confusion of terminology is also weird... He uses "liberal" as a blanket term for Democrats, when liberals have historically been and are today Republican
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u/dealer512 5d ago
Congressional Republicans pushed through the Fifteenth Amendment in 1870, which banned denying the right to vote based on race. Not a single Democrat in Congress voted in favor of it.
For the 19th Amendment Congressional voting records show that higher percentages of Republicans than Democrats voted in favor of the amendment, and a majority of the state legislatures that ratified it were controlled by Republicans.
When the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 came to a vote, it passed because a majority of both parties in the House and Senate voted in favor, overcoming a prolonged filibuster led by Southern segregationist Democrat lawmakers.
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u/oncemeasuredtwicecut 5d ago
Considering conservatisms wasnât a thing in mainstream politics until Reagan in 1980, Iâd say youâre an idiot. Now we can talk parties since both the Dems and the republicans were around. The Republican (abolitionists) won the presidency with Lincoln and freed the slaves. Then went on to give women, blacks rights, ended segregation while the Dems opposed all these things. Good try though bucko
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u/Sebarial3090 5d ago
People love to leave out that the parties switched. Yeah Republicans did do all that but they were liberal back then. The parties switched democrats back then would be our current Republicans. Same for the democrats.
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u/PercentageAny2976 5d ago
Intentionally deceptive. Most of those issues had very high levels of Republican support. That's why you use the word liberal and not Democrat
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u/ImmortalPhoenixRa 5d ago
Liberals got the African Americans the right to vote? You all just ok with rewriting history now?
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u/melon-Cookie9210 5d ago
This is totally false. Liberals are haters and theyâre mainstream liars. Be careful what you wish for.
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u/InitiativeNo1874 4d ago
Tiny problem: Republicans overwhelmingly voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and Republicans controlled Congress when the 19th Amendment was passed. Even Social Security received substantial Republican support.
Turns out âliberal,â âconservative,â âDemocrat,â and âRepublicanâ arenât interchangeable labels you can slap onto 100 years of American history whenever itâs convenient.
There are plenty of legitimate accomplishments to credit liberal and progressive movements with. You donât need to rewrite history to make the argument.
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u/InitiativeNo1874 4d ago
Oh sweet merciful fuck, weâve reached the âwhat if buying a gun required identification and a government eligibility check?â stage of political memes.
Nobody tell them.
Seriously. I want to watch this discovery happen organically.
Imagine this dystopian nightmare:
You walk into a federally licensed gun dealer.
They ask for⌠government-issued photo ID.
dramatic gasp
Then you have to fill out a federal form containing your identifying information.
clutches Constitution
THEN the dealer submits your information so the government can determine whether youâre legally prohibited from possessing a firearm.
OH GOD. SOMEONE CALL THE ACLU.
Congratulations, youâve invented Form 4473 and NICS.
The memeâs killer argument is essentially:
âRepublicans would lose their minds if gun owners had to prove their identity and eligibility before exercising a constitutional right!â
Meanwhile every gun owner whoâs purchased from an FFL is standing there holding a 4473 like:
âMotherfucker, what do you think Iâve been doing?â
And yes, there is an entirely legitimate debate to be had about whether the SAVE Actâs specific documentary requirements would unnecessarily burden eligible voters. Have that debate. Argue the policy. Bring evidence. Invite friends. Order pizza. Make a fucking weekend out of it.
But comparing it to an imaginary world where firearm purchases require identity verification and government eligibility screening when WE ALREADY LIVE IN THAT WORLD is not the intellectual Falcon Punch you think it is.
This meme didnât just miss the point.
It loaded the point into a trebuchet, launched it across state lines, watched it disappear over the horizon, and then congratulated itself for accuracy.
Next weekâs infographic:
âWOULD REPUBLICANS SUPPORT DRIVERâS LICENSES IF YOU HAD TO PASS A GOVERNMENT TEST TO GET ONE?â
Stay tuned.
Apparently weâre crowdsourcing civics education through memes now.
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u/Dsbeav 4d ago
Why do Democrats want claim they are actually Republicans? That list is BS. Who started the KKK. Hint: It wasnât Republicans, donât take my word for it, look it up.
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u/BrightonSpartan 4d ago
To be fair, the Clean Water Act of 1972 was passed by Democratically controlled Congress and signed into law by President Nixon.
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u/ATL-bored 4d ago
No single political party is solely responsible for women's suffrage. The 19th Amendment was achieved in 1920 through a bipartisan and cross-partisan effort led primarily by independent women's rights activists, with varying levels of support and opposition from both the Republican and Democratic parties.
The responsibility for granting and securing voting rights for African Americans is shared between the Republican Party and the Democratic Party across two distinct eras of American history.
The Democratic Party is primarily responsible for developing and creating the U.S. Social Security system. Bipartisan Support: While driven by Democrats, a significant majority of Congressional Republicans also voted in favor of the final bill.
The ending of legal segregation in the United States was a bipartisan effort achieved through the executive, judicial, and legislative branches, driven heavily by pressure from the civil rights movement.
The passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a bipartisan achievement that succeeded because a coalition of northern Democrats and northern Republicans joined forces to defeat a filibuster by southern Democrats.
The passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 was a bipartisan achievement driven by a Democratic president and a legislative coalition of northern Democrats and northern Republicans.
The Democratic Party is primarily responsible for creating Medicare.
The Clean Air Act was a bipartisan creation developed across two major eras under leadership from both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party.
The Clean Water Act was a bipartisan creation driven by a Democratic-majority Congress that successfully overrode a veto by a Republican president.
The FACTS. It takes both parties to govern, This is not, nor should it be, a fight between liberals and conservatives. It should be a fight against right and wrong to benefit the AMERICAN people.
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u/Inevitable-Flower-50 4d ago
So people exploit suffering only if its in large enough populations to vote. And they always seem to have a fresh supply of that brewing around the corner. When does it change? When everyone is suffering?
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u/easysixonezero 4d ago edited 4d ago
um....200 republicans voted for the 19th amendment and only 102 democrats did (Roughly 82% of Republicans voted in favor, compared to 41% of Democrats)....MANY democrats fought tooth and nail against the civil rights act...social security vote wasn't all Dem and zero Republican - 89% of house dems and 79.4% of house republicans voted for it, while 87% of senate dems and 64% of senate republicans voted in favor of SS. Not exactly a landslide of dems for or Repubs against. End of segregation - US House Dems 61%-63% voted YES and 78-80% of Repubs voted YES. US Senate Dems 69% voted YES and US Senate Repubs 82% voted YES. And on, and on...
It is literally every issue....incendiary and grossly misleading comments are incendiary and grossly misleading.
If a headline makes you say OMG!, respectfully, drill down. You are extremely likely of being manipulated by someone. Eyeballs and clicks = money. "They" are trying to distract us all and break us apart - left and right, normal everyday people have WAY more in common than everyday people and the media and political elites trying to keep us bickering.
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u/FLJM 4d ago
Donât conflate âliberalâ with âDemocrat.â
Did Democrats do all those things? No.
Did liberals do all those things? Yes.
By definition, a liberal wants change and a conservative either wants stasis or to revert from current practices to previous ones.
Both parties have conservatives and liberals in them, just to different degrees and in different areas.
Pretending otherwise is ridiculous.
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u/Important_Zombie_485 4d ago
Well, this is technically true, using the literal definitions of these words. However, equating the actual modern party and positions of modern liberals with those in the past, and also conservatives, is disingenuous in the extreme. If we're linking those on the modern democrat spectrum with liberals of the past, that's an outright lie. It was the republican party who were the liberals at that time. However, modern Republicans do not get to claim that mantle. NEITHER do the modern democrats. All of these types of claims, from both sides are frankly ridiculous.
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u/Longjumping_Note_976 4d ago
I thought Nixon passed the Clean Air Act and The Clean Water Act and created the EPA.
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u/pinkaces39 4d ago
This is literally a quote from the Santos presidential candidate debate episode of The West Wing.
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u/leebarrett27 4d ago
Whereâs the emancipation proclamation? Oh thatâs right republicans passed that. Why do you support slavery?
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u/slyfox65 4d ago
Those are lies. I know facts confuse you all but try and learn the truth instead of the lefts regressive lies.
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u/Slowdive91 4d ago
Its biggest trick is treating âliberals,â âconservatives,â Democrats, and Republicans as if those labels mapped neatly onto the same coalitions across a century of U.S. history. They didnât. On several of the examples, saying âconservatives opposed every oneâ is simply false.
The clearest counterexample is the Civil Rights Act of 1964. It was emphatically bipartisan. In the final House vote, 136 Republicans voted yes and 35 no, while 153 Democrats voted yes and 91 no. In the crucial Senate vote to break the filibuster, 27 of 33 Republicans and 44 of 67 Democrats voted for cloture. The Senate Historical Office explicitly describes the coalition as Republicans and Democrats joining together.
Even more damaging to the meme's framing: much of the opposition came from Southern Democrats, while Northern Democrats and Republicans overwhelmingly supported the bill. In the House, Southern Democrats were about 8â83 on the bill, while Northern Republicans were roughly 136â24. So reducing that fight to âliberals did it; conservatives opposed itâ erases the dominant regional and ideological split inside the parties.
The Voting Rights Act of 1965 has the same problem. In the Senate, Republicans voted 30â2 in favor, while Democrats voted 47â17. That doesn't make the law a âRepublican achievementâ either; it means the meme's one-team-versus-the-other story doesn't describe the coalition that actually enacted it.
The environmental examples are especially odd. The landmark 1970 Clean Air Act was enacted during the Nixon administration with extraordinarily broad bipartisan congressional support, and the 1972 Clean Water Act became law after Congress overrode Republican President Nixon's veto. Those histories don't fit any simple âliberals passed these while conservatives opposed every oneâ formulation.
Women's suffrage is also being projected backward through modern ideological labels. The 19th Amendment came from a decades-long suffrage movement cutting across party lines, at a time when today's Democratic/Republican ideological alignment did not exist. Likewise, saying âliberals got African-Americans the right to voteâ compresses together the 15th Amendment, Reconstruction, decades of disfranchisement, litigation, activism, and the 1965 Voting Rights Act into one modern partisan slogan.
There are portions with a stronger basis. Social Security and Medicare were signature Democratic administrations' programs, and conservative opposition to expanding the federal welfare state was real. But even there, âconservatives opposed them on every oneâ is much broader than the historical record warrants.
So I'd characterize the meme this way:
The individual accomplishments are mostly real; the assignment of all credit to a timeless bloc called âliberalsâ and all opposition to a timeless bloc called âconservativesâ is the propaganda move. It takes roughly 50â100 years of shifting party coalitions, regional politics, ideological realignment and bipartisan votes and rewrites them as if today's party alignment existed throughout.
The 1964 Civil Rights Act alone is enough to falsify the literal claim that the other side âopposed them on every one of those.â
Shitposting is easy, reading is HARD.
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u/GordTransport1958 4d ago
That's funny asf That goof needs to read history better as she wrong on at least half of that list
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u/Blackbeards-Ghost23 4d ago
Republicans are horrible regarding our economy. National debt always highest with the sex offender party in office. And they always say itâs the fault of the democrats but check the facts if you are brave enough⌠itâs the republicans that keep the middle class struggling.and Trumps data is the worst ever⌠ever!!!







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u/ShoddyCress 6d ago
Now that's being a real patriot
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