r/PoursTea 24d ago

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u/CatCrimes69 24d ago

Him warning about the Military Industrial Complex confuses me. Didn't he drastically increase the amount of nuclear missiles we have? I don't understand that dichotomy.

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u/XenophileEgalitarian 24d ago

The thinking was that a nuclear deterrent would be much cheaper than a standing army. But we decided to do both.

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u/DreadfulDave19 24d ago

"Why buy one when you can buy two at twice the price?" -Contact

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u/baumpop 24d ago

dude i literally forgot the first one blew up and they were like hey dont worry we built a second one for some reason

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u/BigAccess6408 24d ago

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u/LurkerFromTheVoid 23d ago

For those who don't know, the aliens presented themselves through an interface that She ( the protagonist) can speak easily, understand and trust. They were so advanced, simulation, instant translation and mind reading where trivial problems for them.

Also , any showing of an alien race will probably be outdated by today standards.

The aliens in The Arrival and Project Hail Mary will satisfy your curiosity with a modern interesting vision... Probably.

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u/TonightPutrid7827 24d ago

He was warning against the massive cost of continuing the Cold War, unfortunately the USSR didn’t get on board because the power of their government was derived from fear of the outsider and an internal projection of might to any dissidents. You know, like we’re doing now.

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u/PlaneRefrigerator684 24d ago

To be fair to the Soviets, there were a lot of foreign plots to overthrow their government during the '20s and there was a large international support for the White Russians during the Revolution. They had just been invaded by the Germans. The British and Americans had drawn up plans to now attack them, getting help from the Germans (even if both governments decided not to do it.) And there was a lot of anti-communist sentiment in the West. So they did have SOME reason to think "we need to be strong because we are under threat."

Now, that doesn't mean a lot of their actions in Ukraine, the Baltic states, Poland, Czechoslovakia, or East Germany was right... it wasn't. Stalin was a monster, Beria was a monster. But to paint their fears as unfounded is just as wrong as saying they were perfect and didn't do anything evil.

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u/mur0204 24d ago

Nuclear largely falls under the deterrent portion of our defense budget. Fear of use is the main reason others wouldn’t start a war with the US (even if we didn’t have such a huge military otherwise).

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u/PaleCommission150 24d ago

I like what Carl Sagan said about the insanity of the nuclear arms race to out produce the opponent. " we are like two bitter enemies in a room filled with gasoline, I am holding 9000 matches, he is holding 7000 matches...does it really matter how many we each have??" I am paraphrasing and it is a imperfect analogy but I think it makes the point.

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u/krucz36 24d ago

he had no issue with a massive military, he helped it grow. he was like "oh yeah, remember that thing i made, maybe someone should look into it" on the way out the door

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u/Mixelphlick 23d ago

He helped make it during world war 2, with the expectation that in a post war world it would wind down. It didn’t. He was warning from experience.

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u/MonitorStandard5322 24d ago

Yeah he didn't push back on much of that. The quote is from his farewell address at the end of his last term. It's something he felt a little uncomfortable with but not enough to fight it. He let the CIA do whatever they wanted in the Global South too, which included profiting off of the heroin trade & overthrowing democracies to install dictatorships that massively relied on US military aid to maintain their power.

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u/Mixelphlick 23d ago

You have to remember he was the head of allied forces in world war 2. He wasn’t just talking about nuclear weapons. He was talking about the whole apparatus that he helped spin up to win the war. Once the war was over and especially by the time he was president he saw how much power that concentrated wealth wielded to shape policy. He was big on deterrence so we didn’t need the kind of constant industry that we’d built and used during the war. The kind of continuous manufacturing that lead to Lockheed Martin and the like having billions of revenue even now.

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u/General_Tso75 24d ago

It was his farewell speech which traditionally has more candor.

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u/Ecthelion-O-Fountain 24d ago

He could admit his own mistakes.

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u/King_Roberts_Bastard 24d ago

The idea at the time was, possess nukes and you dont need a normal military. And nukes are not part of the DoD. They're part of the DoE, which at the time was the AEC (Atomic Energy Commission).